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PatBateman2 said:
Why dos? Dbol/Dex is a great under-known cycle.
Rate these gears in terms of keepable gains
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Why dos? Dbol/Dex is a great under-known cycle.
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PatBateman2 said:
Yup, you're incorrect, with Dbol you need to worry about estrogen sides. BTW, muscle gained is muscle gained, the muscle gained from one drug is not going to last longer than the muscle gained from another drug. Some drugs do cause more water retention which is lost post cycle, and that accounts for the lost weight attributed for drugs like Dbol and test. Also, if a substance shuts you down hard you might end up losing a little more post cycle, a la deca and tren. But basically, no drug is going to produce more keepable muscle than another.
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Diamondcutcows, where have you been all my life? 
Anthony Starks said:Diamondcutcows, where have you been all my life?
LMAO
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I keep ALL gains on Deca... because I don't get any.
I'd rather use Dbol or Sus, lose some water, be flat for a few weeks PC, and be left with new muscle at the end of it all.
I'd rather use Dbol or Sus, lose some water, be flat for a few weeks PC, and be left with new muscle at the end of it all.
Muscle is muscle. You will not keep water - and that isn't muscle incidentally.
The primary issue is not can the gains be kept but "Can YOU keep the gains?" It goes well beyond running some PCT therapy. You need to know how to manage your volume/intensity (%1RM) correctly during a catabolic state to afford minimal losses. If you push it too hard, you will tear yourself down and the body can't recover. If you don't push yourself enough, the body will naturally adapt away from holding excess muscle mass. Even after 100% recovery of HPTA, if your workouts do not provide the stimulus/need to force the body into keeping the additional muscle, it will slowly errode to a stasis point. The body will not hold muscle that it doesn't need (these people die quick in a famine and our surviving genetic pool doesn't include it) your workouts create the need but it goes beyond just running into the gym and pushing some weights around.
Short halflife drugs tend to be more problematic for some people who aren't good at this. Longer acting injects have a natural taper to them but most people just jump right off the max dose of an oral or super short ester (the worst being one that aromatizes heavily like drol/dbol). You get a pretty significant and immediate crash. While this allows going immediately to PCT, it can wreck havoc on an oral only or heavily oral dependent cycle when someone doesn't know what they are doing and can't adjust their workout protocol (and expectations) quickly.
BTW - there have been numerous people who kept gains from dbol (there is a huge thread recently on this) and anadrol when used alone. It is not a question of, can the gains be kept - because obviously a lot of people are able to keep them (including myself in both cases). The question is, can you keep the gains.
The primary issue is not can the gains be kept but "Can YOU keep the gains?" It goes well beyond running some PCT therapy. You need to know how to manage your volume/intensity (%1RM) correctly during a catabolic state to afford minimal losses. If you push it too hard, you will tear yourself down and the body can't recover. If you don't push yourself enough, the body will naturally adapt away from holding excess muscle mass. Even after 100% recovery of HPTA, if your workouts do not provide the stimulus/need to force the body into keeping the additional muscle, it will slowly errode to a stasis point. The body will not hold muscle that it doesn't need (these people die quick in a famine and our surviving genetic pool doesn't include it) your workouts create the need but it goes beyond just running into the gym and pushing some weights around.
Short halflife drugs tend to be more problematic for some people who aren't good at this. Longer acting injects have a natural taper to them but most people just jump right off the max dose of an oral or super short ester (the worst being one that aromatizes heavily like drol/dbol). You get a pretty significant and immediate crash. While this allows going immediately to PCT, it can wreck havoc on an oral only or heavily oral dependent cycle when someone doesn't know what they are doing and can't adjust their workout protocol (and expectations) quickly.
BTW - there have been numerous people who kept gains from dbol (there is a huge thread recently on this) and anadrol when used alone. It is not a question of, can the gains be kept - because obviously a lot of people are able to keep them (including myself in both cases). The question is, can you keep the gains.
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