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Gambino
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so if adam and eve had 2 boys, Cain and Abel, how did they populate the world????
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lolHS Lifter said:
seriously though
they only had two kiddos, and one of them killed the other i reckon...that leads me to some nasty conclusions, unless someone else can set me straight
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evansteve
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Gambino said:
They had more than 2 boys silly, its just that the first two boys they had were the only children of them that the Bible spent any significant amount of time discussing.
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Gambino
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so if they had more than 2 kids the two kids obiviously had a incestious affair? is that what you are saying?
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perkele said:
That's kinda scandalous then
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One of the most frequent questions asked by Christians and non-Christians alike is where did Cain's wife come from. This question also involves a larger question: what population existed at the time Cain built his city, and what of incest?
According to Genesis, Cain murdered his younger brother Abel (Genesis 4:8) at some point in his life. As punishment for this crime, God banished Cain from his home and the presence of the Lord.
The Bible also records Cain's fear that others might avenge Abel by killing him (Genesis 4:14), that Cain obtained a wife at some point (Genesis 4:17) and built a city (Genesis 4:17).
One theory that has been put forth to explain the existence of sufficient numbers of people is directly contradictory to Scripture and posits a "pre-Adamic" race dwelling in the neighborhood of the Garden of Eden from which Cain could take a wife.
This is not a tenable solution, however, for the Scriptures clearly teach that Adam was the first man (1 Corinthians 15:45) and that his wife, Eve, was "the mother of all the living" (Genesis 3:20).
Genesis 5:4 tells us that Adam had sons and daughters. At first, sons and daughters of Adam and Eve had to marry each other to populate the earth. Cain probably married a sister or niece or grand niece.
Assuming the accuracy of the Genesis account, and considering the length of lives recorded (around 900 years, on the average), a very sizable population could have developed very rapidly. Using conservative guesses as to the size of families and average age, there easily could have been several million people living at the time of the death of Cain.
Moreover, the Scriptures nowhere indicate at what points in the life of Cain he murdered his brother, married his wife, or built his city. Even a few hundred years might have passed before all of the events took place, allowing for a sizable population with which to build a city.
All this raises the additional question of incest. If incest is scripturally forbidden, according to the Mosaic law, how do we explain all this marrying of siblings? Since Adam and Eve were created directly by God, and perfect, it can be presumed that their genes were perfect.
When sin entered the world at the Fall, bringing with it death, disease, and destruction, the gene pool would gradually become corrupted. At first, no harm would result from marriage of brothers and sisters, and had sin not entered the world, presumably no harm would have ever entered.
As the generations passed, however, disease, environment, and sin took their toll on the genetic pool, which resulted in mutant and defective genes. Incest was prohibited in Moses' time, from a biological standpoint, because it now was dangerous and resulted in deformed, moronic, or otherwise defective offspring.
Moreover, in addition to the biological problem which arises from incest, there is also an ethical one. God forbids incest on moral grounds, and this is more crucial than the biological aspect (Leviticus 20:11).
Incest disrupts the family social and moral structure. The family is the only God-ordained institution in the world other than the church. At the initial formation of the family structure in Cain's day, it is difficult to presume what happened with inter-marriage. Thus we cannot be sure to what extent incest occurred. One things is certain: after God's ordained family structure stabilized, incest was sin.
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One of the most frequent questions asked by Christians and non-Christians alike is where did Cain's wife come from. This question also involves a larger question: what population existed at the time Cain built his city, and what of incest?
According to Genesis, Cain murdered his younger brother Abel (Genesis 4:8) at some point in his life. As punishment for this crime, God banished Cain from his home and the presence of the Lord.
The Bible also records Cain's fear that others might avenge Abel by killing him (Genesis 4:14), that Cain obtained a wife at some point (Genesis 4:17) and built a city (Genesis 4:17).
One theory that has been put forth to explain the existence of sufficient numbers of people is directly contradictory to Scripture and posits a "pre-Adamic" race dwelling in the neighborhood of the Garden of Eden from which Cain could take a wife.
