Racist or Not?!

[blueta2]

This is a big controversy in Quebec right now. This is a town way outside Montreal that adopted this new law (read below)
This law was passed due to the major influx of Muslims coming into Quebec.
Like in Britain, many Muslims are coming into Canada (mostly in Montreal) and demanding that their way of life be accepted by us.
Example, they go to University and expect Canadian tax payers to pay for a prayer room so they can pray a few times a day. Etc.
Many Muslims have come to Canada and live their way of life ignoring many of our laws.
Hence the new laws past in this town!
What do you think.....Racist or not!?!


Welcome to Herouxville
Don't stone women

Published: Sunday, January 28, 2007

A rural Quebec town has taken the unusual step of formally declaring it is forbidden to stone women in public - part of a list of "norms" it says is aimed at potential immigrants.

Herouxville, about 165 kilometres northeast of Montreal, adopted a resolution at a council meeting this month that outlines what elected officials consider to be the town's official behavioural norms.

The document, sent to both the provincial and federal governments, states "a woman can ... drive a car, sign cheques, dance, decide on her own."

However, covering one's face other than on Halloween, burning women alive or burning them with acid is not considered acceptable.

The document also points out to potential immigrants that Quebecers are used to receiving medical services from members of the opposite sex and that boy and girls often swim in the same pool.

"Don't be surprised," the document reads. "For us, it's normal."

Andre Drouin, who spearheaded the move to list norms, said the document was a response to what some perceive to be excessive accommodation newcomers to the province receive.

Herouxville does not have any immigrants among its population of 1,300.

But Drouin said that could change given the Quebec government's policy of encouraging newcomers to the province to settle outside urban centres.


you can read more here

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=bca2b544-518e-4163-a29d-4fe8c23d1910&k=95849

 

[habitualhealth]

call me and read this to me.

my brain is so large and overwhelmed with brilliance...i've stopped taking in new information until further notice.

 

[OfficerNate]

Tough question to answer, obviously soneone should be able to practice whatever religion they choose. Your example about the university I would say the school would only have to accomadate a muslim, if they accomadate persons practicing other religions. I would think it would be discriminatory for any government to pass laws specifically targeting any religious group. Now this does not mean muslims should not to have to conform to other laws regarding human morality (i.e. murder, assault, stealing, etc).

 

[slat1]

LOL at Canada. They might have to raise your taxes to pay for those rooms!

 

[Gambino]

good to see canada has some balls
i would have figured they would capitulate in the name of PC

 

[slat1]

I have never heard the words "Canadian" and "balls" used in the same sentance before.
Very impressed.

 

[blueta2]

You see I agree. We have no balls (Canada that is) We are way too politically correct.
This is small town in Quebec (who by way are separatists and do not consider themselves Canadians).
I have no qualms about ppl wanting to express their religious beliefs, but not on my buck!
By the way, the university did give them their prayer room....and in my opinion, I think they did this b/c they were afraid of the retaliation from the Muslims.
When that cartoon came out a yr ago depicting Muslims in a bad light or when the Pope diss'ed them, they went Banana's here in Montreal and were causing trouble in the city.
I cannot see a state like Texas putting up with this!

 

[Gambino]

bluepeter would def call that racist

 

[blueta2]

bluepeter would def call that racist

He prob would even though deep down he would agree with the laws.

 

[swolenole]

It's no racist....you still have to live by the laws of the country in which you reside...regardless of your culture or religion....

no different than the poligamy laws and the Mormons here in the states...

 

[blueta2]

It's no racist....you still have to live by the laws of the country in which you reside...regardless of your culture or religion....

no different than the poligamy laws and the Mormons here in the states...

I agree with you 101 %

 

[stosstruppe]

If you're incredulous to that, you should come stay in Britain for a while. A sizeable portion of our Muslim population want to live under Sharia law. In Britain.

 

[BBR100]

If you're incredulous to that, you should come stay in Britain for a while. A sizeable portion of our Muslim population want to live under Sharia law. In Britain.

...makes the article sound less ridiculous now.
I understand and agree with accepting different cultures but it's gotta go both ways.

 

[blueta2]

If you're incredulous to that, you should come stay in Britain for a while. A sizeable portion of our Muslim population want to live under Sharia law. In Britain.

Yeah I heard that.....tell us more!
How to the Brits feel about this?

