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My friend, THIS is for you:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...nada_us_healthcare_060530/20060530?hub=Canada

Canadians healthier than Americans, study says
Updated Tue. May. 30 2006 11:31 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Canadians are healthier and have better access to health care than U.S. residents. And, according to a new study, Canadians obtain better care for half of what Americans spend on their medical system.

"The data is clear and really irrefutable: Canadians are healthier than Americans and they have better access to medical care," Dr. Steffy Woolhandler of the Harvard Medical School said Tuesday. She added that medical care is easier to access for Canadians.

The study, published in the American Journal of Public Health, was conducted by Harvard Medical School researchers. They also found that:

Canadians were seven per cent more likely to have a regular doctor
Canadians were 19 per cent less likely than Americans to have their health needs go unmet.
Americans were more than twice as likely to forgo needed medicines because of cost.
Discrepancies in health care become even wider when taking into account income, age, sex, race and immigrant status. In those kind of detailed comparisons, Canadians were 33 per cent more likely to have a regular doctor and 27 per cent less likely to have an unmet health need.

Meanwhile, Americans had higher rates of nearly every serious chronic disease, including obesity, diabetes and chronic lung disease, even though U.S. residents were less likely to be smokers.

"We pay almost twice what Canada does for care, more than $6,000 for every American, yet Canadians are healthier, and live two to three years longer," said Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor at Harvard and study co-author.

This first-ever cross-national health survey analyzed data from the Joint Canada/U.S. Survey of Health, with data collected by Statistics Canada and the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics.

It follows a similar study released earlier this month that found white, middle-aged Americans were less healthy than their British counterparts, who spent half as much on health care.

In the latest study, the researchers suggest the biggest barrier to health care in the United States is cost.

More than seven times as many U.S. residents reported going without needed care due to cost, compared to Canadians.

Uninsured U.S. residents were particularly vulnerable, with 30.4 per cent having an unmet health need due to cost, the study reported.

Wait times not a factor in study

CTV's Avis Favaro said the study found Canadians wait, on average, three times more than Americans for medical treatment.

"But when you look at the actual number, it was aa little over three per cent waiting for medical treatment, which is a tiny proportion when you look at the big picture, although doctors and patients might disagree with that," she said.

Lead author Dr. Karen Lasser said that, while Canada gets negative press about long wait times for medical procedures, the health system seems to work better.

"No one ever talks about the fact that low-income and minority patients fare better in Canada," said Lasser, a primary care doctor at Cambridge Health Alliance and an instructor at Harvard Medical School. "Based on our findings, if I had to choose between the two systems for my patients, I would choose the Canadian system hands down."

Dr. Raisa Deber of the University of Toronto said the message of the study is that "the sky is not falling."

"The take-home message is: When you compare Canada to the United States, Canada is spending a lot less money to get better results," said Deber, who specializes in health policy, management and evaluation.

"There are small improvement in places that could be fixed and could be made better. But on average the system is working quite well."

The one problem noted in the study: About 21 per cent of Canadian women were not receiving recommended cervical cancer screening.

"However, death rates from cervical cancer have long been lower in Canada than in the United States, presumably reflecting past screening practices and population risk factors," the study said.

The Joint Canada/U.S. Survey of Health surveyed 3,505 Canadians and 5,183 U.S. residents between November 2002 and March 2003.

The study will be published in the July 2006 issue of the American Journal of Public Health.
 
"better access" well duh. They better since they pay all those taxes.

But it doesn't say better more advanced healthcare. When I have a medical problem - THAT'S what i care about.

I'll agree iwth the healthy party. Americans (esp the hispanics) are fat floated twinkie monsters that roam the lands in search of their next buffet.
 
Razorguns said:
"better access" well duh. They better since they pay all those taxes.

But it doesn't say better more advanced healthcare. When I have a medical problem - THAT'S what i care about.

I'll agree iwth the healthy party. Americans (esp the hispanics) are fat floated twinkie monsters that roam the lands in search of their next buffet.

Yeah, all those taxes. You must have missed the part about Americans paying twice as much per person for inferior care.
 
bump for all the Canadians that have had to listen to razorguns spew endless bullshit on how great US healthcare is and how shitty Canada is.
 
bluepeter said:
on how great US healthcare is and how shitty Canada is.

I never said us healthcare is perfect. But the technologies, medicine, drugs, beds, waiting times, etc here is FAR better than Canadas.

Everything up there is a line-item veto in a budget. A POLITICIAN decides whether or not you get a heart transplant or not. A POLTICIAN decides if you'll wait 20 mins for an ER or 7 hours.

Most hospitals are still in the red up there, laying off people, losing good doctors and using antiquated equipment.

Both systems need work, but when I have a medical condition - QUALITY of healthcare is what's important to me. I want to get better. And that sir, is much better down here if u got insurance. Private Sector > Socialism.

People vote with their feet. Where do you think the uber-rich of Canada go when they have cancer? Why?
 
Razorguns said:
"better access" well duh. They better since they pay all those taxes.

But it doesn't say better more advanced healthcare. When I have a medical problem - THAT'S what i care about.

I'll agree iwth the healthy party. Americans (esp the hispanics) are fat floated twinkie monsters that roam the lands in search of their next buffet.

Not totally agree, more like:

1. Poor rednecks
2. Ghetto blacks
3. Hispandex
 
Razorguns said:
I never said us healthcare is perfect. But the technologies, medicine, drugs, beds, waiting times, etc here is FAR better than Canadas.

Everything up there is a line-item veto in a budget. A POLITICIAN decides whether or not you get a heart transplant or not. A POLTICIAN decides if you'll wait 20 mins for an ER or 7 hours.

Most hospitals are still in the red up there, laying off people, losing good doctors and using antiquated equipment.

Both systems need work, but when I have a medical condition - QUALITY of healthcare is what's important to me. I want to get better. And that sir, is much better down here if u got insurance. Private Sector > Socialism.

People vote with their feet. Where do you think the uber-rich of Canada go when they have cancer? Why?

Could you please read the article? Because you are looking el-stupido repeating your tired support for the American healthcare system when every 'point' you are making is being vigorously denounced by medical professionals on both sides of the border.
 
bluepeter said:
Could you please read the article? Because you are looking el-stupido repeating your tired support for the American healthcare system when every 'point' you are making is being vigorously denounced by medical professionals on both sides of the border.

i did. So you RATHER have fat bloated politician dudes decide how many MRI machines are in your region, and whether you can or cannot get a transplant.

You sure are trusting of your government. Why even think.
 
Razorguns said:
i did. So you RATHER have fat bloated politician dudes decide how many MRI machines are in your region, and whether you can or cannot get a transplant.

You sure are trusting of your government. Why even think.

lol, ok Helen Keller.
 
They're more likely to have a primary doctor? So what? If It takes 5 weeks to get an appointment with them it really doesnt matter how many physicians you have.
 
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