This is not a tenable solution, however, for the Scriptures clearly teach that Adam was the first man (1 Corinthians 15:45) and that his wife, Eve, was "the mother of all the living" (Genesis 3:20).
Genesis 5:4 tells us that Adam had sons and daughters. At first, sons and daughters of Adam and Eve had to marry each other to populate the earth. Cain probably married a sister or niece or grand niece.
Assuming the accuracy of the Genesis account, and considering the length of lives recorded (around 900 years, on the average), a very sizable population could have developed very rapidly. Using conservative guesses as to the size of families and average age, there easily could have been several million people living at the time of the death of Cain.
Moreover, the Scriptures nowhere indicate at what points in the life of Cain he murdered his brother, married his wife, or built his city. Even a few hundred years might have passed before all of the events took place, allowing for a sizable population with which to build a city.
All this raises the additional question of incest. If incest is scripturally forbidden, according to the Mosaic law, how do we explain all this marrying of siblings? Since Adam and Eve were created directly by God, and perfect, it can be presumed that their genes were perfect.
When sin entered the world at the Fall, bringing with it death, disease, and destruction, the gene pool would gradually become corrupted. At first, no harm would result from marriage of brothers and sisters, and had sin not entered the world, presumably no harm would have ever entered.
As the generations passed, however, disease, environment, and sin took their toll on the genetic pool, which resulted in mutant and defective genes. Incest was prohibited in Moses' time, from a biological standpoint, because it now was dangerous and resulted in deformed, moronic, or otherwise defective offspring.
Moreover, in addition to the biological problem which arises from incest, there is also an ethical one. God forbids incest on moral grounds, and this is more crucial than the biological aspect (Leviticus 20:11).
Incest disrupts the family social and moral structure. The family is the only God-ordained institution in the world other than the church. At the initial formation of the family structure in Cain's day, it is difficult to presume what happened with inter-marriage. Thus we cannot be sure to what extent incest occurred. One things is certain: after God's ordained family structure stabilized, incest was sin.
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UA_Iron
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God was playing favorites in this case. Cain gave his best offering to god and it was denied...no wonder cain felt compelled to kill able.
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UA_Iron
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God was playing favorites in this case. Cain gave his best offering to god and it was denied...no wonder cain felt compelled to kill abel
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evansteve
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Gambino said:
Yeah, it would have had to happen.
It probably didnt seem as scandalous though back in the day, when banging your sister was the only way to ensure the survival of the human race.
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Gambino
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biteme said:
The highlighted is what i have fault with. Seems like they are bending the laws of nature to suit their arguement, very shaky evidence if you ask me
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Gambino
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evansteve said:
Incest is against the law of good bro
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UA_Iron
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how are dinosaurs explained in the whole grand scheme of things?
Carbon-14 dating does not lie.
Carbon-14 dating does not lie.
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Gambino
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UA_Iron said:
stick-figure seems to think that it does
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evansteve
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Gambino said:
that law came later though.
needtogetaas
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and where dos it say that in the bibble.please give me a verce.Gambino said:
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Gambino
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evansteve said:
yeah i guess you are right
admit that seems shady about peeps living 900 yrs...how come scientific law is not followed in the bible??? seems fishy bor, admit it
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evansteve
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Gambino said:
Dude, science isnt followed in real life either. People get healed miraculously, theres the bermuda triangle, there are other unexplained things.
have you ever thought that maybe science isnt a perfect predictor for how the way things should be or how they are?
PS:
God is infinite (or the concept of Him is, however you want to look at it)
He can choose how long humans should live, create rules in our universe and change and modify those rules any time he wants.
Originally humans were supposed to live forever, before the fall of man. Then the living 900 years bit occurred. after that God decided to change the rules and make it so that men would likely live less than 120 years.
Check this site out, it explains it better than I can:
http://www.direct.ca/trinity/120years.html
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evansteve said:
900 years bor. Something of that magintude is not even come 1/4 close.
