Roids For Women

[Nelson Montana]

Hello all,
I'm new to the board and thought I'd jump in and introduce myself. (Thanks Val) I've noticed a lot of discussion about AS and wanted to present a few opinions (BTW, I have to get rid of that "amateur bodybuilder" moniker -- don't know where it came from. I've been involved in the field and industry for decades).

My apologies to anyone who already knows this information.

Concerning Winstrol: It does not burn fat. It merely increases muscle with little water retention (due to the fact that it's a progesterone antagonist). Dan Duchaine popularized the notion that winnie tabs were good for women because they're weak -- and pink. As it turns out, Winstrol is notorious for elevating LDL. It's also pretty hard on the liver. (As is anavar, another supposedly benign AS) The belief that Winstrol is weak is also not completely accurate. The dosage is just low, making adequate dosing an expensive choice. The liquid has a very short half-life making every-other-day dosing necessary. Realize, Winny V is a vet product and personally, I wouldn't touch the stuff.

For most women, 50-100mgs of Primo per week will work wonders with relative safety if cycles are kept short. (If it's real, which is often not the case).

For women over 40, I would recommend a dab of AndroGel as replacement therapy. The gel provides a natural surge and dip on a daily basis -- unlike the peak and gradual decline that a shot provides.

Just some thoughts. All comments, questions and criticisms are welcome.

Stay Strong,
Nelson

 

[Robert Jan]

sounds good to me i learned some things.... i think the majority of people who regular this board will either already know or disagree tho... i dont know much about roids

 

[Sassy69]

Welcome Nelson!

Seems like a good summary of the things we already know or are coming to know.

Just wondered for primo -- what do you consider a "short" cycel? 4 weeks? 8 weeks? 12 weeks?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm a believer in short cycles -- 3 weeks. But that's mostly to prevent suppression of the HPTA which isn't a factor with women. Then again, women can experience other negative side effects so it's best to play it safe and see how you react to any exogenous substance.

 

[CAROLINACHICK]

What's your opinion of paper winnie?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Drugs on paper are nothing new, and if the drug is stanozolol, then stanozolol is what you get. (If it's legit). I have no personal experience with it but I can't see how it would be any different than the tabs other than there aren't any binders -- which cause an allergic reaction in about one in every thousand people.

 

[Daeo]

In my experiences with women and AS, anavar is the only drug that I would recommmend on a consistent basis. Sure other drugs are effective and useful. But as my next statement is not meant to insult anyone; most women have the patience of a flood. Wherein is where most problems lie with women. Wanting too much too soon. With anavar the margin of error is less and results are usually very high. Just my .2...

 

[MS]

If the paper winny (or paper whatever) is legit, then it's as good as taking the tabs. Now Daeo, you didn't really think we'd let you away with that. The original poem was:

"Patience is a virtue,
Possess it if you can.
It is seldom found in women,
And never in a man."
-- Richard Posin--

And that's the truth!

"The dosage is
just low, making adequate dosing an expensive choice. The liquid has a very short half-life making every-other-day
dosing necessary. Realize, Winny V is a vet product and personally, I wouldn't touch the stuff. ".................Well for the low doses that most women would take of ORAL winny, it is both very cheap and very easy to divide into 2-3 small daily doses. Also, taking it orally negates any concerns about contaminants from vet or homemade stuff. As long as there is actual winny in the stuff, it will get in and do the job. If you want to inject it then YES, it's a proverbial pain in the butt. Side effects are common, but given the relative ease of obtaining legit winny compared to legit primo or oxandrolone, it still has to be a women's drug to be taken seriously. And I wouldn't exactly say that (legit) primo is a safe drug either, though it's much easier on the liver and triglyceride profile.

But in an ideal world, us women would all have access to legit oxandrolone, and most recreational/amateur BBs would no doubt be happy with the risk to benefit profile of this androgen judging from work done so far in wasting syndromes........

 

[Daeo]

If the paper winny (or paper whatever) is legit, then it's as good as taking the tabs. Now Daeo, you didn't really think we'd let you away with that. The original poem was:

"Patience is a virtue,
Possess it if you can.
It is seldom found in women,
And never in a man."
-- Richard Posin--

And that's the truth!

"The dosage is
just low, making adequate dosing an expensive choice. The liquid has a very short half-life making every-other-day
dosing necessary. Realize, Winny V is a vet product and personally, I wouldn't touch the stuff. ".................Well for the low doses that most women would take of ORAL winny, it is both very cheap and very easy to divide into 2-3 small daily doses. Also, taking it orally negates any concerns about contaminants from vet or homemade stuff. As long as there is actual winny in the stuff, it will get in and do the job. If you want to inject it then YES, it's a proverbial pain in the butt. Side effects are common, but given the relative ease of obtaining legit winny compared to legit primo or oxandrolone, it still has to be a women's drug to be taken seriously. And I wouldn't exactly say that (legit) primo is a safe drug either, though it's much easier on the liver and triglyceride profile.

But in an ideal world, us women would all have access to legit oxandrolone, and most recreational/amateur BBs would no doubt be happy with the risk to benefit profile of this androgen judging from work done so far in wasting syndromes........