 

[heatherrae]

I don't think they actually needed to pass seperate laws. They just needed to enforce the laws already in place, i.e. assault, battery, etc. I didn't really understand what they meant about not covering the face. That was the only part that really struck me as discriminatory if what they mean is that women are forbidden to cover their faces in the traditional burka except on Halloween. ??? Not sure if that is what they are intending.

I am not really keen to legislation that is pointless, duplicative, and impossible to enforce. What they really need is a public education initiative expecially starting with their kids in school. The first generations are probably hopeless, but maybe the kids can learn that stoning women for showing their faces is wrong.

 

[Raptorex]

screw the muslims, its a religion...not rule of law for an entire nation.

p.s. I love french-canadien babes.

 

[heatherrae]

If you're incredulous to that, you should come stay in Britain for a while. A sizeable portion of our Muslim population want to live under Sharia law. In Britain.

Gosh, makes you want to scream, doesn't it. They want all the benefits of our fine countries but want to spit in our faces when it comes to following our laws.

 

[manny78]

Fuck religions. Do your religious shit at home, dont bother others with that garbage.

 

[BBR100]

screw the muslims, its a religion...not rule of law for an entire nation.

p.s. I love french-canadien babes.

Totally agree

 

[stosstruppe]

How to the Brits feel about this?

Send them back on the boat to countries like Saudi Arabia, they'll be in for a nasty shock if they commit a crime such as stealing.

 

[blueta2]

I don't think they actually needed to pass seperate laws. They just needed to enforce the laws already in place, i.e. assault, battery, etc. I didn't really understand what they meant about not covering the face. That was the only part that really struck me as discriminatory if what they mean is that women are forbidden to cover their faces in the traditional burka except on Halloween. ??? Not sure if that is what they are intending.

I am not really keen to legislation that is pointless, duplicative, and impossible to enforce. What they really need is a public education initiative expecially starting with their kids in school. The first generations are probably hopeless, but maybe the kids can learn that stoning women for showing their faces is wrong.

I agree that they should not be allowed to cover their faces.
There was an incident at the University where one girl was writing her exam with her berka on and the teacher got suspicious and asked her to remove it. She would not. He then asked her to leave the exam to prove who she was...She was not the student but a friend writing the exam for her.
If I go live in their country, I would be forced to cover my face, not to mention my FABULOUS legs..haha! So when they come here, they need to respect our laws.
Like Manny says, religion should be left at home.

 

[blueta2]

screw the muslims, its a religion...not rule of law for an entire nation.

p.s. I love french-canadien babes.

Well they do not see it that way......

Damn...too bad I am not French ;-)

 

[heatherrae]

I agree that they should not be allowed to cover their faces.
There was an incident at the University where one girl was writing her exam with her berka on and the teacher got suspicious and asked her to remove it. She would not. He then asked her to leave the exam to prove who she was...She was not the student but a friend writing the exam for her.
If I go live in their country, I would be forced to cover my face, not to mention my FABULOUS legs..haha! So when they come here, they need to respect our laws.
Like Manny says, religion should be left at home.

dont' really need a seperate law about that. Just a university rule that, when asked, the student must confirm her id by showing her face. That already wouldn't fly with law enforcement, so they don't need to go passing a bunch of extra laws.

 

[blueta2]

dont' really need a seperate law about that. Just a university rule that, when asked, the student must confirm her id by showing her face. That already wouldn't fly with law enforcement, so they don't need to go passing a bunch of extra laws.

The article in todays' paper is saying this also. There are laws in Canada that they have to follow and there was no need for this town to pass different laws.
What I believe, this town passed these laws so immigrants will not go live there. Which I feel is not racist.

I want a law......when you eat non stop choc chips cookies, you'll never gain weight

 

[jackangel]

we don't have enough laws. for example, we also need these on the books, everywhere:

thou shalt not forcibly defecate in a person's mouth
thou shalt not bludgeon someone to death with a dildo

etc...

because, hey, if we don't draw a line in the sand, this shit will just keep happening over and over.

 

[velvett]

Yikes.

I think both sides might take a lesson from the Hasidic and Amish people - people practice their beliefs without imposing on other people (for the most part) who do not share their beliefs and at the same time (for the most part) they are left to do so.

Take for example the right for their prayer - I think that exceptions might be made to allow for their daily prayer but at the same time I don't think it should be their right to demand space for their belief.