I'm not trying to turn this into a bash thread, but it seems that religion is the only subject were the proponents get to bend science to fit their arguement.
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evansteve said:
what are you arguing here? The exact same reason can be used against your stance and be more effective. Beware.
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evansteve
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Just thought I'd add this: (I put it in one of my earlier posts too)
PS: God is infinite (or the concept of Him is, however you want to look at it)
He can choose how long humans should live, create rules in our universe and change and modify those rules any time he wants.
Originally humans were supposed to live forever, before the fall of man. Then the living 900 years bit occurred. after that God decided to change the rules and make it so that men would likely live less than 120 years.
Check this site out, it explains it better than I can:
http://www.direct.ca/trinity/120years.html
PS: God is infinite (or the concept of Him is, however you want to look at it)
He can choose how long humans should live, create rules in our universe and change and modify those rules any time he wants.
Originally humans were supposed to live forever, before the fall of man. Then the living 900 years bit occurred. after that God decided to change the rules and make it so that men would likely live less than 120 years.
Check this site out, it explains it better than I can:
http://www.direct.ca/trinity/120years.html
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evansteve
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Gambino said:
Religion and "Science" are directly opposed to each other. Science assumes no God, and assumes that humans evolved over the course of millions of years, and that the Earth was created from a Big Bang.
Therefore it is not suprising to see why science opposes religion.
But who is to say that there isnt a God? And that us humans did evolve and originate from some Big Bang??
UA_Iron said:
could you explain what you mean by that? All I'm trying to say is that people shouldnt disbelieve the events of the Bible just because some scientists do not believe that it is possible to occur 'naturally'.
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evansteve said:
I don't thing science has to be opposed to religion, it's just that certain zealots want it to be that way
JayC9
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One theory is that humans were a lot closer to perfection then (Adam lived to over 900 years of age) hence none of the defects or complications that come with incest affected their children. Adam and Eve would have had many generations of children and their children would have made partners of their brothers and sisters in order to populate the earth.
Other instances of incest are recorded in the bible....Lot's daughters got their father drunk and had intercourse with him because they wanted children and there was no other males available.
Other instances of incest are recorded in the bible....Lot's daughters got their father drunk and had intercourse with him because they wanted children and there was no other males available.
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Gambino
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bump cause i wanna argue
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UA_Iron
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About 15 million years ago african and asian apes began to go separate ways with evolution.
Then about 7mya major climate changes in africa caused the extremely dense rain forrest areas to spread thinner. Trees were now less abundant meaning food had to be sought from further and further distances. This was the motivation to walk on 2 feet and stand upright...a much more efficient way of travel.
Then came the ability to utilize high energy food sources such as animal fats and proteins. Vegetation just would not cut it anymore in this scenario.
Two theories exist as to how man came to be in other parts of the world: The out of africa theory - says that evolution took place in africa and then man migrated out of the continent. Then the simultaneous evolution which says in different parts of the world man went through the same evolutions.
Then about 7mya major climate changes in africa caused the extremely dense rain forrest areas to spread thinner. Trees were now less abundant meaning food had to be sought from further and further distances. This was the motivation to walk on 2 feet and stand upright...a much more efficient way of travel.
Then came the ability to utilize high energy food sources such as animal fats and proteins. Vegetation just would not cut it anymore in this scenario.
Two theories exist as to how man came to be in other parts of the world: The out of africa theory - says that evolution took place in africa and then man migrated out of the continent. Then the simultaneous evolution which says in different parts of the world man went through the same evolutions.
bluepeter
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I respect people's beliefs re: religion but come on. Anybody that believes humans and/or the earth as being only 6000 years old is foolish. Anybody that can't see the ridiculous posturing in that stuff posted by biteme for what it is must be blind.
That said, there is no reason why science and religion cannot harmoniously exist. Whoever said that explaining things by science is disproving God? It may throw doubts onto religious text but one hardly needs science to do that
The Bible was written by men who are not perfect beings. They have things such as bias and agendas. The existence of God and the validity of man-made religions are very separate arguments IMO. Science tends to blow holes in one and leave the discovery of the other to the theologians.
