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c3bodybuilding
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I like Robby, but I think he is smoking some crack. Weider is racist? The second Mr. Olympia was a black cuban. Theres been 2 black Mr. Olympia's since. As for no black guys on the cover, Chris Dickerson was the first guy on the cover of Flex! Shawn Ray has a record for the most covers. Ronnie, DJ, Flex, etc are all on the cover monthly. Even most off the current crop off pro's are black. Robby needs to calm down.
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I forgot to add: However, he is dead on about Weider getting rich from these guys. Not only Joe, but all the supplement companies. They drain the life out of these guys, and give them peanuts. $110,00? What a joke, guys in the NFL make a few mill a year.
he has a primitive dicussion board too where he answers Q's
kinda interesting
http://members5.boardhost.com/robbyrobinson/
I agree with the Rascism item btw =)
kinda interesting
http://members5.boardhost.com/robbyrobinson/
I agree with the Rascism item btw =)
c3bodybuilding
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Wow, I like that board. It's great to read posts from the man himself. I'll be there every day now. Thanks Omega. 
c3bodybuilding
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I'm dissapointed in Robby. I just read what he said about Arnold on Drudgereport.com Why is he claiming this now? 30 years later. He used to always say good things about Arnold, now he is talking smack? That bs. He shouldn't have trained with Arnold for the 80 Olympia, or hung out with him, or say nice things about the man up until now, if he was only going to be a backstabber the min. an opportunity for him to get a little spotlight came up.
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C3bodybuilding said:
That's true but you can't compare the two side by side like that. NFL, NBA, MLB are huge marketing machines with who knows how many hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising and merchandising. When we get half a million people each week to attend bodybuilding shows across the country, another few million to watch these shows on TV and have them sponsored by a bunch of giant companies that pay literally millions of dollars to advertise, the guys will make more.
That's not saying that bodybuilders don't deserve to make more, but realistically, they will never, ever, ever be in the same financial league with other pro sports.
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C3bodybuilding said:
funny you say that. i saw him in vegas 2 years ago, the guys eyes were so blood shot he looked like he was on something. he looked very fucked up like a crack head or something. i remember commenting to my brother how he looked fucked up.
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DaddyX said:
just because his eyes are red does not mean he's a crack head,,maybe he was on a pain killer or smoked a splif before he went out on the town, dont talk smack about ppl unless you know the low down on them, besides...body builders are not the best of ppll we definetly are not angels
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liquidmuscle said:
just because his eyes are red does not mean he's a crack head,,maybe he was on a pain killer or smoked a splif before he went out on the town, dont talk smack about ppl unless you know the low down on them, besides...body builders are not the best of ppll we definetly are not angels
i see where you are coming from but believe me, the dude did not look very good. sick or something. i dont want to know the low down on him, he was scary looking. eyes were redder than blood. i know he is old but he looked like he was a walking dead guy.
Robby has always been super dark with the bloodshot eyes. It's just the way he is.
As far as blacks on magazine covers look at it this way. What percentage of Pro BB'ers are black? I don't know but I'd say it's pretty near 50%.What percentage of BB magazine covers have a black BB'er on them? I'd say less than 15%. Something is out of balance, although you can make the argument that 15% is in line with the US population.
I recall someone in the industry (I want to say Bob Kennedy) saying that it was proven that issue sales drop with a black person on the cover. It's been a few years but I distinctly recall that.
Robby just had the aura of being more extreme, like Roy Callender. Chris Dickerson - being light skinned, well spoken and culturally enlightened (he's a trained operatic singer) was easier to accept.
As far as blacks on magazine covers look at it this way. What percentage of Pro BB'ers are black? I don't know but I'd say it's pretty near 50%.What percentage of BB magazine covers have a black BB'er on them? I'd say less than 15%. Something is out of balance, although you can make the argument that 15% is in line with the US population.
I recall someone in the industry (I want to say Bob Kennedy) saying that it was proven that issue sales drop with a black person on the cover. It's been a few years but I distinctly recall that.
Robby just had the aura of being more extreme, like Roy Callender. Chris Dickerson - being light skinned, well spoken and culturally enlightened (he's a trained operatic singer) was easier to accept.
