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Request for Critique of Beginner Cycle

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PlatinumLex

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What's up. I'm new to the forum - and the use of performance enhancing steroids.

I've done some research, talked to some people, and decided what I wanted to do.

I've been taking finaplix converted from a TH Belt.
It's Trenbolone -
I'm sure you all know more about it than me.
I've been on it for about 1 month and I really notice results in strength and some difference in muscle size.

I wanted to add some other things and try a real cycle. I'm more concerned cutting than gaining muscle.

I attained Stanabol BD 50 mg tabs, Clen .04,
T3 50 mcg, Nolvadex 20mg,
and more trenbolone.

My plan is to take
1 stanabol 50 mg tab,
4 Clen .04,
and 1 T3 50 mcg tab
every day.
I'm continuing with the finaplix/trenbolone as well.

Does this look like a wise cycle? Any thoughts?

What side affects should I expect?

Will it affect my sex drive?

Should I take the nolvadex during this cycle,
or wait til after it?

Should I take more of the stanabol - maybe 100 mg?

Should I take more clen?

Should I take more T3?

Should I add anything else?

How long should I run this cycle? I was thinking 6-8 weeks.
I'm on day 4 of it now.

I know this is a long thread with alot of questions. I figured this is the place to ask them. Any responses are greatly appreciated.

Thanks
 
stats?
age?
lifting experience?

have you tried adjusting your diet any to help shed the body fat? if not, i would try to do this first
 
Stats -

6' - 270 lbs (up 20 lbs in 2 months!)
30 yrs old

I've been lifting weights since middle school. I was actually a personal trainer for a few years from age 24 to 27. Ran alot for a while - I've run 5 marathons. I've been on a weight lifting roller coaster for about 4 years. like 6 months on - 6 months off.

I eat very well. no sat fats. Lots of eggs and fish. muscle milk. No soda. I was on a bit of a drinking binge for a while, but im over it as of about 5 months ago.

Still too fat - never tried steroids.
 
WOW! Your post is so crazy it almost seems like a troll. First tren is not a beginner drug. You never state how much you are taking. You also say you are too fat. So I am assuming that at 270 you are very plump indeed. I think you should get off the drugs all together. Tren alone for that long without test is going to fuck up yer sex life in a major way. You need to shed some fat first. You can get t-rex from AF it is a great product.


Please take your time and do some research first. AAS can be very good and fun...but used with out knowing what you are doing is serious russian roulette. There is no quick fix...which i can tell is what you want. Dedication, focus, and knowledge will get you where you want to be.

There are a ton of knowledgable guys here who would like to help you out. Welcome to the board!!
 
There IS a picture of me on my profile.
Its from 3 months ago, so I weighed 250 lbs.
I'm not a TOTAL fat-ass.
I'd just like to trim down more than bulk up.
 
And finally in doses of 50-100 mg daily, trenbolone acetate can be used just fine by itself and quite favorably. In fact for people starting out, not too concerned with the side-effects and looking solely for a quality increase in lean muscle, small doses of fina (50mg/day injectable) would be very suitable.

-Big Cat @ Body Building.com

I'd like advice from professionals, please, not amateurs
 
PlatinumLex said:
And finally in doses of 50-100 mg daily, trenbolone acetate can be used just fine by itself and quite favorably. In fact for people starting out, not too concerned with the side-effects and looking solely for a quality increase in lean muscle, small doses of fina (50mg/day injectable) would be very suitable.

-Big Cat @ Body Building.com

I'd like advice from professionals, please, not amateurs
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Im in NO way a pro but that cycle.... sucks.

Diet down, you do NOT need drugs to lose weight when you weigh 270.
 
I don't mind if anyone thinks this cycle "Sucks".

Can someone knowledgable please try to answer some or all of my specific questions I originally asked? It would be greatly appreciated.
Any intelligent and suggestive commentary is also appreciated.

I heard this is where knowledgable people post.

Looking at my profile pic will also give you an idea of what I'm working with and trying to achieve.

Thank you
 
i dont understand why everyone says u dont need to do steroids, dont do em to the newbies. lol everyone was a newbie at one time and got on a cycle eventually....if its bad for him to get on a cycle to lose weight than y r UUU on steroids haha
 
well it gives me an idea what you're working with, but not what you're trying to achieve. beginning of your post says you've been on for a month now, end of your post says you are on day 4 of your cycle... dude, it doesn't even look like you work out. get your diet in check, and start actually going to the gym, after you've been doing that for a while, you will have the body you are probably trying to get. steroids are not a shortcut, or a magic option... they are to get you where you cant get naturally, and you are a long way from hitting your natural genetic limit !!
 
I will answer your questions. I have done a fuckload of gas and I look like it. Former usada/wada drug tested athlete represented our country in 2 different sports.

FINA is not a beginner drug. I do not give a shit what big cat says.

