Raising a low sperm count - need advice

[Juice Authority]

I'm trying to knock the wife up with our second child and I'm afraid I have a fairly low sperm count due to various AAS activity that I have been engaged in. My good buddy Satch suggested the following receipe:

5000ius of HCG e2days
200mg clomid ed

He suggested to start it 1 day after she's done with her period as she ovulates shortly after.

What else should I or could I throw into the mix? How about dostinex? I hear dostinex helps raise sperm count. Any feedback?

 

[Jenetic]

This is a post of mine from the PCT forum:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330286

Semen analysis is the major test for evaluating male infertility. This test provides important information about the quality and quantity of the sperm. The semen sample is analyzed for volume, viscosity (thickness), pH and color of the ejaculate, sperm concentration, motility, morphology, and forward progression of the sperm. The sample is also examined for the presence of white or red blood cells which may indicate infection or inflammation.

In patients who desire fertility, the options to induce spermatogenesis include exogenous gonadotropins or pulsatile GnRH. In hypogonadotrpic hypogonadism, the origin of the disease influences the choice of treatment to achieve fertility. GnRH substitution is more effective for hypothalamic than pituitary disorders. However, depending on the number of functioning gonadotropes remaining, GnRH may also be an effective therapy for patients with hypopituitarism.

Administration of exogenous gonadotropins is suitable for patients with both pituitary and hypothalamic disorders. Conventional therapy uses hCG as an LH substitute in conjunction with FSH in the form of either human menopausal gonadotropins (HMG) or recombinant FSH formulations (rFSH).

The alternative to gonadotropin therapy is pulsatile administration of GnRH, which may be administered by a programmable, portable mini-infusion pump. While intravenous administration produces the most physiologic GnRH pulse contour and ensuing LH response, the subcutaneous route is clearly more practical for the longterm treatment required to stimulate spermatogenesis. The frequency of GnRH administration is normally employed is every 2 hours. The dose of GnRH is titrated for each individual to ensure normalization of testosterone, LH and FSH and varies from 25 to 600 ng/kg per bolus. Patients on longterm therapy are monitored with serum testosterone and gonadotropin levels at monthly intervals. Once testicular volume reaches 8 mL, regular semen analyses are obtained. The majority of patients require treatment for at least 2 years to maximize testicular growth and achieve spermatogenesis, although the time taken to reach these endpoints tends to be shorter in those with a larger initial gonadal size.

Both exogenous gonadotropins and pulsatile GnRH are very effective in stimulating spermatogenesis. Most studies have no shown no advantage of either therapy in terms of testicular growth, onset of spermatogenesis, final sperm counts or pregnancy rates. However, there are some data to suggest that testicular growth is greater and the time taken to achieve spermatogenesis is shorter in patients treated with GnRH

Jenetic

 

[Dial_tone]

5000iu e2d is ALOT, man.

 

[geoboy]

theres a potential desensitization issue according to past posts here re HCG at those high doses (leydig cells).

lower dose every 2 or 3 days is suppossedly safer & as effective. plenty of posts to search here.

 

[ArrogantFungus]

I believe dostinex works best as a study showed 60 % pregnance rate in couples previosly infertile. Do NOT take viagra as it damages sperms ability to fertilize the egg as sperm are excited too much and spend their energy early before meeting the egg.

 

[DIVISION]

5000ius of HCG e2days
200mg clomid ed

Any feedback?

I think you're wasting it @ 5,000IU E2D......

Just stick w/ 1,000IU ed.....

Anything over 100MG Clomid ED is a waste......

Just keep it steady and wait it out.......


DIV

 

[mrflexdiesel]

L-Arginine is supposed to be very good for increasing sperm production.

 

[Juice Authority]

What dosage do you take of Dostinez? Is it ed or eod and how much? The stuff is not exactly cheap.

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

Have you ever had you sperm count tested? Anyway, here are a couple of reports that I found. One is about the best day to have sex for pregnancy and the other basically states the more times you do it in one night, the better!

BEST OF LUCK BRO!

[/QUOTE]An article in the medical journal, Lancet, shows that men with low sperm counts are different from other men because their counts do not drop when they make love several times in one night. They can increase their chances of fathering a child by making love as often as possible.

Men who produce fewer than 50 million sperm per ejaculate are infertile. A woman releases an egg once every 28 days and is able to become pregnant, only up to 5 days each menstrual cycle. An unfertilized egg can live only one day after it reaches the uterus. And sperm can live only up to 4 days in the uterus. People who are trying to have a child must know when the woman is fertile. They can buy an ovulation kit at the drug store and on the day that the woman releases an egg, she should try to make a baby as often as possible.

