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which is supposed to be better, I know rALA costs more. is it worth the money?
rALA or just plain ALA?
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Baby Gorilla
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Hmmm....
I forgot, is AF able to ever going to offer rALA at a bulk price (say a discount for a BIG bottle of 500 compared to 5 100 ones)?
Sounds expensive, but I buy protien powder in bulk--just plunked down over $500 for 4 cases that should last me about 6 months.
I forgot, is AF able to ever going to offer rALA at a bulk price (say a discount for a BIG bottle of 500 compared to 5 100 ones)?
Sounds expensive, but I buy protien powder in bulk--just plunked down over $500 for 4 cases that should last me about 6 months.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=151541&highlight=rALA
That is a thread that tell you in detail what these leading researchers are saying.
"We're finding - and others are, too - that the R(+)-form - the natural form - is much more powerful than the racemic mixture ... Hopefully ... companies are going to be producing on more of a clinical scale the R(+)-form of lipoic acid, because we're finding very significant effects using this, as opposed to the racemic mixture."
Dr. Tory Hagen, in Mitochondrial Decay in Aging.
"We have presented in this study new information indicating that this enhancement of glucose metabolism is sterospecific, with the R(+)-enantiomer being much more effective than the S(-)- enantiomer."
Dr. Ryan Streeper and colleagues, in The American Journal of Physiology.
"Lipoic acid sold in a health food store is a synthetic mixture, a racemic mixture. And R[+]- is the natural form and S[-]- is an unnatural one ... And in our hands R[+]- works and S[-]- doesn't."
Dr. Bruce Ames, in Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence.
"R[+]-LA [that is, R(+)-lipoic acid], and not a racemic mixture of R[+]-and S[-]- LA, should be considered a choice for therapeutic applications."
Dr. Lester Packer and colleagues, in Free Radical Biology and Medicine.
"The S[-]-enantiomer … part of the racemate, which is present as about a 50% impurity, needs to be eliminated."
Dr. Guido Zimmer and colleagues, in Methods in Enzymoogy.
I don't blame someone who tells me that they have a hard time believing what someone tells them on a discussion board. But these doctors were quoted in print from very respected medical journals and they are on this board.
That is a thread that tell you in detail what these leading researchers are saying.
"We're finding - and others are, too - that the R(+)-form - the natural form - is much more powerful than the racemic mixture ... Hopefully ... companies are going to be producing on more of a clinical scale the R(+)-form of lipoic acid, because we're finding very significant effects using this, as opposed to the racemic mixture."
Dr. Tory Hagen, in Mitochondrial Decay in Aging.
"We have presented in this study new information indicating that this enhancement of glucose metabolism is sterospecific, with the R(+)-enantiomer being much more effective than the S(-)- enantiomer."
Dr. Ryan Streeper and colleagues, in The American Journal of Physiology.
"Lipoic acid sold in a health food store is a synthetic mixture, a racemic mixture. And R[+]- is the natural form and S[-]- is an unnatural one ... And in our hands R[+]- works and S[-]- doesn't."
Dr. Bruce Ames, in Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence.
"R[+]-LA [that is, R(+)-lipoic acid], and not a racemic mixture of R[+]-and S[-]- LA, should be considered a choice for therapeutic applications."
Dr. Lester Packer and colleagues, in Free Radical Biology and Medicine.
"The S[-]-enantiomer … part of the racemate, which is present as about a 50% impurity, needs to be eliminated."
Dr. Guido Zimmer and colleagues, in Methods in Enzymoogy.
I don't blame someone who tells me that they have a hard time believing what someone tells them on a discussion board. But these doctors were quoted in print from very respected medical journals and they are on this board.
joncrane you say that like it's a negative. Who else has researched r-ALA as much as we have? Who better to educate people about what it is and what it does than the people who decided not to sell ALA because r-ALA is so much better?
BTW those doctors are not on the AF payroll. They have no other interest other than to educate people about r-ALA. Sorry they couldn't be here to post for themselves.
Also, where did you get that marketing partner with Elite? We have no partners.
BTW those doctors are not on the AF payroll. They have no other interest other than to educate people about r-ALA. Sorry they couldn't be here to post for themselves.
Also, where did you get that marketing partner with Elite? We have no partners.
No matter what anyone or any doctor says..... all it takes is a simple search on this very board... and you will find tons of positive posts about ALA.... before r-ALA was ever released.
Not taking anything away from r-ALA.... but yes....original ALA is an excellent supplement. And cheaper
Not taking anything away from r-ALA.... but yes....original ALA is an excellent supplement. And cheaper
Lumberg
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ulter said:
Actually I made the post as impartial as possible. Overall I feel neutral toward you guys--it's annoying seeing you chime in with your endless ringing endorsements of r-ALA but at the same time I have to respect your dogged persistance in hyping your product and squelching your detractors. If I could buy stock in AF I would. BTW I have also purchased r-ALA from you guys. For the record I got the same results from both r-ALA and racemic ALA and neither was very productive for me. I get better results from coffee.
