Review my cycle please

[Foxboro]

23 years old
Done 2 cycles already
First tren cycle
85kg
Training for 5 years or so
Diet and workouts are good
Low bf
Ill probably start on a low dose of tren first couple of weeks to see how I react. Thoughts on the cycle?

1-10 Test prop 75 ed
1-8 Tren ace 75 ed
1-10 Aromasin 12.5 eod
1-10 N2Gaurd 7 caps a day
1-8 Caber .5mg e3d
5-10 Anavar 60 ed first 4 weeks then last 2 weeks 80ed
1-10 HCG 500ius a week, then
500ius for 10 days up until 4 days before PCT
2 days after last pin start PCT:

11-14 Post Cycle/Unleashed
11-14 Clomid 50/50/50/50
11-14 Aromasin 25/25/25/25

 

[dylangemelli]

23 years old
Done 2 cycles already
First tren cycle
85kg
Training for 5 years or so
Diet and workouts are good
Low bf
Ill probably start on a low dose of tren first couple of weeks to see how I react. Thoughts on the cycle?

1-10 Test prop 75 ed
1-8 Tren ace 75 ed
1-10 Aromasin 12.5 eod
1-10 N2Gaurd 7 caps a day
1-8 Caber .5mg e3d
5-10 Anavar 60 ed first 4 weeks then last 2 weeks 80ed
1-10 HCG 500ius a week, then
500ius for 10 days up until 4 days before PCT
2 days after last pin start PCT:

11-14 Post Cycle/Unleashed
11-14 Clomid 50/50/50/50
11-14 Aromasin 25/25/25/25

bro, 75 ED of tren on your first tren cycle is way too much... most guys will start at 50-75 EOD... if your going to pin ED then start with 50... Your running hcg WAY too long... I would run hcgenerate ES week 5-8... then start hcg week 9 at 500 ius week then week 10 blast it at 1000 ius week...

pct 11-14

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com
unleahsed/post cycle combo ntbm.com
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

Phytoserms and HCGenerate or D-Spark can be used in place of the Unleashed/post cycle combo if they are out of stock



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[Foxboro]

bro, 75 ED of tren on your first tren cycle is way too much... most guys will start at 50-75 EOD... if your going to pin ED then start with 50... Your running hcg WAY too long... I would run hcgenerate ES week 5-8... then start hcg week 9 at 500 ius week then week 10 blast it at 1000 ius week...

pct 11-14

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com
unleahsed/post cycle combo ntbm.com
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

Phytoserms and HCGenerate or D-Spark can be used in place of the Unleashed/post cycle combo if they are out of stock



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Ok thanks, ill lower the dose of the tren, just out of interest, what's wrong with running hcg that long?
And only a couple months ago you were saying in nearly every thread that nolva is shit, never use nolva. You even made a thread saying everyone should flush their nolva down the toilet lol. Why have you completely changed your mind about it and started to recommend nolva for pct again?

 

[dylangemelli]

Ok thanks, ill lower the dose of the tren, just out of interest, what's wrong with running hcg that long?
And only a couple months ago you were saying in nearly every thread that nolva is shit, never use nolva. You even made a thread saying everyone should flush their nolva down the toilet lol. Why have you completely changed your mind about it and started to recommend nolva for pct again?

In regards to nolva, please read this... http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...rrors-thought-nolvadex-tamoxifen-1247173.html

The study of Leydig cell desensitation is prevalent all over the internet... You will find arguments for it and against it but that is not the only thing to consider with long term hcg use.
Continued use of HCG will desensitize the leydig cells to LH, meaning once you stop using the HCG as an artificial LH, you will crash bad. The natural LH production once restored by using nolva or clomid, may not be as effective as it once was.

HCG can cause an increase in estrogen. Estrogen is elevated by two ways from HCG use. Primarily from the sharp rise in testosterone, which allows more testosterone to aromatize to estrogen. Secondly HCG can cause a small amount of estrogen to be produced which is not from the result of aromatizing, and this is the reason that a combination of an anti aromatize such as liquidex/arimidex/letrozole and a estrogen receptor blocker such as nolvaare ideally used. The nolvamay also offer some additional benefit to help avoid a negative estrogen feedback to the HPTA during HCG therapy, which would otherwise slightly lessen the effectiveness of the therapy.

 

[ultimate100]

Well, Dylan said it all bro.