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You're right dial tone. Unfortunately it's tha way it is with society. Cmments have been made that white BB are more marketable. I guess it's consumers voting with their wallets.
Unfortunate for the black men working their ass off in this field. But in general this field is a shitty ride for anyone.
Unfortunate for the black men working their ass off in this field. But in general this field is a shitty ride for anyone.
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Thats where Robby is wrong, he is mistaking racism for a hatred for capitilism. Which is hypocritical because without capitilism he would not have gotten where he is. Unfair is the best way to put it. Just because there is discrimination does not really mean racist. Here is the definition:
2 entries found for racism.
rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1)The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2)Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
#1 is not applicable, but #2 is because discrimination does occur.
2 entries found for racism.
rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1)The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2)Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
#1 is not applicable, but #2 is because discrimination does occur.
c3bodybuilding
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Oh come on guys, the man who holds the record for the most Olympia wins is black. If Joe was so racist, he wouldn't have let his golden boy Arnolds record get smashed.
Fact is, the only main stream bb rag out there is Flex, and black bb's almost always dominate the cover. Shawn Ray holds the record. He has more covers than anyone. I don't want to hear Robert Kennedy crap, that pig rarely has anything but sluts in swimsuits on his cover.
Robby should stop bitching. He has had a great run in this sport, hell he was the first Masters Mr. O. He is just as bad as when Dave Draper was a bit cracked out in the early 80's and blaming Joe for everything. Fact is, the guys that worked hard, and didn't moan made it, and the ones that got washed up bitch. Robby is just a bitter old fart who can only make a living selling Mr. Furley type scarfs.
Fact is, the only main stream bb rag out there is Flex, and black bb's almost always dominate the cover. Shawn Ray holds the record. He has more covers than anyone. I don't want to hear Robert Kennedy crap, that pig rarely has anything but sluts in swimsuits on his cover.
Robby should stop bitching. He has had a great run in this sport, hell he was the first Masters Mr. O. He is just as bad as when Dave Draper was a bit cracked out in the early 80's and blaming Joe for everything. Fact is, the guys that worked hard, and didn't moan made it, and the ones that got washed up bitch. Robby is just a bitter old fart who can only make a living selling Mr. Furley type scarfs.
theoak01
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the pros make plenty for their choice of lifestyle,most only workout,eat,rest and juice . and its not like someone is twisting thier arm to keep being sponsored they canf ind real job like most of the population. fuck Ill make half of that at the peak in the career I will be entering after college and Id kill to get that coin to bodybuild
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The whole sport is a mess, Robby is right about that. I just think he is clueless to turn it into a black and white issue. Contests aren't fair, and people do get cheated, BUT it happens to white bodybuilders, just as often as it happens to black ones. Robby feels cheated out of an O against Frank Zane. Sounds to me like he should call Lou Ferrigno, Mike Mentzer (too late lol), Jay Cutler, Flex Wheeler, Bob Paris, and a hundred other guys, they all share his pain.
As for BB not making money because it's not as big as the nba, nfl, etc. Don't be so easily fooled. All those supplement companies are pulling in big time money. They are draining the life out of these guys. $110,00 for top place is the best they could do? Hhhmm, I wonder how much Muscletech made last year? How about Optimum? etc, etc, etc, etc. Vince had the right idea with the WBF. He was giving the guys $300,000-500,000 a year, and they only had to show up for one contest. It's ashame it folded, by now the guys would be making a few mill a year. Thats where bodybuilding should be.
There is a lot of racism in this world. Bodybuilding has plenty of faults, but racism is not one of them. If anything, it may be one of the few sports where all people are welcome, regardless of color or gender.
As for BB not making money because it's not as big as the nba, nfl, etc. Don't be so easily fooled. All those supplement companies are pulling in big time money. They are draining the life out of these guys. $110,00 for top place is the best they could do? Hhhmm, I wonder how much Muscletech made last year? How about Optimum? etc, etc, etc, etc. Vince had the right idea with the WBF. He was giving the guys $300,000-500,000 a year, and they only had to show up for one contest. It's ashame it folded, by now the guys would be making a few mill a year. Thats where bodybuilding should be.
