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Research study!

Dear Bodybuilders/steroid users:

I am a student at The College of Brown University. I am conducting research for a research paper on the role steroids play in men and masculinities studies, an area of groundbreaking research that is different from feminist studies. The goal of the research will be to better understand the intersection of masculine personnas with the use of steroids, particularly exogenous testosterone. I have no bias going into this study and have no problem with individuals who use AAS, as I do not judge. My questions are based off of preliminary research from my own personal knowledge of endocrinology as well as the interviews with endocrinologists, who are considered the leading experts in their fields—physicians who have more than 10 years of formal education training past college much in the endocrine system.

I would like to have as many people reply as possible, the stipulations being those who are male, currently or prior CHRONIC users of steroids, particularly pure testosterone (although other precursor steroids are fine as well). I would prefer to have individuals who are younger; however, older individuals will work too. You may respond to all or any of the questions.

You can respond to this survey through one of two ways. You may email anecdotal responses to an email address that I answer: [email protected] or alternatively, you may respond to the questions I will post on this thread. I'd prefer you to respond to me through email, particularly to keep your identity anonymous; however, public posting is fine too.

1.) In what ways does taking steroids increase your 'sense' of being a 'man'?

2.) Along those lines, do you feel especially more virile just after having given yourself an injection of T cyp or applied a T gel? In other words, do you feel a psychological high after using the steroid in the sense that you feel you are on your way to a better body?

3.) What got you started taking steroids, how long have you taken them, and how long do you plan to continue using?

4.) What do you define as 'masculine' in terms of male bodies, and do you believe that taking steroids helps you achieve the male adonis so to speak? How do you feel about men who don't take steroids?

5.) Do you take steroids because you feel pressure from society to be 'more of a man'? Or do you take steroids for other reasons, such as the need to become more bulked for competitions?

6.) Although many individuals take steroids solely for bodybuilding purposes, others take the drugs to enchance their masculinity in very tangible ways. Endocrinologists feel this is dangerous. During this process, side effects can take their toll over a period of years, particularly since there have been no longitudinal studies which have shown that increasing exogenous T levels beyond what is normal is safe. On one website someone mentioned that Arnold who used AAS for years has had no health problems. However, what is interesting is that the oldest users of roids are only now approaching their 60s—an age too young to judge whether insidious diseases like neoplasia will ensue. Other studies have shown exogenous supraphysiologic doses of hGH do increase the risk for neoplasia, at least in some regard. A recent meta-analysis has suggested this. Despite the various possibilities of increased risk for neoplasia, metabolic changes, and CVD, does the idea of being more masculine or at least more "built" trump these risks?

7.) From what I can tell, obtaining hGH and pure testosterone is extremely easy in the United States. That said, aren't costs prohibitive, since gel forms of testosterone can run more than $100 monthly? Also, growth hormone can be extremely expensive. How much do you spend on these drugs, and how do you afford them? Do you buy brand names like humatrope (which is thousands per year) or brand T gels like androgel?

8.) Many individuals who take steroids continue to attempt to monitor their health through diagnostic testing. How do you get tested periodically (let's say every 3 months) for cholesterol, HDL, LDL, T, bio T, LH, FSH, PRL, T3, T4, TSH, IGF1? In other words: why would a doctor "monitor" you if you are on an illegal substance? Do you have home labs in which you run serum hormonal tests? Or alternatively, are many of you physicians and or endocrinologists who can legally order these tests yourself? I know for a fact that physicians are particularly hesitant to test your blood frequently without a diagnosis which would necessitate this. Without an indication medically, insurance companies will not reimburse the hundreds of dollars per year in testing. Are these costs paid out of pocket (yet even then I would think physicians would be hesitant to test on a regular basis)?

10.) After taking steroids do you feel more inclined to 'check out' other male bodies? Do you find yourself particularly cognizant of the male body (I do not mean to suggest you are any more inclined to engage in homosexual activity)?

11.) The use of exogenous T obviously shuts down gonadotropin production. As a result, many men who take steroids attempt to take hCG (clomid) to halt this process. Why do you think clinical endocrinologists, experts in their fields, do not treat male patients on HRT with hCG+testosterone? Many suggest that the concomittant use of hCG with testosterone can accelerate testicular atrophy by over-working the testes.

12.) By shutting down the gonadotropin production, typically men will find a decrease in testicular volume (sometimes even in the face of use with hCG). Does decreased testicular volume frighten you? Do you find it paradoxical that something that 'increases' your masculinity concomittantly shrinks your testicles?