That said, there is no reason why science and religion cannot harmoniously exist. Whoever said that explaining things by science is disproving God? It may throw doubts onto religious text but one hardly needs science to do that
The Bible was written by men who are not perfect beings. They have things such as bias and agendas. The existence of God and the validity of man-made religions are very separate arguments IMO. Science tends to blow holes in one and leave the discovery of the other to the theologians.
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Gambino said:
what is up with your avatar
Ish
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If science and religion are oppsed to each other, then why to religious people go the the doctors, use technology, drive cars, and basically use anything that science has proven. I guess because it serves them well to believe it for those reasons, but not for others.
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bluepeter said:
Right when science blows a hole, they discount science. Rational, assumingly smart peeps (flexygel, for example) discount science when it suits their argument...in all other instances they believe in scientific thought. Impossible to talk to these peeps on a rational playing field.
good post UA
Eringobraugh
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Ive never heard the living 900 years thing before, that is reaching no way you slice it, what tangled webs we weave.
God's Debris
Scott Adams' God's Debris (2001) creates a cohesive but iconoclast philosophical universe via Occam's Razor that surmises our universe's omnipotent God annihilated himself and exists now as the smallest units of matter and the law of probability, or "God's debris." He offers recommendations on everything from an alternative theory for planetary motion to successful recipes for relationships under his system. He hypothesizes that God is currently reassembling himself though the continued formation of a collective intelligence, modern examples including the development of the Internet. He bills God's Debris as a thought experiment, challenging readers to differentiate scientifically accepted theories from "creative baloney."
The central character, according to the introduction, knows "literally everything", and Adams, whose knowledge is as relatively limited as the next man, had to come up with a way around this. He used Occam's Razor ("the simplest explanation is usually the likeliest") to explain each concept raised in the book because, while "in this world of complications, the simplest explanation is usually dead wrong," there's something more comfortable and more convincing in the simplest explanation than in anything complicated.
It is interesting to note that the February 11, 1996 Dilbert strip has Dogbert expanding on the notion that great things are created from simple parts, and therefore a supreme being would not be in the past, but in the future.
God's Debris
Scott Adams' God's Debris (2001) creates a cohesive but iconoclast philosophical universe via Occam's Razor that surmises our universe's omnipotent God annihilated himself and exists now as the smallest units of matter and the law of probability, or "God's debris." He offers recommendations on everything from an alternative theory for planetary motion to successful recipes for relationships under his system. He hypothesizes that God is currently reassembling himself though the continued formation of a collective intelligence, modern examples including the development of the Internet. He bills God's Debris as a thought experiment, challenging readers to differentiate scientifically accepted theories from "creative baloney."
The central character, according to the introduction, knows "literally everything", and Adams, whose knowledge is as relatively limited as the next man, had to come up with a way around this. He used Occam's Razor ("the simplest explanation is usually the likeliest") to explain each concept raised in the book because, while "in this world of complications, the simplest explanation is usually dead wrong," there's something more comfortable and more convincing in the simplest explanation than in anything complicated.
It is interesting to note that the February 11, 1996 Dilbert strip has Dogbert expanding on the notion that great things are created from simple parts, and therefore a supreme being would not be in the past, but in the future.
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Gambino said:
Their reasoning is always riddled with logical fallacies. Many times its like arguing with a stubborn 4 year old.
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bluepeter said:
ugh yeah, unfortunately.
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starfish said:The last place I worked, someone brought in an article on science fair projects from some religious group. The biologists there shredded it and had a lot of laughs.
haha thats cool.