In that vain we would need multiple Chapels, Synagogues and other religion appropriate place of prayer in every hospital and school.

No matter what it's lose:lose either way.

 

[Tweakle]

The concept of social integration of immigrants is actually completely unheard of outside of north America. There are whole areas of cities in the midlands (in england) where people won't speak, or learn english.

They want Sharia law instead of the oppression of a democratic government that provides them state housing and benefits.

 

[BBR100]

Well they do not see it that way......

Damn...too bad I am not French ;-)

You're still a hot Quebecoise!

Too bad you're not mute ;-)

 

[blueta2]

You're still a hot Quebecoise!

Too bad you're not mute ;-)

And too bad you're not 10 " ;-)

 

[blueta2]

Yikes.

I think both sides might take a lesson from the Hasidic and Amish people - people practice their beliefs without imposing on other people (for the most part) who do not share their beliefs and at the same time (for the most part) they are left to do so.

Take for example the right for their prayer - I think that exceptions might be made to allow for their daily prayer but at the same time I don't think it should be their right to demand space for their belief.

In that vain we would need multiple Chapels, Synagogues and other religion appropriate place of prayer in every hospital and school.

No matter what it's lose:lose either way.

The Omish are great ppl,
Hasidic's in Montreal....well they are like the Muslims up here..
here is a recent story for you


Dene Moore, Canadian Press
Published: Friday, November 10, 2006 Article tools

MONTREAL (CP) - They say good fences make good neighbours. Frosted windows, apparently, do not.


Some members of a Montreal YMCA and leaders of a neighbouring Hasidic Jewish synagogue are involved in a minor spat over windows and the state of dress, or rather undress, of some gym users.

"The issue seems to be with these four frosted windows," said Mayer Feig, director of the Jewish Orthodox Council for Community Relations, pointing to the offending parties - a row of frosted panes on the second floor at the back of the YMCA building.

Across an alley, a scant few metres away, is the back of the Hasidic Jewish Congregation Yetev Lev. Scant enough, it seems, that young boys and teens studying at the synagogue can look across into the windows, where they would have a full view of sweaty, spandex-covered bodies, stretching and bouncing in all manner of ways.

"You can see people dressed in some ways that we don't believe in dressing and we don't believe in our kids dressing and we don't believe in them seeing people (dressed that way)," said Feig.

So last February, a member of the Jewish community paid for the windows to be frosted, which in turn frosted Renee Lavaillante.

The Montreal woman, who takes three classes a week at the Y, said the issue isn't sunlight or the view. It's the principle.

"It's like the veil principle - if we represent a temptation, we must be hidden," Lavaillante said in an interview. "So, they hide us because we're in T-shirts and tights and exercising?"

She and a friend have started a petition to let the sunshine in. The've collected about 100 names over the past month.

It would be nice to have some sun and a view, Lavaillante said.

"But above all it's the principle, not to be hidden because we represent something bad."


He said a survey of the 300 to 400 people who practise aerobics, tai chi and yoga in the second-floor room found many, just like the Jewish congregation, wanted the windows covered.

"There's lots of members who don't like to be seen when they're doing physical activity," St-Andre said.

Jewish leaders say they don't understand the sudden uproar.

"It's not stopping anybody from coming to the Y and doing what they came here to do - exercise, swim, workout," Feig said, shaking his head.

He points to the pot-holed asphalt of the alley and a garbage truck collecting a bin, wondering what view Lavaillante could be talking about.

Abraham Perlmutter, a synagogue spokesman, said religious leaders discussed it with YMCA management, who agreed to frost the windows.

"It's respect for our religion," Perlmutter said.

"Why should they antagonize us? It doesn't change anything for them."

 

[jerkbox]

I hope God send all these religious zealots to hell....you know, just as an ironic joke

 

[Raptorex]

LOLOLOL@ the Hasidic's as being non-imposing, see Hillary Clinton election as Senator for citation.

 

[Longhorn85]

Quebcers are one of the world's most notoriously racist and xenophobic people.

Yep, right there in bleeding-heart liberal Canada.

 

[BBR100]

Quebcers are one of the world's most notoriously racist and xenophobic people.

Yep, right there in bleeding-heart liberal Canada.

How do you figure?