My job requires working with up to 100 women daily. I guess I just took an educated guess on the nature of women. I may have just mistaken their eagerness for impatience

In an ideal world there wouldn't be any fakes of winstrol. The scary part is that fake winstrol is usually substituted with either test supension or a much harsher substance(someone I know received an abscess after injecting winstrol v which turned out to be Armor all), both of which don't belong in a womans body, the latter belonging in no living organisms body. So in the end it all comes down to where or who you get your products from. Legit anavar isn't hard to come by. After all, wherever you can get legit winstrol from you can most likely get legit anavar from. And if you have doubts about the legitimacy of your anavar I'd be questioning the purchase of anything else from this person.

All this being said, I fully agree that oral winstrol is the way to go with a female(if winstrol is your drug of choice)...

 

[Hannibal]

The scary part is that fake winstrol is usually substituted with either test supension or a much harsher substance(someone I know received an abscess after injecting winstrol v which turned out to be Armor all), both of which don't belong in a womans body, the latter belonging in no living organisms body.

Ok..it's one thing to scam people out of their money by selling bogus gear. But ARMOR ALL...holy shit??! Talk about having no conscience. That's just scary.

 

[Daeo]

Ok..it's one thing to scam people out of their money by selling bogus gear. But ARMOR ALL...holy shit??! Talk about having no conscience. That's just scary.

Yep. I hardly believed it myself. But the abcess and the way the shit tasted proved our suspicions. After injecting it his arm burned like the fire of hades he claimed. Armor all has almost the same consistency as winstrol(white and milky). It goes without saying that this individual that sold the winstrol isn't doing much selling anymore. In fact he's lucky to be alive...

 

[Hannibal]

It goes without saying that this individual that sold the winstrol isn't doing much selling anymore. In fact he's lucky to be alive...

...VERY

 

[MS]

"My job requires working with up to 100 women daily. I guess I just took an educated guess on the nature of women. I
may have just mistaken their eagerness for impatience "


LOL... I'm guessing from that obeservation that you DON'T work with up to 100 men per day, otherwise you would have noticed that men really DO have even less patience than women!

OK, enough gross generalizations. Armour-all blech. I honestly would never, ever recommend anyone inject any black market substance into themselves or someone they love. Even the most suspiscious of oral preparations is prolly not going to kill you (unless it's tableted anthrax spores or something), but you wanna be more than 100% certain of anything that goes IM/subQ or IV. But I also recognize that people are always going to be drawn to illegal substances whether it's roids, heroin or crack. In the case of injectable AAS, I would chose a guaranteed vet product everytime over something truly black market. At least with the vet stuff you can use a syringe filter to sterilize it. There's no point to sterilizing Armour All!!

 

[Daeo]

"My job requires working with up to 100 women daily. I guess I just took an educated guess on the nature of women. I
may have just mistaken their eagerness for impatience "


LOL... I'm guessing from that obeservation that you DON'T work with up to 100 men per day, otherwise you would have noticed that men really DO have even less patience than women!

OK, enough gross generalizations. Armour-all blech. I honestly would never, ever recommend anyone inject any black market substance into themselves or someone they love. Even the most suspiscious of oral preparations is prolly not going to kill you (unless it's tableted anthrax spores or something), but you wanna be more than 100% certain of anything that goes IM/subQ or IV. But I also recognize that people are always going to be drawn to illegal substances whether it's roids, heroin or crack. In the case of injectable AAS, I would chose a guaranteed vet product everytime over something truly black market. At least with the vet stuff you can use a syringe filter to sterilize it. There's no point to sterilizing Armour All!!

Battle of the sexes on Elite fitness...

Maybe part of the blame should go to the person who didn't do enough research on what he was taking. But that's like blaming plane crash victims for knowing there was a risk of falling out of the sky. I just don't understand how someone can rip someone off and intentionally try to harm someone in the process...

 

[MS]

Chalk would work well without the risk of outright killin' ya. But hey, ripping folks off AND trying to harm them at the same time has been going on for as long as people have been shooting themselves with illegal substances. The stuff that gets laced into cocaine, heroin and even marijuana never ceases to amaze me. Maybe the 'dealer' who put Armour All in a vial thought that it would give the user a good buzz and keep them coming back for more. It's a pretty sick world out there. I wouldn't put it past someone to try and market tabletted Anthrax spores as oral Anavar tabs...............Make money and kill folks at the same time. What could be more fun?

Spatts, I think carbonated skim milk would have a very strong chance of curdling and thus raising strong suspiscions that all was not right.

No point in getting into a battle of the sexes. This is a women's board and at least while we're HERE, we're always right and you guys are always wrong. Now if I ever wander over to the Anabolic discussion board, then I'm fair game.

 

[Daeo]

No point in getting into a battle of the sexes. This is a women's board and at least while we're HERE, we're always right and you guys are always wrong. Now if I ever wander over to the Anabolic discussion board, then I'm fair game.

The world is a frightening place. Only a mentally disturbed person would pass off armour all as winstrol. But this brings light to a subject that shouldn't be ignored. Which is knowing who you buy from and where he gets it. Having a source that has referrences is very important these days...

I was only kidding MS(and I know you're intelligent enough to know that already, this is just a disclaimer of some sort). And come to think of it my girlfriend(Mache)speaks through me at times-uses me as a channel of some sort-so I guess I'm right most of the time on either boards, hehe.