Eringobraugh
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Gambino said:
Then why make a thread when you already know that its an age old rational vs. empirical argument. Neither side can win and they use exactly opposite methodology of finding the truth. Empirical is an upside down pyramid of gathering and filtering information leading to the answer where rationalism is an upright pyramid starting with the answer and proving it, simple philosophy 101 sutff. By definition an empirical answer can never disprove a rational position and leaves open room for change, science evolves like Newton and his laws of Motion, accepted science fact until Einstein came along with his relativistic equations of motion proving him wrong, scientific method(empirical) claims no answers. A person taking a rational position can never be swayed as the evidence for it is irrelevant and theyll change it at will. People for centuries have tried to engage them in empirical debate to no avail. Its futile except to try and make them look foolish in the eyes of other empiricists. Its just an effort to make them look bad and discount their faith. Whats the point of doing that?
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Eringobraugh said:
I just wanted to debate the issue...my original question was honest and had zero malice intended. A logical question, no?
I still have a bit of faith, it hasn't left me completely and i hope it doesn't. The hardcore interpretation of the bible, though, I just cannot comprehend.
Eringobraugh
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Gambino said:
I dont know how they can explain it either. Its actually somewhat sad to see people try to. Its a question of faith that one accepts but to start throwing out explanations like people lived 900years old back then thats just really silly. You just have to believe it or disbelieve, its all a leap of faith. Letting themselves get drawn into empirical debates and then being forced to just make up ludricous statements and start dancing is not what its all about. I believe in what I believe and have tremendous faith, but you wont see me making up stuff like that, besides the stuff Ive experienced sounds too insane to explain, one has to experience it.
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Eringobraugh said:
In a explanation here the bermuda triangle was used as supporting the Adam and Eve story lol...talk about having to reach a bit.
I still feel love for the church characters i grew up learning about, but I feel no religious attachment to them. If I ever became more religiously inclined I would have to find a different religion other than christianity...
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GAMNINO YOU ARE THE BIGEST FOOL OF THEM ALL ZERO FAITH.....FURTHERMORE YOU PRESENT YOURSELF AS A "HISTORY MAJOR" YOU ARE A VERY IGNORANT WASTE FOR A HUMAN BODY.....HOW CAN YOU BE A HISTORY MAJOR AND NOT KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE BIBLE"
KEEP ON BEING MISERABLE AND HATING CHRISTIANS.....
Psychology 101- You fear what is the truth and what you are afraid to face!
However God bless you anyways.....maybe 1 day you will see the light.
KEEP ON BEING MISERABLE AND HATING CHRISTIANS.....
Psychology 101- You fear what is the truth and what you are afraid to face!
However God bless you anyways.....maybe 1 day you will see the light.
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Gambino
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PolfaJelfa said:
Damn bor you are an angry zealot. Fucking nationalist attitude you possess.
Hopefully i will see your dumb ass in hell
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UA_Iron
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HAHAHAHA wow
anyway - Are you sure einstein disproved newton? I dont believe thats the case - he may have showed that his laws do not apply when traveling the speed of light or when mass does not remain constant.
anyway - Are you sure einstein disproved newton? I dont believe thats the case - he may have showed that his laws do not apply when traveling the speed of light or when mass does not remain constant.
Eringobraugh
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UA_Iron said:
ugh, yeah Im sure, Einstein showed Newtons, although brilliant at the time, to be very incorrect. Newtons laws can still be used in simple everyday thinking but nonetheless are wrong.
The differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics all boil down to two basic concepts: space and time. Newton's space and time were absolue, that is, unchangable. Space was boundless, static, and completely empty save for the universal medium, the ether, and time had flowed inexoribly since Creation. Einstein's space and time, however, wound and twisted about one another into one absolute concept, spacetime. In Einstein's universe, space and time were continually being warped and shaped according to the motions of energy and matter.
Before Newton's time, people were utter mystifyed by the motion of the stars in the heavens, inventing elaborate explainations involving gods and imbedded spheres and the such. But Newton found that his theory of gravity explained their motions almost perfectly. Only such a superb mind as his could have equated the force that acts on an apple falling from a tree to that which keeps the Earth in orbit around the sun. Newton's gravity was a force carried in a universal medium called the luminous ether by which every object in the universe affects every other. Although a few scattered objections persisted, Newton's laws were so successful in explaining the motions of the planets that his concepts were universally accepted.