 

[HiDnGoD]

This is a big controversy in Quebec right now. This is a town way outside Montreal that adopted this new law (read below)
This law was passed due to the major influx of Muslims coming into Quebec.
Like in Britain, many Muslims are coming into Canada (mostly in Montreal) and demanding that their way of life be accepted by us.
Example, they go to University and expect Canadian tax payers to pay for a prayer room so they can pray a few times a day. Etc.
Many Muslims have come to Canada and live their way of life ignoring many of our laws.
Hence the new laws past in this town!
What do you think.....Racist or not!?!


Welcome to Herouxville
Don't stone women

Published: Sunday, January 28, 2007

A rural Quebec town has taken the unusual step of formally declaring it is forbidden to stone women in public - part of a list of "norms" it says is aimed at potential immigrants.

Herouxville, about 165 kilometres northeast of Montreal, adopted a resolution at a council meeting this month that outlines what elected officials consider to be the town's official behavioural norms.

The document, sent to both the provincial and federal governments, states "a woman can ... drive a car, sign cheques, dance, decide on her own."

However, covering one's face other than on Halloween, burning women alive or burning them with acid is not considered acceptable.

The document also points out to potential immigrants that Quebecers are used to receiving medical services from members of the opposite sex and that boy and girls often swim in the same pool.

"Don't be surprised," the document reads. "For us, it's normal."

Andre Drouin, who spearheaded the move to list norms, said the document was a response to what some perceive to be excessive accommodation newcomers to the province receive.

Herouxville does not have any immigrants among its population of 1,300.

But Drouin said that could change given the Quebec government's policy of encouraging newcomers to the province to settle outside urban centres.


you can read more here

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=bca2b544-518e-4163-a29d-4fe8c23d1910&k=95849

Based on your post, the only thing I wouldn't sgree with is the face covering. If the woman wants to do it, why not? Stoning should be banned, in public, & in private. I saw a video of a stoning. It was horrible.

 

[blueta2]

Quebcers are one of the world's most notoriously racist and xenophobic people.

Yep, right there in bleeding-heart liberal Canada.

World most notorius? You're talking w/out knowledge!
I've been to cities in upstate NY and to Philly and let me tell you, racism is ALIVE and well in the US more so that in Quebec.

 

[bluepeter]

lol

People should be allowed to practice their religion at all times unless it infringes on the laws of the land they choose to live in. Period.

Passing a law saying it is illegal to stone women is just stupid and is a racist statement directed at muslims.

Passing a law saying it is illegal for a woman to cover her face is also idiotic and the example cited in this thread in support is a one-of.

In addition, statements in this thread about 'if I go to their country.......' are just silly. You choose to live in a country like Canada or the United States so YOU won't have to live in a repressive society like that. So by what logic do you then say countries such as ours should adopt similiar attitudes?

Longhorn - you're absolutely correct.

 

[velvett]

LOLOLOL@ the Hasidic's as being non-imposing, see Hillary Clinton election as Senator for citation.

Strict Orthodox don't even associate with non Orthodox.
I've done some houses for them in Brooklyn - they go out of their way to separate themselve in business and home.

I also said for the most part - meaning not all - like all people their are a undesirable bunch among them all.


Hillary's not exactly popular with the NRA either...

 

[mountain muscle]

Anyone who associated muslim with race in this thread is foolish at best.
Muslim is a religion.

 

[Scotsman]

Anyone who associated muslim with race in this thread is foolish at best.
Muslim is a religion.

Exactly religion has nothing to do with race. Anyone of any race can be a muslim. So no it isn't racist since there is no race involved here.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[velvett]

The Omish are great ppl,
Hasidic's in Montreal....well they are like the Muslims up here..
here is a recent story for you

That's like a lovers spat - I wouldn't call that a problem.

I have to totally side with Mayer Feig on that one though.

Besides - how much training are you doing if you have so much time to focus on the view and quality of light?

 

[biteme]

Bunch of racists up in here.

 

[velvett]

Anyone who associated muslim with race in this thread is foolish at best.
Muslim is a religion.

Exactly religion has nothing to do with race. Anyone of any race can be a muslim. So no it isn't racist since there is no race involved here.

Cheers,
Scotsman

It's not racism it's social discrimination based on religious belief. People always confuse them because racism is a type of social discrimination.