There is a lot of racism in this world. Bodybuilding has plenty of faults, but racism is not one of them. If anything, it may be one of the few sports where all people are welcome, regardless of color or gender.
c3bodybuilding
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Irish, will your kidneys be shot when your retire from your job? How about your liver? Will steroid abuse have shaved years off your life, just because being a freak is the only way you can make a living at the sport you love?
Who cares if all they have to do is train, eat, and juice. Theres much more to it than that. In a world where guys make millions for throwing around a basketball, baseball or football and take less than half the risk, Bodybuilders should get MORE. The supplement industry is big time money, and they drain the life from these guys. They sponsor many of these shows, they can and should do better.
Who cares if all they have to do is train, eat, and juice. Theres much more to it than that. In a world where guys make millions for throwing around a basketball, baseball or football and take less than half the risk, Bodybuilders should get MORE. The supplement industry is big time money, and they drain the life from these guys. They sponsor many of these shows, they can and should do better.
theoak01
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no they wont but I think a police officer should make more than a bodybuilder,but much like them I made a choice at something I want to do,I would like risking being shot etc. a cop I know here in town is a parapalegic now because he fell 8ft while in a chase and wont walk again or atleast not for a while.
the supp companies can do much better but they need to make money to and If I could be rich by just giving out what these guys will take then why not
the supp companies can do much better but they need to make money to and If I could be rich by just giving out what these guys will take then why not
1) If bodybuilding's participants are a subset of America and America has racism why is it so hard to believe that bodybuilding has racism? or the military or the NFL or whatever other group you want to single out.
2) If Sean Ray is the only example you can name you're only adding to Robby's point. In MD Craig Titus claimed something like 150+ covers. Craig "never won a damn thing" Titus. This is Craig Titus after all so let's say he's really got half that. Besides Sean how many black "also rans" have even 10 covers? I bet Lee Apperson has more covers than Chris Cormier. Most of that is because those guys are undeniably handsome and would sell issues. I'm saying there's room to view it either way.
But your argument seems to suggest "well there's never been any racism at the Oscar's because Halle Berry just got one!", nevermind they've been giving 'em out for 60 years.
We call that a token. I have a picture of me as the only black guy on my high school track team so I know all about tokens.
I'd like to see how many covers Lee Haney had vs Dorian Yates vs Ronnie Coleman just for shits and grins.
2) If Sean Ray is the only example you can name you're only adding to Robby's point. In MD Craig Titus claimed something like 150+ covers. Craig "never won a damn thing" Titus. This is Craig Titus after all so let's say he's really got half that. Besides Sean how many black "also rans" have even 10 covers? I bet Lee Apperson has more covers than Chris Cormier. Most of that is because those guys are undeniably handsome and would sell issues. I'm saying there's room to view it either way.
But your argument seems to suggest "well there's never been any racism at the Oscar's because Halle Berry just got one!", nevermind they've been giving 'em out for 60 years.
We call that a token. I have a picture of me as the only black guy on my high school track team so I know all about tokens.
I'd like to see how many covers Lee Haney had vs Dorian Yates vs Ronnie Coleman just for shits and grins.
Get real.
First of all, Robinson beat Lou Ferrigno for the first Masters O and that probably killed the contest for good. Lou would have been the perfect spokesman for bodybuilding in the "golden years." But the judges thought Robbie was better. Then he comes back with cries of "racisim". Bullshit.
The truth of the matter is, most of these guys are too dumb to turn their short lived celebrity into anything marketable. Arnold did though. You don't hear him bitching that Weider screwed him.
I see this shit all the time, and I've been around for a while. Everybody complains about how big of a piece of the pie the "boss" gets. Well, let me tell you something. It's the bosses pie. He can take as big of a piece as he wants. You don't like it? Don't play.
And as far as the sacrifices the pros make ....bullshit again. It's their choice. If they don't like it, let them go and get a real job. Besides, most BB contests LOSE money.
And another thing. People squawk about how others should be giving out more money. What if you were running the contest and breaking your balls and listening to complaints and barely breaking even? How anxious would you be to dole out more money out of your own pocket?