13.) Do you ever worry about fertility issues after taking steroids? Do you associate high fertility potential (as measured by semen analysis, positive fructose, etc) as an indicator manliness? In other words, is it true that men with truly 'bigger balls' are the 'bigger men'? Would you rather have small testes and big muscles or vice versa?

14.) Do you feel in control of your body when taking steroids? How does taking steroids relate to the idea of controlling bodies?

15.) Do you ever fear death?

16.) Do you consider your knowledge of hormones to be on-par with experts in endocrinology and metabolism?

Given the time frame of this paper, I would like to get as many responses as soon as possible. Your anonymity will be protected, and I am not with any sort of agency. Once again, you may respond to any or all the questions so this won't be cumbersome. Thank you for your time!

-Matthew Kerry
 
Waaaaaaaay too much reading there for me, I'm not the one in college, I ain't readin' all that. Sorry bro.
 
1) It's more of a science project to me (Dr. Frankenstienish). I think about it as if I am working on my body rather than working on my car, another stereotypical "manly" hobby.

2) Of course, to take steroids, you are on the road to a "better" body in some people's views.

3) Curiousity after learning a great deal about the proper use of the substances led me along to start using.

4) I don't feel by taking steroids has caused me to acheive the male adonis, hate to sound cliche, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't feel that males who don't use steroids are inferior in any way, natural and "chemically enhanced" are just two different types of lifestyles a person may choose to live, feel free to do what you want.

5) Personally, I take steroids for "fun." Comparable to a recreational drug in my eyes. I love seeing what my body is capable of doing and how far I can/will push it, within reason of course.

6) I weighed the risks and awards and it came down to that I'd rather use steroids than always wonder what if...?

7) Rather not say :)

8) I get tested on a regular basis to ensure good health.

9) (you fucked upon numbering)

10) No, not really, I feel that I get "checked out" more than anything :)

11) I use HCG and numerous anti-estrogens to bring bring back the size of my testicles or to prevent shrinkage all together. (HCG and Clomid are different)

12) It's just a side-effect, nothing else to say.

13) I'd rather have big balls and big muscles, which I have accomplished.

14) I do enjoy having sovernty over my own body.

15) No, we all die sooner or later, live it up while you can.

16) No, not at all, I hope to be someday though.
 
Thanks for replying. You mention that it is a science project to you. What aspect of controlling bodies do you find interesting and or fun? Do you feel that steroid use is an art or science? Do you have an interest in the pure sciences? Also, in regards to question 8, you mention that you get tested regularly. Who tests you and how often does this occur?



Null said:
1) It's more of a science project to me (Dr. Frankenstienish). I think about it as if I am working on my body rather than working on my car, another stereotypical "manly" hobby.

2) Of course, to take steroids, you are on the road to a "better" body in some people's views.

3) Curiousity after learning a great deal about the proper use of the substances led me along to start using.

4) I don't feel by taking steroids has caused me to acheive the male adonis, hate to sound cliche, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't feel that males who don't use steroids are inferior in any way, natural and "chemically enhanced" are just two different types of lifestyles a person may choose to live, feel free to do what you want.

5) Personally, I take steroids for "fun." Comparable to a recreational drug in my eyes. I love seeing what my body is capable of doing and how far I can/will push it, within reason of course.

6) I weighed the risks and awards and it came down to that I'd rather use steroids than always wonder what if...?

7) Rather not say :)

8) I get tested on a regular basis to ensure good health.

9) (you fucked upon numbering)

10) No, not really, I feel that I get "checked out" more than anything :)

11) I use HCG and numerous anti-estrogens to bring bring back the size of my testicles or to prevent shrinkage all together. (HCG and Clomid are different)

12) It's just a side-effect, nothing else to say.

13) I'd rather have big balls and big muscles, which I have accomplished.

14) I do enjoy having sovernty over my own body.

15) No, we all die sooner or later, live it up while you can.

16) No, not at all, I hope to be someday though.
 
1. It doesn't have anything to do with being a man. I feel better as a person. The benefits of being strong and fit are what I do it for. As long as it's done correctly, you won't harm yourself. Just like skydiving, hazardous job, etc.

2. I wouldn't say virile, but I'm not a big Test user. Which there are a bunch of us that prefer other gear of test. I do feel excitement and anticipation.

3. I've been working out for 12-13 yrs and really haven't seen the results I would like. Especially in the last 4-5 years since I've been getting older. 30 now. I use moderate doses to make nice moderate gains, but gains much larger than w/o gear.

