reforvitb

[billy14]

can i just do 25mged with 50ml bottle and not have any anti est. , i have done cycle of susa year ago and no gyno . is it safe to say i will not get it???will just this d dol work good alone??

 

[trial0r]

use clomid + arimidex or liquidex for sure...
i wouldnt do it alone...your going to lose most or all of what you gain...some people say they have some luck with using it alone but they are few and far between.

 

[billy14]

what if i cannot find any of that every guy i know can't get any . any alternatives. do you think gyno is a factor

 

[NFG123]

Bro,

You are gonna need some anti-e's if you wanna do this up right.

a) I wouldnt do an orals only cycle, you wont make good, keepable gains, especially with a once a day dose (i assume you are doing this to keep HTPA up and running)

b) If you INSIST on doing orals only, I would go with anadrol ... they result in what are probably more keepable gains

Clomid for post cycle ... if you are taking 25 mg ED in one big GULP you may not inhibit test that much, but the results will be poor. I would say you may get 8 keepable pounds off a 6 week cycle like this, its prolly not worth it IMO.

Be prepared for hair loss (possible) and gyno (nolva) tho. I am planning a cycle with ref and am doing the following:

Week 1 - 10:

Sustanon 500 mg

Week 1 - 4

Dbol (ref) 25 mg ED (1/3 cc 3x day)

Liquidex 1 mg EOD whole time (e)
2% Nizoral Shampoo (hair loss)
640 mg Saw Palmetto ED (prostate)
ALA 1.5 g ED (17 aa sides)
Clomid (post cycle)
----------------------

You can see there are some side effects to worry about and work with in any cycle ... the question is how much $ is it worth to you?

NFG

 

[ZeroCool]

Bro,

You are gonna need some anti-e's if you wanna do this up right.

a) I wouldnt do an orals only cycle, you wont make good, keepable gains, especially with a once a day dose (i assume you are doing this to keep HTPA up and running)

b) If you INSIST on doing orals only, I would go with anadrol ... they result in what are probably more keepable gains

Clomid for post cycle ... if you are taking 25 mg ED in one big GULP you may not inhibit test that much, but the results will be poor. I would say you may get 8 keepable pounds off a 6 week cycle like this, its prolly not worth it IMO.

Be prepared for hair loss (possible) and gyno (nolva) tho. I am planning a cycle with ref and am doing the following:

Week 1 - 10:

Sustanon 500 mg

Week 1 - 4

Dbol (ref) 25 mg ED (1/3 cc 3x day)

Liquidex 1 mg EOD whole time (e)
2% Nizoral Shampoo (hair loss)
640 mg Saw Palmetto ED (prostate)
ALA 1.5 g ED (17 aa sides)
Clomid (post cycle)
----------------------

You can see there are some side effects to worry about and work with in any cycle ... the question is how much $ is it worth to you?

NFG

Personally I would say that gyno would not be a big factor. I would say that what you do after your Reforvit-B is gonna make or break your gains. If you go with anadrol you are going to definitly need an anti estrogen. You will gain more by taking anadrol but will also loose it faster then the reforvit-B. Anadrol will make you more puffy because it hold much more water weight and is a very dangerous steroid. You also have to take into consideration that you do not have that much to work with and your resources are minimal. Do what you have and stick with a good workout routine. If possible try to stay away from the anadrol and put some real muscle on. Or try to wait and save what you have and find other gear some way some how and stack it. What ever you do good luck and read up on the anadrol if you decide to use it. Later ZC.

 

[Bar Room Hero]

You will make good gains off a dbol-only cycle...IMHO. Use clomid afterward. If you don't use clomid, kiss it all goodbye.