If you do fina alone you will have serious problems with getting it up. This is why people run testosterone with it

You are a large dude. Winny @ 50 mg a day is the most i'd do if I were you. It can really dry out your joints. Since you are carrying so much weight your knees are going to be hurting (every 1lb of body weight puts 5# of pressure on yer knees). This drug is also heptoxic so you will want to take the proper precautionay measures. Glucosamine will also help with joints

T3 is serious business. You can really fuck up yer thyroid if you do not know what you are doing. I have done this drug and dont particularly care for it.

Never done clen
 
i would advise u not to start the t3 at 50 mcgs.. start around 12.5- 25 for 4-5 days then work up to 50, andthen maybe up to 75, then step down the doses slowly.
 
Does this look like a wise cycle? NO Any thoughts? You should stop taking all AAS
What side affects should I expect? No natural test production

Will it affect my sex drive? Yes

Should I take the nolvadex during this cycle, It will not help at all during the cycleor wait til after it? You are going to need to do some studying. You should know the answer to this already!

Should I take more of the stanabol - maybe 100 mg? Don't take it!

Should I take more clen? No clen

Should I take more T3? No T3

Should I add anything else? Yes, see below

How long should I run this cycle? I was thinking 6-8 weeks.
I'm on day 4 of it now. Don't use AAS

I hope you don't think I am bashing you hear. I just see red flags all over the place. It is pretty obvious you didn't do research before you did this cycle. If you did you would not be using tren. You would also know what ancillaries to have on hand and why.
I would stop all AAS use. All your gains/losses from AAS are directly derived from you Diet.
Do some research on the board and you will find all the answers you need. If someone recomended all that stuff to you that is another story. You need to stop listening to that person. They do not know what they are doing.
 
BTW. I am in my 30's also. There are serious enough health concerns when you take all the proper precautions. It is alarming when I see that you have not taken them!
You posted for a good reason. You want to do things right. Listen to what the guys say. We are looking out for your best interest!
 
slatl's advice is dead on.

You should have never started without knowing what you were getting into and preparing for it.

By preperation I mean - diet, training, gear, PCT, ancillaries, blood work.

Just remember that you are fucking with your bodies chemisty and possible altering it's natural production. Some of this can be permanent and can lead to permanent damage so should not be taken lightly.
 
I agree that you should loose some weight and also that what you have there is no beginner cycle...
 
I feel like those of you with the biggest replies aren’t reading my questions.

IF YOURE NOT GOING TO READ WHAT I WRITE, THEN DONT REPLY TO MY THREAD.

To everyone:

Thank you for your help, I know you're trying.

I have researched these products and I know what they do. I know I'm messing with my hormones and I am trying to be careful.
 
Brandon:

I gave my stats and you disappeared. That’s fine, I needed to post them anyway (even though no one bothered to read them, apparently)
 
Axe:
You’ve actually been the most help. I was under the impression that tren was diminishing my sex drive. I can handle that for a couple of months. I didn’t want to lead the question – I’m NOT looking for someone to just agree with me.

As quoted from “Big Cat” on bodybuilding.com, I understand that tren IS in fact good for those who are just starting out. If you think otherwise, that’s fine. I’m gonna trust “Big Cat”, the guy who writes about EVERY STEROID ON THE MARKET for BODY BUILDING.COM (it’s a good reference).
Also, I’ve been doing it for about 2 months now and I’ve seen great results, my whole physique is changing and I am losing body fat – which is my goal

I also read 50mg stanabol/day is plenty, someone said I should be taking more and I wanted a second opinion. Thank you for that.
I did NOT know the winny would dry out my joints, but I’ve been taking glucosamine and chondroiten sulfate anyway – just because I figured my muscles would be getting stronger faster than my joints. Also, there’s the whole “Golgi tendon organ” thing – I’m sure you all know what that is. Thanks again for the info.

I understand why you would think I’m a big lard-ass because I weigh 270 – that is why I put a pic on my profile. I am overweight, but I am an otherwise large framed dude. I DO LIFT WEIGHTS REGULARLY - 5 times a week. I am focused and dedicated to getting my body fat down and increasing my overall strength and health. My bench is at 365 and I train very intensely to achieve my goal. I am turning to steroids for additional gain and overall success.
 
IVTITAN:

Please don’t bother responding to my thread anymore. I’m sure you know something about something, but your responses were negative and you didn’t gather the information I provided to give an educated response. I wrote that I had done a tren cycle for a month and now I’ve been on this new cycle for 4 days. Also, I described my diet in my stats, which you obviously didn’t read. I am genetically predisposed to being a large body with a low metabolic rate – I’ve been fighting it all my life without the use of any steroids. I’ve run 5 marathons and I hit my genetic limit aerobically. Now I’m trying to hit it anaerobically. I have gathered a lot of information – I’m looking for more, you gave me none.
 