 

[Foxboro]

In regards to nolva, please read this... http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...rrors-thought-nolvadex-tamoxifen-1247173.html

The study of Leydig cell desensitation is prevalent all over the internet... You will find arguments for it and against it but that is not the only thing to consider with long term hcg use.
Continued use of HCG will desensitize the leydig cells to LH, meaning once you stop using the HCG as an artificial LH, you will crash bad. The natural LH production once restored by using nolva or clomid, may not be as effective as it once was.

HCG can cause an increase in estrogen. Estrogen is elevated by two ways from HCG use. Primarily from the sharp rise in testosterone, which allows more testosterone to aromatize to estrogen. Secondly HCG can cause a small amount of estrogen to be produced which is not from the result of aromatizing, and this is the reason that a combination of an anti aromatize such as liquidex/arimidex/letrozole and a estrogen receptor blocker such as nolvaare ideally used. The nolvamay also offer some additional benefit to help avoid a negative estrogen feedback to the HPTA during HCG therapy, which would otherwise slightly lessen the effectiveness of the therapy.

Thanks for that. Ill make those couple of changes, so it's ok to use nolva for pct with a tren cycle?

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks for that. Ill make those couple of changes, so it's ok to use nolva for pct with a tren cycle?

According to some it is... I would be a little hesitant on that bro but thats your call... It definitely is with most though

 

[Foxboro]

According to some it is... I would be a little hesitant on that bro but thats your call... It definitely is with most though

Yeah I've always thought you couldn't run nolva with 19nors. Could I use aromasin at 25/25/25/12.5 to replace the nolva? Ill read up a bit more tonight.

 

[dylangemelli]

Yeah I've always thought you couldn't run nolva with 19nors. Could I use aromasin at 25/25/25/12.5 to replace the nolva? Ill read up a bit more tonight.

absolutely you can run aromasin in pct...

 

[joeblow12345]

23 years old
Done 2 cycles already
First tren cycle
85kg
Training for 5 years or so
Diet and workouts are good
Low bf
Ill probably start on a low dose of tren first couple of weeks to see how I react. Thoughts on the cycle?

1-10 Test prop 75 ed
1-8 Tren ace 75 ed
1-10 Aromasin 12.5 eod
1-10 N2Gaurd 7 caps a day
1-8 Caber .5mg e3d
5-10 Anavar 60 ed first 4 weeks then last 2 weeks 80ed
1-10 HCG 500ius a week, then
500ius for 10 days up until 4 days before PCT
2 days after last pin start PCT:

11-14 Post Cycle/Unleashed
11-14 Clomid 50/50/50/50
11-14 Aromasin 25/25/25/25

Here's what id do

1-10 prop 50 mg 3xs week
1-10 tren ace 50 mg day
6-12 var 60-80 day
6-12 n2guard
1-12 aromasin as needed
6-9 hcgenerate es
9-12 hcg 500 ius eod

12-16 Pct- up to you, you've done a couple already so you should have a good idea of what works for you. Just understand that tren will take some time to bounce back from so be patient. I definitely recommend running some test boosters for a month or two after pct to give you a boost while your body bounces back.

 

[Foxboro]

Here's what id do

1-10 prop 50 mg 3xs week
1-10 tren ace 50 mg day
6-12 var 60-80 day
6-12 n2guard
1-12 aromasin as needed
6-9 hcgenerate es
9-12 hcg 500 ius eod

12-16 Pct- up to you, you've done a couple already so you should have a good idea of what works for you. Just understand that tren will take some time to bounce back from so be patient. I definitely recommend running some test boosters for a month or two after pct to give you a boost while your body bounces back.

Thanks, yep ill run a couple of test boosters after pct. So your thinking just 2 weeks of hcg instead of hitting pct straight away.
And 150mg of test p is a fairly low dose. I know I would rather the tren hit the receptors as test and tren compete for the same receptors, couldn't I at least run 300-350 of test?

 

[joeblow12345]

Thanks, yep ill run a couple of test boosters after pct. So your thinking just 2 weeks of hcg instead of hitting pct straight away.
And 150mg of test p is a fairly low dose. I know I would rather the tren hit the receptors as test and tren compete for the same receptors, couldn't I at least run 300-350 of test?

That's 3 weeks of hcg I recommended there after the hcgenerate. The 2 weeks of just the oral and hcg will allow the injectables to clear out of your system. I prefer this over just jumping straight into pct with high levels. For the test, trust me bro 150 is plenty. I only run 250 mg of test with 800 mg of tren and that's as high as I will go. All the excess test you add in will just raise estrogen significantly and increase the chances of sides like Ed and high bp.

 

[Foxboro]

Ok thanks guys