Einstein, however, abolished all that, saying that gravity was not a force at all, but merely the observed effect of the warping of space and time by matter. He examined two situations: resting on the surface of a massive body and accelerating in empty space. If the rate of acceleration was adjusted correctly, a person would feel the same downward pull of gravity. Einstein asserted that these effects were actually the same. A far cry from Newton's view of gravity as a force acting at a distance!
We have already observed the slowdown of time and the redshifting of light due to gravity. In Einstein's universe, these two phenomena naturally occur together. The newtonian physicist, however, would not also predict that time flows slower with stronger gravity, because Newton's time did not change.
For many centuries, astronomers have noticed a small discrepancy in Mercury's observed orbit around the sun and that predicted by Newton's laws. Because it is so close to the Sun, the Sun's mass distorts Mercury's path, so that with each revolution, its perihelion (closest point to the Sun) gets a closer to the Sun. OnNewton's theory had predicted a shift only half as large as the actual one, but Einstein's predictions perfectly matched observations.
The difference between Newton's and Einstein's laws at ordinary speeds is negligably small, and Newton's laws are much simpler to use, so depite their inaccuracies, Newton's laws are still used for calculating in everday situations. However, many keys to understanding the universe lie not in ordinary experience, but in extraodinary phenomena such as supernovae and black holes. In the realms of the very big and very small, Newton's laws simply did not suffice.
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I believe forces are more tools of convenience, something user defined to help explain a situation and apply to others.
Theoretical Physics is very interesting I must say, though as an engineer I look at things from a more mechanical approach.
Theoretical Physics is very interesting I must say, though as an engineer I look at things from a more mechanical approach.
God/Allah/Whatever you want to call him is real. Pure love. If many would just open there eyes they would see. I have learned in my life nothing is an accident and no such thing as coincidences. We are hear to learn lessons and many of us have lived many lives. Just my IMO for you crazy bastages who are flipping out on each other.
Also Noah got wasted and so am I.
Also Noah got wasted and so am I.
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yeah noah got piss drunk and got naked and then cursed his son for putting him in a tent.
Good job god, lets repopulate the earth with this winner.
Good job god, lets repopulate the earth with this winner.
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Ish said:
knowing how the body works, how autos work, and any other technology, thats important, and is applicable to both Christians and non-Christians.
Its when science begins making claims about evolution, that Christians are no longer able to see eye to eye.
bluepeter said:
2nd Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
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evansteve
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Gambino said:
okay, lets start talking about specific issues and getting away from all this general crap. All in all I pretty much agree with science, except for a few areas, but lets talk about those few areas.
What has science 'claimed' which I disagree with? The main issues I have against science are about evolution. So lets start with that. (I could care less about the age of the Earth actually, because the Bible leaves the Earth's age open for interpretation)
Okay, so how does science offer conclusive proof about evolution? Because I seriously don't think it does. Rarely are evolving primate fossils discovered. And when they are, scientists claim certain sets of bones go with each other (ones they find in the ground) ha. They also mistake large monkeys for "pre-human" beings.
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What your saying isn't exactly true about the claims of science, evansteve. In the 1980s, archeologists unearthed the remains of 32 individuals from a cave in Atapuerca in Northern Spain. The bones, were dated around 300,000 years ago. In another site, a skull was found of a young man dated to be over 780,000 years old. Archeologists have been finding bones for decades that have proven the evolution of man from Cro-Magnon to the Neandrathal. So, the world is obviously older than 6,000 years and I think scientists and archeologists know what they're talking about. What's ridiculous and hard to swallow is the story of Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, the "explanation" for how the world was populated, Noah's Ark... need I go on? The people who wrote the Bible were primitive ignoramases who didn't know there was a whole other world beyond their own (they did think the world was flat, after all). So, like everyone else back then, they "created" their own reason for how the world was started. It still baffles me how the only thing that has survived the Dark Ages is belief in the first book of the Bible...