 

[Scotsman]

It's not racism it's social discrimination based on religious belief. People always confuse them because racism is a type of social discrimination.

That and most people believe that all muslims are middle eastern.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[mountain muscle]

It's not racism it's social discrimination based on religious belief. People always confuse them because racism is a type of social discrimination.

I don't see it as discrimination. They are forcing their views on others.
Why should any citizen have to accept their religion or make any accomodations for them?

 

[velvett]

I don't see it as discrimination. They are forcing their views on others.
Why should any citizen have to accept their religion or make any accomodations for them?

Oh - I was just commenting on what the proper wordage would be for people who do think it's discriminatory.

I personally don't think that accomodations should be made based on religious beliefs.


But for the record - I think the frosted windows is just an act of good taste really regardless of what building the YMCA happens to be next to.

 

[mountain muscle]

Oh - I was just commenting on what the proper wordage would be for people who do think it's discriminatory.

I personally don't think that accomodations should be made based on religious beliefs.


But for the record - I think the frosted windows is just an act of good taste really regardless of what building the YMCA happens to be next to.

Actually I think the popular term is bigot.


And LOL. I love you.

Won't save you from hip checks from me though.

 

[velvett]

That and most people believe that all muslims are middle eastern.

Cheers,
Scotsman

And that all middle easterners are muslim...

LOL

I have two friends from college - one is North African he's Muslim and of French and N. African descent - now a restaurant owner; the other is Middle Eastern, he's Jewish and of Iranian and Armenian descent - now works in the family biz in the garment district of NYC.

You just never know.

My father - Middle Eastern - Agnostic

Go figure

 

[Scotsman]

And that all middle easterners are muslim...

LOL

I have two friends from college - one is North African he's Muslim and of French and N. African descent - now a restaurant owner; the other is Middle Eastern, he's Jewish and of Iranian and Armenian descent - now works in the family biz in the garment district of NYC.

You just never know.

My father - Middle Eastern - Agnostic

Go figure

I've met white muslims from the US, black muslims from Africa, and middle eastern Catholics.

And all the way around I didn't give a shit what they believed as long as they were cool to talk to.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Deleted member 33117]

People who are PC about the demands of Muslims make me really wish to make a religion that absolutely requires my local government to give me an annual tithe of 1 million dollars or I will be in sin. After all we would not want laws and social norms to be imposed upon someone's chosen religion, even if their beliefs are unreasonable.

 

[Longhorn85]

World most notorius? You're talking w/out knowledge!
I've been to cities in upstate NY and to Philly and let me tell you, racism is ALIVE and well in the US more so that in Quebec.

I am not speaking without knowledge. I have heard your tales of brief visits to Philly where you saw all of those dreadful black people and were afraid to get out of your car.

In Quebec racism is legislated.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/01/15/mtl-racism.html

" in Quebec, the Anglophones are the scapegoats.

This kind of attitude is held by a scary number of people here in Quebec. It's the same xenophobia and narrow-mindedness that people in the Southern US who hate Blacks, or Gays, or Jews hold. It's the same result of poor education and brainwashing from childhood.

Only here in Quebec, there are laws to uphold it."

http://www.geocities.com/segacs2/html/politics.html

Mind you, I have no problem with Quebec or Canadians, in fact my wife is Canadian. I just tire of people like you pointing fingers south when you've got loads of your own social problems.

 

[rykertest]

when in Rome...

 

[HiDnGoD]

I am not speaking without knowledge. I have heard your tales of brief visits to Philly where you saw all of those dreadful black people and were afraid to get out of your car.

In Quebec racism is legislated.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/01/15/mtl-racism.html

" in Quebec, the Anglophones are the scapegoats.

This kind of attitude is held by a scary number of people here in Quebec. It's the same xenophobia and narrow-mindedness that people in the Southern US who hate Blacks, or Gays, or Jews hold. It's the same result of poor education and brainwashing from childhood.

Only here in Quebec, there are laws to uphold it."

http://www.geocities.com/segacs2/html/politics.html

Mind you, I have no problem with Quebec or Canadians, in fact my wife is Canadian. I just tire of people like you pointing fingers south when you've got loads of your own social problems.