“Lupercal cats”:

“you do NOT need drugs to lose weight when you weigh 270.”
- Lupercal cats

Are you kidding me? That’s borderline retarded. Of course drugs can help you lose weight – hence a multi-billion dollar industry. Why do you think they made Anna Nicole get fat then thin again? As for steroids helping burn fat, I’ve read in multiple sources, including in these forums, that Tren, Winny, Clen, and T3 ALL help burn fat and increase metabolism. Also, I’ve seen it in myself over the last few months.
 
KJM94:
You are the bomb.
I’ll just restate what you said.

“i dont understand why everyone says u dont need to do steroids, dont do em to the newbies. lol everyone was a newbie at one time and got on a cycle eventually....if its bad for him to get on a cycle to lose weight than y r UUU on steroids haha”
-KJM94
 
SLATL:

Gee, Should I stop working out also? You’re awfully quick to tell me to stop.

I’m not trying to bash you either. I have the nolvadex on hand - I knew to do that. I should expect no natural test production? Isn’t that what the nolvadex is for? Doesn’t that happen imminently by putting synthetic test in your body? If I’m wrong, educate me – I’m willing to learn. That is why I posted. Also, you give me answers, but don’t explain them. What’s the point in that? I guess it WAS pretty dumb to ask if I should be taking nolvadex during this cycle. I’m just paranoid about the whole “Gynocomastia” thing. I was trying to think of all the questions I had. I read that winny can act as an anti-E and it threw me off a bit.
 
Everyone:

In short, don’t be negative and tell me not to do it, rather make suggestions and provide supportive help for me and any other “newbie” who comes for advice. A couple of you actually helped me with what I’m doing, made suggestions, and provided info. A lot of you were quick to shoot me down and tell me to quit. I’m sure if I told any of you to stop using AAS, you’d tell me to go f**k myself. If I were a lesser mind, I’d be very DISCOURAGED to carry on with this.

So, knowing that I am going to continue on with this cycle, do any of you have any suggestions regarding dosages or adding other products? Please explain why - I do respect your opinions.

Thank you.
 
Guys, don't turn this shit into the C&C board or I'll drive off of a fucking bridge tonight. Then I'll come back as a ghost and haunt every one of you fuckers by hiding your gear every night when you go to bed.

platinumlex, you asked for everyone's advise by posting your cycle, don't get pissed when someone doesn't agree with you.

Guys, take it easy on the newbie. I don't agree with his cycle either, but he's already started down that path, so the best thing we can do is try to keep him on the road.
 
PlatinumLex said:
IVTITAN:

Please don’t bother responding to my thread anymore. I’m sure you know something about something, but your responses were negative and you didn’t gather the information I provided to give an educated response. I wrote that I had done a tren cycle for a month and now I’ve been on this new cycle for 4 days. Also, I described my diet in my stats, which you obviously didn’t read. I am genetically predisposed to being a large body with a low metabolic rate – I’ve been fighting it all my life without the use of any steroids. I’ve run 5 marathons and I hit my genetic limit aerobically. Now I’m trying to hit it anaerobically. I have gathered a lot of information – I’m looking for more, you gave me none.
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well it gives me an idea what you're working with, but not what you're trying to achieve. beginning of your post says you've been on for a month now, end of your post says you are on day 4 of your cycle... dude, it doesn't even look like you work out. get your diet in check, and start actually going to the gym, after you've been doing that for a while, you will have the body you are probably trying to get. steroids are not a shortcut, or a magic option... they are to get you where you cant get naturally, and you are a long way from hitting your natural genetic limit !!
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all i said was that when you posted your stats you didnt tell your exact goals. if i was confused by your post, forgive me, i read that you were on for a month, then on for 4 days, honest mistake.
i'm not saying you dont work out, but honestly, if you have already been in the gym a while, and had a cycle under your belt (tren at that) then it didn't look like it is all... before i ever touched aas people had asked me if i used juice, because i actually looked like i've been in the gym. it's obvious you are going to cycle, i'm not talking you out of it. but dont take one man's word as the be all end all advice. tren is not for first time aas users. it's very harsh on the system and you dont know how your body will react to gear.. that's a fact. i'm not here to put you down or tell you to quit. i just dont agree with your cycle. if your diet really was on point, you would not need gear to lose the bf you are talking about is all i'm saying. you could cut a lot of that with diet and cardio, and then do a cycle to put on some lean muscle mass.. drugs dont burn the fat, the exercise and diet do that.. you can cut with any steroid, you can bulk with any steroid. this is a known fact...
what exactly are you looking to do, this will help us critique your cycle better. if you are hell bent on juicing right now, just remember it's not the easy way out that people make it seem to be, just be prepared to work your fucking ass off to get where you want to be, the gear will help, but not do it for you. sorry if you took offense to my post.
 
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