reward vs risk

[bigall48197]

What steroid or combination of steroids would yeild more impressive results compared to otc supplements for overall musscle mass increase/fat % loss with the most minimal negative sides as possible.

 

[Advisor_x]

Welcome to the board bro,first of all think that you need to set your goals more precisely, different gear combined with some diet will give you different results, there are a lot of guys that be more than glad to help out, but could you post more info (stats, experience)

 

[bigall48197]

I do not compete just weight lift to look good, I am 5-10 185 lbs appx 12%-14% body fat. I am 27 years old I have used gear before including sus eq var winny deca arimidex proviron nolva I stopped usiing gear about 4 years ago when I had a hernia and lifting the heavy weights was just not possible I think it happenend cause I went up in lifting weight so dramatically, I never told my doctor I was on anything . At my heaviest I was 220 at about 10%. My goal now however is to not get that big I have worked my way back to were my hernia still bothers me when lifting but not nearly as much, I pay very close attention to it. Once you get one you are more likely to get one again. So I am looking for something that would be potent enough to outperform regular supplements as far as musscle mass maybe 10-15 lbs but I don't want or need alot of sides to go with it. I liked sus when I did it but I think It was a one time deal for me. I have tried taking arimidex by it self just to cut up a little works ok but I have to keep an eye on my bloodpressure.

 

[BOOEY]

You could run sust alone for 10 weeks 500mg/week, .5mg adex/day. Make sure you look into proper post-cycle therapy as well

 

[tzan]

If your not looking to get "huge" and don't want to deal with many sides, then I would look into bulking up naturally for a while(maybe gain another 10lbs so your up to around 200lbs), then run a cutting cycle with something light like anavar or primo that will help maintain your size and strength and at the same time cut you up more.

 

[Advisor_x]

I'll go with primobolan, not much sides.........can say much about Oxandrolone never use it on any of my cycles.....

 

[bigall48197]

If your not looking to get "huge" and don't want to deal with many sides, then I would look into bulking up naturally for a while(maybe gain another 10lbs so your up to around 200lbs), then run a cutting cycle with something light like anavar or primo that will help maintain your size and strength and at the same time cut you up more.

I like the sound of that aproach how long of cutting cycle do think i should be on at the minium given that anavar tends to not even show much in the way of results till say a week to two weeks from originally starting to take it. and then when cycling off the cutting phase and back to the bulking phase do you think I should wait a few weeks while on clomid hor hpta levels to return?

 

[tzan]

I like the sound of that aproach how long of cutting cycle do think i should be on at the minium given that anavar tends to not even show much in the way of results till say a week to two weeks from originally starting to take it. and then when cycling off the cutting phase and back to the bulking phase do you think I should wait a few weeks while on clomid hor hpta levels to return?

Increase your cals for the next few months so you gain a few extra lbs, then I would drop the cals to more of a cutting diet and run something like:

eq wks 1-12
var wks 10-15
or
primo wks 1-10
var wks 8-13

 

[tzan]

When I say bump up the cals for the next few months, I mean do it with clean cals. Since your going to be cutting after you gain a few lbs, it doesn't make sense if all your extra lbs gained are from fat by eating junk foods.

 

[Dial_tone]

I would echo the primobolan/anavar stack for minimizing side effects, although it will also minimize your wallet. I woud do those two with a moderate dose of Test and GH all the time if I had the funds for such.

 

[bigall48197]

Yeah can't afford gh. So you think a 13-15 week cutting period is the way to go. Never gone that long before on a cycle. In the past i have done from beginning to end(not including post therapy)6-8 week cycles. As you can tell I tend to play more on the careful side of things.

 

[tzan]

Yeah can't afford gh. So you think a 13-15 week cutting period is the way to go. Never gone that long before on a cycle. In the past i have done from beginning to end(not including post therapy)6-8 week cycles. As you can tell I tend to play more on the careful side of things.

I don't think you need to worry as long as your using those two compounds. Buy some tylers liver detox for the vars.

 

[Bigdogmikey]

I don't think you need to worry as long as your using those two compounds. Buy some tylers liver detox for the vars.

Var is not liver toxic, its given to women and children, they've even done studies where they used var in people with liver problems.

I was on var for 10 weeks at 75mg a day and my liver values were not elevated

 

[muscleup]

personally I would use a lower dose of test{@300mgs per week} with an anti-e such as Aromasin...Cheap and very effective.