That's one of the things that frustrates all other Canadians. The fact that the rest of Canada bends over backwards to accomodate the French language, yet in Quebec they hate the English.
My own experience, many years ago, kinda tainted my views. I was in the army, & some of the French soldiers only spoke or understood English when it suited them. If you were English & tried to tell them to do something they would conveniently not understand. Now I understand, most French are not like that. Most of the French guys in my regiment, I liked. But all it took was those few to colour my judgement. and every time I hear about referendums & separatin & language laws, it reinforces that judgement.

 

[paradox]

Hell fuckin no its not racist. You adapt to the customs and courtesys of your resideing country. What would people think if I went to Iran and started delivering christmass trees to everyone while dressed up like santa?

 

[blueta2]

That's one of the things that frustrates all other Canadians. The fact that the rest of Canada bends over backwards to accomodate the French language, yet in Quebec they hate the English.
My own experience, many years ago, kinda tainted my views. I was in the army, & some of the French soldiers only spoke or understood English when it suited them. If you were English & tried to tell them to do something they would conveniently not understand. Now I understand, most French are not like that. Most of the French guys in my regiment, I liked. But all it took was those few to colour my judgement. and every time I hear about referendums & separatin & language laws, it reinforces that judgement.

You are correct and I am a Anglo Quebecois and I am treated like filth by the french most of the time.

Longhoron, you're talking outta your ass pal!

 

[blueta2]

Hell fuckin no its not racist. You adapt to the customs and courtesys of your resideing country. What would people think if I went to Iran and started delivering christmass trees to everyone while dressed up like santa?

I also agree.....this doesn't make a racist!

 

[Longhorn85]

You are correct and I am a Anglo Quebecois and I am treated like filth by the french most of the time.

Longhoron, you're talking outta your ass pal!

Then how can you agree with HG dummy? I know, the truth hurts. Its okay, no one (city, country, province) is perfect.

 

[blueta2]

Then how can you agree with HG dummy? I know, the truth hurts. Its okay, no one (city, country, province) is perfect.

stick with your own politics. You know SQUAT about ours OBVIOUSLY dummy!

 

[Longhorn85]

stick with your own politics. You know SQUAT about ours OBVIOUSLY dummy!

News flash for you: my politics are your politics. Just pay attention to our elections as I am sure you do so you'll know who the next leader of the free world is.

 

[rykertest]

lol

People should be allowed to practice their religion at all times unless it infringes on the laws of the land they choose to live in. Period.

Passing a law saying it is illegal to stone women is just stupid and is a racist statement directed at muslims.

Passing a law saying it is illegal for a woman to cover her face is also idiotic and the example cited in this thread in support is a one-of.

In addition, statements in this thread about 'if I go to their country.......' are just silly. You choose to live in a country like Canada or the United States so YOU won't have to live in a repressive society like that. So by what logic do you then say countries such as ours should adopt similiar attitudes?

Longhorn - you're absolutely correct.

So which is worse, passing that law or not and having some savages actually stone a woman to death? It only takes once man.

 

[HiDnGoD]

So which is worse, passing that law or not and having some savages actually stone a woman to death? It only takes once man.

I've seen a young girl get stoned. Not good. The finish was a young lad of about 10 dropping a 15lb rock on her head. He could barely lift it.

 

[tanka]

Gentlemen there has been a very frank and vigorous `communication` between the west and muslims for around a thousand years.The cut and trust of this dialog has occupied the minds of many great men through out the many centuries.Much blood has been spilt in that time.Your life time on this earth is very short so everything appeares very new to you.It isnt.You will only ever see a small part of a far greater whole.This ideological battle will continue into the 21 century and beyond.The main reason for this to concern you is that its weapons are about to become unconventional and very far reaching in delivery.In the mean time as you reflect on this and the middle east in general, remember the word Islam really does mean peace.

 

[tanka]

A GUARDIAN ARTICLE The word sharia means "the path to a watering hole". It denotes an Islamic way of life that is more than a system of criminal justice. Sharia is a religious code for living, in the same way that the Bible offers a moral system for Christians.

Within sharia law, there is a specific set of offences known as the Hadd offences. These are crimes punished by specific penalties, such as stoning, lashes or the severing of a hand. The penalties for Hadd offences are not unHadd offences carry specific penalties, set by the Koran and by the prophet Mohammed. These include unlawful sexual intercourse (outside marriage); false accusation of unlawful intercourse; the drinking of alcohol; theft; and highway robbery. Sexual offences carry a penalty of stoning to death or flogging while theft is punished with cutting off a hand. adAmina Lawal, 30, has been sentenced to death by stoning - a fate which would involve being buried up to her neck in sand and have rocks thrown at her head. However, the Islamic court has ruled that the penalty cannot be carried out until Lawal has finished breastfeeding her baby daughter, Wasila, which the judge said would not be before January 2004.