4. Is a silly question to me. I don't feel like I'm striving for an Adonis figure. It makes no difference if people use or don't.

5. I enjoy the feeling of making strength gains, being confident and proud of my appearance. I work a physical job and it helps in that role. I don't think I have the genetics to ever compete, not that I'm close to competition physique right now. But, no plans to do so in the future.

6. As long as your careful, which most of us are, side effects are not a major concern. It's the oddball first timer that doesn't do research that ends up jacking themselves up.

7. Out of pocket.

8. $100/month isn't bad and is far from prohibitive. That was one night at the bars in my younger years.

10. No, not really. If I see someone that's put on some good size, I'll complement them to make them feel good. That's about it.

11. I use nolva and trib and sometimes clomid. Clomid in moderation, I have yet to hear of an overworked set of balls because of clomid usage.

12. not concerned.
13. too weird of question to answer

14. Of course I do. I assume you are eluding to aggression. Not an issue for me.

15. Nope.

16. Not even close.

O.K. a recommendation for you after taking this questionare. Make it smaller. If I wasn't so bored. I would have never finished it. That's why your not getting many responses. Plus, it's kind of jacked up to come on to a board like this an expect anyone to warm up to a research study.
 
your project may simply lend fuel to a social sterotype. of course, i'm sure your prof wouldn't approve the topic until it was sufficiently narrow. i would be happier if people weren't so quick to associate steroid users with being obsessed with their masculinity. why does it have to be about controlling things, or how much of a man i feel like? i know, it is hard to think outside the box. but the topic of your project asserts a connection before you have even begun. perhaps fullfillment to you means writing a top-notch paper, acing orgo (if you haven't already), and matriculating at bms. i hate to sound like such a liberal, but really, at least in this case, to each his own. we all weigh the pros and cons in everything we do, and we all search for contentment by different means. i assure you, for me anyway, it has nothing to do with wanting to become more 'manly.' if i were on a deserted island with no one else around, and from which i knew i would never escape, i would still workout, even if i had to lift lava rocks and coconut branches.
 
I am bored, I will fill out your survey. I agree with Ulter, if you plan on making a survey that holds any ground, you can set it up much better than making a post like this. THis post will be on the second page in a day im sure. Anywhoo .. I will try to shed some light for you. See me below - Red.

Dear Bodybuilders/steroid users:
1.) In what ways does taking steroids increase your 'sense' of being a 'man'?

It dosent really increase my 'sense' of being a 'man'. I always feel like a man (until I get gyno someday, lol). It just makes me feel more like a man, with a slight edge over other men.

2.) Along those lines, do you feel especially more virile just after having given yourself an injection of T cyp or applied a T gel? In other words, do you feel a psychological high after using the steroid in the sense that you feel you are on your way to a better body?

I sometimes feel a bit like a junkie when shooting up. I am not a big fan of test either. The one steroid where I feel any bit of a psychological high is from dianabol. This is partly because the mass and strength gains are so dramatic, but mostly becuase of the positive nitrogen balance it creates (much more than any other steroid) which has a very positive effect on well being. I feel like a million bucks when taking dbol.

3.) What got you started taking steroids, how long have you taken them, and how long do you plan to continue using?

I started too young, lets just say that, lol. I plan on taking them until I reach my ideal physique, which might not be to far away for me. But ... I think that I will want to take them more when I am older and they will be more beneficial to me. Im sure that having some test pumping through your body would feel pretty good at 50 years old though.

4.) What do you define as 'masculine' in terms of male bodies, and do you believe that taking steroids helps you achieve the male adonis so to speak? How do you feel about men who don't take steroids?

?? I think that a dood with a bit of a v-taper and who looks somewhat "fit" and musclular is how I define a masculine male body. Thin, or fat, long and slender, with no shoulders, seems not so masculin to me.

5.) Do you take steroids because you feel pressure from society to be 'more of a man'? Or do you take steroids for other reasons, such as the need to become more bulked for competitions?

I dont feel pressure from anyone to take steroids, accept from alltraps and biceps101 to try anadrol, lol. I dont compete either, I take them as a personal challenge to myself, to build my physique the best that I can. I have always liked to challenge myself, and push through any barriers, and try to achieve the unachievable. I always want to set goals, ... and reach them. This goes for anything I do in life. Many of my fitness goals would take years to reach without the advantage of hormones.