And finally; I'm a musician and I've worked in situations were the hired band MUST use a black singer. Why? For the same reason a white BB sells more mags. It's what people want to see. I know a lot of white singers who could sing rings around some of these black vocalists and they can't get work. But that's what the people want and that's the way it is. It works both ways. And if people were really interested in irradicating racism, they wouldn't make it an issue for every petty little complaint they have. Robbie is a great bodybuilder. But he's wrong.
First of all, Robinson beat Lou Ferrigno for the first Masters O and that probably killed the contest for good. Lou would have been the perfect spokesman for bodybuilding in the "golden years." But the judges thought Robbie was better. Then he comes back with cries of "racisim". Bullshit.
The truth of the matter is, most of these guys are too dumb to turn their short lived celebrity into anything marketable. Arnold did though. You don't hear him bitching that Weider screwed him.
I see this shit all the time, and I've been around for a while. Everybody complains about how big of a piece of the pie the "boss" gets. Well, let me tell you something. It's the bosses pie. He can take as big of a piece as he wants. You don't like it? Don't play.
And as far as the sacrifices the pros make ....bullshit again. It's their choice. If they don't like it, let them go and get a real job. Besides, most BB contests LOSE money.
And another thing. People squawk about how others should be giving out more money. What if you were running the contest and breaking your balls and listening to complaints and barely breaking even? How anxious would you be to dole out more money out of your own pocket?
And finally; I'm a musician and I've worked in situations were the hired band MUST use a black singer. Why? For the same reason a white BB sells more mags. It's what people want to see. I know a lot of white singers who could sing rings around some of these black vocalists and they can't get work. But that's what the people want and that's the way it is. It works both ways. And if people were really interested in irradicating racism, they wouldn't make it an issue for every petty little complaint they have. Robbie is a great bodybuilder. But he's wrong.
"Sure OptiAs for BB not making money because it's not as big as the nba, nfl, etc. Don't be so easily fooled. All those supplement companies are pulling in big time money. They are draining the life out of these guys. $110,00 for top place is the best they could do? Hhhmm, I wonder how much Muscletech made last year? How about Optimum? etc, etc, etc, etc. Vince had the right idea with the WBF. He was giving the guys $300,000-500,000 a year, and they only had to show up for one contest. It's ashame it folded, by now the guys would be making a few mill a year. Thats where bodybuilding should be"
Optimum, Muscle-Tech, Metrx, etc are big but are they bigger than Nike, Budweiser and Chevrolet? Muscle-Tech couldn't lick Nike's financial nut sack. I see your point but until bodybuilding becomes big enough in the eyes of the general, ticket buying public, there isn't going to be really big money in it. And face it, unless you yourself are a bodybuilder, bodybuilding isn't exactly a spectator sport.
I also don't think risk based income is the way to go either. If that were the case our police departments, fire departments and armed forces would be full of millionaires. I don't think the top pros should starve for their efforts but I'll have to hear a better argument than the risk factor before I vote to make them filthy rich.
Who here doesn't think they should make more than they do? We ALL do.
Optimum, Muscle-Tech, Metrx, etc are big but are they bigger than Nike, Budweiser and Chevrolet? Muscle-Tech couldn't lick Nike's financial nut sack. I see your point but until bodybuilding becomes big enough in the eyes of the general, ticket buying public, there isn't going to be really big money in it. And face it, unless you yourself are a bodybuilder, bodybuilding isn't exactly a spectator sport.
I also don't think risk based income is the way to go either. If that were the case our police departments, fire departments and armed forces would be full of millionaires. I don't think the top pros should starve for their efforts but I'll have to hear a better argument than the risk factor before I vote to make them filthy rich.
Who here doesn't think they should make more than they do? We ALL do.
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Nelson gives a humanistic view of things we look at from a scientific point of view. That cannot be denied, and is an appreciated characteristic that i see from him.
c3bodybuilding
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LMAO@ Tom Prince telling people how Robby was banned from Golds. That was funny as all hell, that along with Robby stealing wallets, I nearly pissed my pants.
It may be funny, but he is being just as bad as Robby for talking that smack.
It may be funny, but he is being just as bad as Robby for talking that smack.
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