Meanwhile, the sentence is provoking civil unrest, with riots breaking out between Christian and Muslim communities over how far the rule of sharia might spread.
Sharia sure ain’t gay
Muhammad and the homosexual
Article by James Malcolm Arlandson.
In February 1998, the Taliban, who once ruled in Afghanistan, ordered this punishment for three men convicted of sodomy:

On Wednesday, the Taleban ordered the execution of three men for sodomy in the southern town of Kandahar, southern Afghanistan. They were ordered to be buried alive under a pile of stones and a wall was pushed on top of them by a tank.

Their lives were to be spared if they survived for 30 minutes and were still alive when the stones were removed.

Simple and clear reason says that executing homosexuals is wrong today, but where do the Taliban get the punishment of pushing a wall on the guilty men? Also, the article reports that while the religious police were meting out a flogging on a woman for fornication, a speaker chanted, "Thanks to God that we are followers of God not of the West." This devout Muslim understands the deeper, spiritual conflict—two religious systems are at work.

Sodomy is a crime, for which both partners are punished. The punishment is death if the participants are adults, of sound mind and consenting; the method of execution is for the Shari'a judge to decide.

Everyone seems to be treated equally badly.

 

[BBR100]

Quebcers are one of the world's most notoriously racist and xenophobic people.
Yep, right there in bleeding-heart liberal Canada.

Ignorant comment.

 

[habitualhealth]

this thread makes me uncomfartable....i love errybody.

 

[big4rt]

Well some bastard from Africa (and, I am Black-American so chill) living here in the US decided it was just OK, fine and dandy to circumsize his underage daughter. This is acceptable where he comes from. So, I don't blame our little brothers up north for implementing that law. When people come to a new country like the US or Canada they need to assimilate to OUR countries--pretty much the same damn way they expect us to respect their rules and laws when we visit their place.

 

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All about government quotas. Make sure they don't try to take over your country by using their fucking religion as a springboard! America has almost sold out herself by the "wealthy and fuck you society"!!!

 

[tanka]

When people come to a new country like the US or Canada they need to assimilate to OUR countries--pretty much the same damn way they expect us to respect their rules and laws when we visit their place.

That is a very valid point.Some seem to assimilate better than others.Perhaps they need to show more effort.

BIRMINGHAM, England Jan 31, 2007 (AP)— Counterterrorism

Counterterrorism police arrested nine men in an alleged kidnapping plot Wednesday a plan that reportedly involved torturing and beheading a British Muslim soldier and broadcasting the killing on the Internet.
The kidnapping plot was the first of its kind to be uncovered in Britain, according to counterterrorism officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

Police would not confirm the potential victim's occupation or details of the plot that was unraveled in the predominantly Pakistani neighborhood in central England. A dozen houses and two Islamic bookshops were cordoned off and being searched.

Since suicide bombers killed 52 people in London on July 7, 2005 killings carried out by Muslim extremists who grew up in Britain counterterrorism units have conducted several raids across Britain. Several sweeps have been conducted in Birmingham, including a raid in August, when suspects were arrested in a major plot to use liquid explosives to blow up at least 10 planes between the United States and Britain.

The potential victim of the latest plot a British Muslim soldier was under police protection, Sky News reported, saying the kidnapping was going to end in an "Iraq-style" execution. The British Broadcasting Corp. also reported that the plan was to kidnap a soldier.

"The threat of terrorism has been growing over the years," said David Shaw, a police spokesman in Birmingham. The operation took months.

Birmingham is the hometown of Britain's first Muslim soldier to be killed in Afghanistan last year a death that prompted militant Islamist Web sites to denounce Cpl. Jabron Hashmi, 24, as a traitor. One site that of extremist British sect al-Ghurabaa posted an image of the soldier surrounded by flames.

Last year, a London street vendor was sentenced to six years in prison in a plot to kill a decorated British soldier. Abu Baker Mansha was accused of targeting Cpl. Mark Byles, whose address and other materials, were found in Mansha's apartment.