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evansteve said:
I feel stupid trying to argue evolution with anyone, I only know what I've been taught in college courses and by no means am I a master of the subject. The same applies to you. Yet you claim to have better knowledge on the subject than the cream of our intellectual society's crop...they mistake bones, claim monkeys are our ancestors, etc. I don't feel you that you have the grounds to make these assertions.
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PolfaJelfa said:
I'll reply again to better counter this random outburst from fucktard above. The history subjects taught at major unis have very broad themes, from ancient Rome to S. America...on account of history being so long, one cannot learn it all and you must specialize in one field.
I know the bible on account of being raised catholic and completeing CCD. I just wanted some supllementary info. so eat a bowl of dick roid rager guy
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God bless you gambino
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Gambino
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PolfaJelfa said:
God bless you gambino
you are biting your tounge. let it out, let's e-argue
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PolfaJelfa said:
God bless you gambino
I'd take offense to this. I'd want nothing to do with this god.
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damn redguru you are fucking well rounded. always like to read your posts
redguru
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In another thread, I thought we could already lay to rest the 6000 year argument in the Bible, seeing as Chinese, Indian, and Egyptian culture predate that time. Also those that take the Old testament literally should watch out when begat is used, as it could mean more than one generation.
There are two schools of thought in Judeao-Christian theology as to when Genesis was written. Some believe Moses was inspired by God on Mount Sinai to write it. Most have found that around 550bc a collection of oral tradition texts were transcribed into the book we now know as Genesis.
As far as Gambino's original question, The Hebrews believe they came from the line of Seth, Adam's third son. Cain may have already been married when he fled to the land of Nod but didn't have children until he arrived there.
There are two schools of thought in Judeao-Christian theology as to when Genesis was written. Some believe Moses was inspired by God on Mount Sinai to write it. Most have found that around 550bc a collection of oral tradition texts were transcribed into the book we now know as Genesis.
As far as Gambino's original question, The Hebrews believe they came from the line of Seth, Adam's third son. Cain may have already been married when he fled to the land of Nod but didn't have children until he arrived there.
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redguru said:
Eringobraugh
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redguru said:
I know bor, we usually make eerily similar posts, its all good
jdevlin1985
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One of the most controversial questions of today.
mountain muscle
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The length to which some will go attempting to justify the existance of god is astounding, especially since these are all theories and they are so quick to write off scientific theories as being just that.
If it helps you sleep better and motivates you to lead a better life then more power to you.
Me?
I am going with science.
If it helps you sleep better and motivates you to lead a better life then more power to you.
Me?
I am going with science.
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mountain muscle said:
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PolfaJelfa
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Only inner peace...Gambino..truly my best wishes to you.
I wish you well brother
It amazes me how many people do not believe in a higher being. No way I can will ever understand how a big explosion happened and that created everything. Well if it did it came from a higher being...GOD everyone can think what they want though. I know what I think.
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KA-BAR said:
but you my friend have run into a logical fallacy. Many creationists are in the mindset of "It couldnt be evolution or the big bang, so there MUST be a god"
How many OTHER possibilities exist as to how we got here? An infinite....
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UA_Iron said:
There is no error or disagreement between creation and a bang.......the two actually go hand and hand with each other.....science is backing up faith.....
God created the entire universe....you may ask well who created God...God is omnipresent always is always was will be. You can not grasp that in your head. Then again you can not grasp parallel universes time shifts, warp holes etc. Science is not yet there....however as it nears it actually REINFORCES RELIGION.....for true christian science is the only truth thru witch every other law abides. Example....the holy trinity.....Father, Son , Holy spirit....being the same.. Bulshit is it scientifically? Not quite....Einstens theorys...many contemporary scholars who are very praised and at the top of modern science are proving the principles right now...of being in diferent planes at the same time...etc. It actually makes sense!
I am not bound by any religions ..i am not religious..i consider myself a man of faith ( although i have many flaws) . I believe in the lord and his words....i am guided by truth......for he who seeks the truth shall see the light.
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biteme said:
Strong words are they - and wise words are they.
Peace
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