6.) Although many individuals take steroids solely for bodybuilding purposes, others take the drugs to enchance their masculinity in very tangible ways. Endocrinologists feel this is dangerous. During this process, side effects can take their toll over a period of years, particularly since there have been no longitudinal studies which have shown that increasing exogenous T levels beyond what is normal is safe. On one website someone mentioned that Arnold who used AAS for years has had no health problems. However, what is interesting is that the oldest users of roids are only now approaching their 60s—an age too young to judge whether insidious diseases like neoplasia will ensue. Other studies have shown exogenous supraphysiologic doses of hGH do increase the risk for neoplasia, at least in some regard. A recent meta-analysis has suggested this. Despite the various possibilities of increased risk for neoplasia, metabolic changes, and CVD, does the idea of being more masculine or at least more "built" trump these risks?

I think that you answered this one yourself. No one knows what the long term risks are of extended aas usage. It is a risk we have all decided to take. We just have to rely on ourselves to educate ourselves the best we can, and use steroids resposibly. Keeping up on the latest research is a huge plus, and boards like this are a great resource, and I am sure that they have saved thousands of people from having some serious problems with aas.

7.) From what I can tell, obtaining hGH and pure testosterone is extremely easy in the United States. That said, aren't costs prohibitive, since gel forms of testosterone can run more than $100 monthly? Also, growth hormone can be extremely expensive. How much do you spend on these drugs, and how do you afford them? Do you buy brand names like humatrope (which is thousands per year) or brand T gels like androgel?

Dont expect to get prices thrown at you. Its against board rules. I will tell you this, prices are not as high as you would expect, (unless of course you use a lot of growth h.), and the black market has become very competitive. So much that there are MANY users who use steroids made in underground labs. Some of these labs make very good quality prods, and VERY cheap prices. I prefer to spend a bit of extra coin on human pharm grade prods. You wont find a lot of non-hrt folks here using T-gels. lol. I afford them out of my own pocket. How you may spend money at the bar, or on beer for example, I choose to put the money into my fitness supplements. You probably dont realise that most BB;ers live a healthier lifestyle than most people, a lot of other expenses that a lot of non-users have are wiped for a bb'er. Like mentioned earlier, in my younger years, I would be at the bar about 3-4 days per week. Usually spending between 50-100 bux each night. If you dont stay on all year, and you dont compete, most BBers here spend much more on food. I would be scared to see my grocery bill for a year. It would be much more than my juicing bill. lol.


8.) Many individuals who take steroids continue to attempt to monitor their health through diagnostic testing. How do you get tested periodically (let's say every 3 months) for cholesterol, HDL, LDL, T, bio T, LH, FSH, PRL, T3, T4, TSH, IGF1? In other words: why would a doctor "monitor" you if you are on an illegal substance? Do you have home labs in which you run serum hormonal tests? Or alternatively, are many of you physicians and or endocrinologists who can legally order these tests yourself? I know for a fact that physicians are particularly hesitant to test your blood frequently without a diagnosis which would necessitate this. Without an indication medically, insurance companies will not reimburse the hundreds of dollars per year in testing. Are these costs paid out of pocket (yet even then I would think physicians would be hesitant to test on a regular basis)?

I am guilty, and even embarrassed to admitt that I have not got blood work done while cycling. In fact, I have only been to a doctor about 3 times in the last 6 years. Once for an STD, once when I broke my arm and dislocated my shoulder, and once for swimmers ear. Nothing gear related. The biggest reason for this, is because I dont have a family doctor. There are currently no doctors in my city right now accepting new patients. I am working on this every week. There is a doctor that I am on a waiting list for who I really want to see, he specialises in endocrinology as well. I am just hoping that he is going to be accomodating to my gear usage... if I ever get in. If nothing works out for me, I am going to get blood work done through a clinic. I am in Canada. I judge most of my recovery and sides on how I feel. Testicular size, mood, and libido have been my main indicators, and I have grown to listen and trust them quite well. Getting frequent blood work done is a top priority of mine right now.


9. You probably wouldnt have forgot number 9 if you ever did a cycle, and werent so feminine! lol. joking of couse.

10.) After taking steroids do you feel more inclined to 'check out' other male bodies? Do you find yourself particularly cognizant of the male body (I do not mean to suggest you are any more inclined to engage in homosexual activity)?