That said, there are very few companies that get banner ads on Elite--not that I pay attention to them but your company is actually the only one I can rememeber seeing up there. You guys basically pay Elite money to run your banners, be allowed hype your product on the boards, and have advertisements for other types of ALA deleted from posts and signatures. If you balk at calling this arrangement a partnership, fine. Please modify my post to say that Anabolic Fitness and Elite Fitness are have a financial arrangement whereby AF has the exclusive right to advertise ALA-related products on Elite.
Again, no flame intended, bro. This issue has been hashed and re-hased enough times that no harsh words are necessary. I am just stating the facts to the unenlightened and will continue to do so.
Sell on,
JC
No you've got the Elite/AF thing all wrong. AF has no exclusive agreement whatsoever with Elite.
We are just the only ones who decided that George deserves to be compensated for putting up a board like this. We did what everyone else was doing in the beginning just posting and leeching off the board. Believe it or not that just wasn't right to us because we all started here and we owed it to George to pay him and so we asked to put up banners. We didn't HAVE to.
The reason people are told not to sell on the board without paying for it is that IT'S AGAINST THE RULES OF THE BOARD and always has been.
We are just the only ones who decided that George deserves to be compensated for putting up a board like this. We did what everyone else was doing in the beginning just posting and leeching off the board. Believe it or not that just wasn't right to us because we all started here and we owed it to George to pay him and so we asked to put up banners. We didn't HAVE to.
The reason people are told not to sell on the board without paying for it is that IT'S AGAINST THE RULES OF THE BOARD and always has been.
M
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joncrane said:
I think Ulter summed up the so called 'exclusive agreement' that you brought up. Which is non-existant.
I'll tell you one thing, w/o Ulter we would be sitting around thinking how to use Yohimbine for the next 10 years. It took years for the Yohimburn revolution and it's finally here, IMO all due to Ulter. In addition, R-ALA has more benefits then ALA, check out the studies. Of course, it's all up to you to decide, but I'm going to have to say that Ulter and his products are one of the best things that happened to the diet world (and anabolic world the same).
Ulter email me please.........
Mr.X
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Lumberg
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Sorry, I came across pretty harsh in my posts. I am glad AF is contributing money to keep this board going. Thanks for the PM ulter.
All I was saying was, when you see pa1ad (Pat Arnold, developer of 1-ad) posting about the benefits of 1-ad, you have to keep in mind who he is. Same goes for people like Par Deus, Dante B., Bill Llewellyn, and ulter.
Peace,
JC
All I was saying was, when you see pa1ad (Pat Arnold, developer of 1-ad) posting about the benefits of 1-ad, you have to keep in mind who he is. Same goes for people like Par Deus, Dante B., Bill Llewellyn, and ulter.
Peace,
JC
liftsiron
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No you've got the Elite/AF thing all wrong. AF has no exclusive agreement whatsoever with Elite.
We are just the only ones who decided that George deserves to be compensated for putting up a board like this. We did what everyone else was doing in the beginning just posting and leeching off the board. Believe it or not that just wasn't right to us because we all started here and we owed it to George to pay him and so we asked to put up banners. We didn't HAVE to.
The reason people are told not to sell on the board without paying for it is that IT'S AGAINST THE RULES OF THE BOARD and always has been.
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This is in fact then, now a business agreement. Nothing wrong with that it benefits everyone concerned. Just that sometimes I view the hype given AF products on Elite, similiar to the hype given Muscle Tech products in Muscle Mag. There is nothing wrong with that either, it is only my perception. Unlike Muscle Tech and Muscle Mag, Ulter admitt's that there is a financial agreement between AF and Elite, in my opinion this adds credability to Ulter and AF. By the way I have tried a few AF products, yohimburn and NYC and they were effective, although I'm not crazy about the smell of yohimburm.
We are just the only ones who decided that George deserves to be compensated for putting up a board like this. We did what everyone else was doing in the beginning just posting and leeching off the board. Believe it or not that just wasn't right to us because we all started here and we owed it to George to pay him and so we asked to put up banners. We didn't HAVE to.
The reason people are told not to sell on the board without paying for it is that IT'S AGAINST THE RULES OF THE BOARD and always has been.
__________________
This is in fact then, now a business agreement. Nothing wrong with that it benefits everyone concerned. Just that sometimes I view the hype given AF products on Elite, similiar to the hype given Muscle Tech products in Muscle Mag. There is nothing wrong with that either, it is only my perception. Unlike Muscle Tech and Muscle Mag, Ulter admitt's that there is a financial agreement between AF and Elite, in my opinion this adds credability to Ulter and AF. By the way I have tried a few AF products, yohimburn and NYC and they were effective, although I'm not crazy about the smell of yohimburm.
sauerbrauten
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The Af store are good people so is Ulter. I see no problem in him promoting his product. Especialy since it works. Then again there are those who havent even tried yohimburn etc. or r-ala and say it is a scam. this just goes to show the intelect of those individuals. I think most of us knwo that Ulter represents the store and we take that into consideration however i have full faith in his statements and actions as the AF store caries products that are of worthiness and most like Yohimburn realy do live up to its claims. Now how often do you see that these days?
Ok just wanted to air my thoughts.
Im off to eat now
Ok just wanted to air my thoughts.
Im off to eat now