On the first try, a normal men usually produce more than 600 million sperm. A second try 20 minutes later produces 120 million sperm. A third try 6 hours later produces 10 million, and a fourth 24 hours later makes only 200,000. The latest research show that men with low sperm counts do not reduce their sperm counts with consecutive ejaculations. So, couples trying to make a baby should try to make love as often as possible on the day that the woman releases an egg /or doctors can collect successive ejaculates and insert them together into the uterus.

1) Tur-Kaspa Lancet 1994(Sept 17);344:766, 2) Fertility and Sterility 1994;62:370-375. 3) Fertility and Sterility 1994;62:150-154.

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[CLOMIDCLOWN]

An exciting study in the New England Journal of Medicine shows that the best time to become pregnant is two days before and on the day that the egg is released. One day after a woman releases an egg, she cannot become pregnant.

At birth, a woman has 4 million eggs in her ovaries. At the start of menstruation, her body increases production of the female hormone, estrogen, which causes one dominant egg to ripen. Around the 11th day, the egg pops from the ovary into the uterus. Sperm can live up to 5 days, but eggs can live only one day. So, a woman is capable of becoming pregnant only up to 5 days before and the day that the egg is released.

There are three ways that doctors can tell that an egg has been released: a rise in blood progesterone or body temperature and a thickening of her vaginal secretions. They occur on the day after an egg is released, when she is not capable of becoming pregnant. If you are trying to become pregnant, your doctor will use the rise in body temperature or progesterone or thickening of vaginal secretions to tell the day after the egg is released. Then, on the next cycle, you should try to become pregnant on the day before these signs changed in the previous cycle. Another study shows that the more often the couple makes love during the 2 days before and the day the egg is released, the more likely she is to become pregnant. [/QUOTE

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

Im sure the HCG ad lower daily doses would do the trick too!

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

I know this is a lot of posts, but i think this one is the most helpful as it is new information. Basically, male infertility is caused by an underlying infection (this is usually the case in woman to). An age old secret/scam of many infertility doctors is that they will give you antibiotic for $30,000 so you can have a child! In other words you get a kid but lose your kids college tuition! Anyway, i know this one works because my aunt did it after losing a kid before pregnancy and this seemed to work and save her a bunch of dough!

A recent issue of Human Reproduction Update has a series of articles showing that infection is the most common cause of male infertility and that standard tests for infertility often do not find the infection.

When evaluating a male for infertility, doctors check sperm count and sperm mobility. If a man's ejaculate contains fewer than 50 million sperm, he is infertile, and the most common cause of reduced sperm count is infection. Infection is also the most common cause of inactive sperm. Doctors don't have a dependable way to measure other causes of infertility such as changes in the sperm membrane and DNA content. These studies stressed that prostate and urinary tube infections that are allowed to continue for several months or years can cause permanent infertility. Because infections are the most common known cause of infertility and the only way to cure these infections is to treat both partners, it may be reasonable to treat all infertile couples with doxycycline or Zithromax for several weeks.

1) FH Comhaire, AMA Mahmoud, CE Depuydt, AA Zalata, AB Christophe. Mechanisms and effects of male genital tract infection on sperm quality and fertilizing potential: the andrologist's viewpoint. Human Reproduction Update, 1999, Vol 5, Iss 5, pp 393-398.

2) FR Ochsendorf. Infections in the male genital tract and reactive oxygen species. Human Reproduction Update, 1999, Vol 5, Iss 5, pp 399-420.

3) W Weidner, W Krause, M Ludwig. Relevance of male accessory gland infection for subsequent fertility with special focus on prostatitis. Human Reproduction Update, 1999, Vol 5, Iss 5, pp 421-432.

4) J Paavonen, W EggertKruse. Chlamydia trachomatis: impact on human reproduction.Human Reproduction Update, 1999, Vol 5, Iss 5, pp 433-447. 5) A Kamischke, E Nieschlag. Treatment of retrograde ejaculation and anejaculation. Human Reproduction Update, 1999, Vol 5, Iss 5, pp 448-474.

Usually people take Zithromax two the first day, and 1 each day for the next 13 days. It REALLY works!

 

[wootoom]

eat lots of oysters and quit jerkin it!!!! lol

 

[wetback]

Sorry to hear it Juice.....my problem is that the misses and I couldn't STOP getting pregnant. 5 years and 4 kids later I had to get my nuts cut.

 

[satchboogie]

5000iu e2d is ALOT, man.

yes it is quite a lot.
but we must keep in mind the purpose behind such admininstration.

if she's healthy and fertile,i got cash she gets pregnant!