OK .. for the record, I am not gay, but I will admitt that I really do check out other doods builds now. I always like to see a person with a great physique. Mostly because I KNOW .. the hardwork that they have put in to achieve it. I also find myself always wondering who juices or not. I will see a great physique, and think to myself .. he had to have ran a few cycles to look like that. But you will never really know unless you ask him. After juicing for a while, and knowing many bros who do juice ... it gets easier to spot the enhanced physiques.

11.) The use of exogenous T obviously shuts down gonadotropin production. As a result, many men who take steroids attempt to take hCG (clomid) to halt this process. Why do you think clinical endocrinologists, experts in their fields, do not treat male patients on HRT with hCG+testosterone? Many suggest that the concomittant use of hCG with testosterone can accelerate testicular atrophy by over-working the testes.

You obviously have not fully explored the use of these drugs. I wouldnt expect endocrinologists to treat HRT patients with HCG. HCG (different from clomid), acts independently of HPTA suppression and independent of the meds from the AAS cycle and is used to imitate LH which is suppressed, to restore testicular mass as fast as possible. My understanding is that people on HRT cannot recover, they usually have a failure of the testes or failure of the pituitary, which is why the require HRT for the rest of their life. I dont think that anyone ever stated that HCG is used on HRT patients, so I dont know why you would bring that up. And .. It will not over stimulate the testes if used correctly and responsiby, nor will the LH receptor actually become desensitized to LH. So ya .. the problems that you are suggesting from HCG are when people use it incorrectly or irresponsibly. Other than that, it is a MUST for a steroid user looking to have a proper recovery.


12.) By shutting down the gonadotropin production, typically men will find a decrease in testicular volume (sometimes even in the face of use with hCG). Does decreased testicular volume frighten you? Do you find it paradoxical that something that 'increases' your masculinity concomittantly shrinks your testicles?

No not really, because I understand what is going on. I understand that that is what is "supposed" to happen. If I were a dumass newbie and had no idea aobut that, and noticed my nuts really starting to shrivel .. then ya, I would be a little freaked out. Most of us are aware that this is a common side, and know how to restore our testicular mass. My testes, have never shrunk at all. Thats not to say that I have never been shut down. I think that its a poor indicator thats all.


13.) Do you ever worry about fertility issues after taking steroids? Do you associate high fertility potential (as measured by semen analysis, positive fructose, etc) as an indicator manliness? In other words, is it true that men with truly 'bigger balls' are the 'bigger men'? Would you rather have small testes and big muscles or vice versa?

I would rather have small testes, but big muscles, and a big cock! To tell you the truth, I could care less about my nutsack, as long as it is working correctly. They get in the way more than anything for me. I would feel slightly like less of a man, if i couldnt get my girl pregnant and she wanted me to. I dont feel like I abuse steroids enough to have this worry though. I would feel like less of a man, if I couldnt achieve an erection more than anything.


14.) Do you feel in control of your body when taking steroids? How does taking steroids relate to the idea of controlling bodies?

Yes I do. I feel more in control when I am in great shape. Healthy body = healthy mind. You probably wont agree with this, and you really wont understand because you have never used ... but a lot of the time when I juice, I actually feel really healthy! Usually eating good, training hard, getting lots of rest, I feel healthy both physically and mentally. Everything just seems to come together. This is just me though. A good friend of mine was taking tren, and felt like he was injecting poison and dying.


15.) Do you ever fear death?

No. Not in the least. There are a few dead people who I am looking forward to seeing, lol. I dont believe you should live your life worrying about this. I want to live life to the fullest before taking the ol "dirt nap". When I am dead, i want to look back on my life, and see waaaay more .. "I wish I should'nt have's, ... than ... "I wish I should have's"


16.) Do you consider your knowledge of hormones to be on-par with experts in endocrinology and metabolism?

No. But I do feel very confident in my knowledge for someone who hasnt studied in this field. There are many doctors and health professionals though who are absolute idiots, and completely ignorant when it comes to this subject. The best was the doctor who i went to about my STD. She asked me out of the blue how I got so big. I told her creatine. Then she went on to tell me how I shouldnt take creatine, because it was so dangerous, and because many companies lace it with steroids, and that there is no way for them to control it. My God ... I just stared at her in shock...

-Matthew Kerry

There you have it Matthew. Most of the people out there, dont know to much about responsible steroid usage. Once you do your research, and understand what works well for your body, and as long as you dont abuse them, you can really reap the benefits of cycling with steroids.

Most people serious about their training are actually pretty smart, healthy, and successfull people, who understand what they are doing. Much different in the traditional sense than "drug users".

Mavy
 
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