Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Been on it for a few days now.Muscles already feeling pumped.This morning,I made a mistake.I took 500mgs with nothing but a Met-Rx protein plus bar(low carb/sugar content).I nearly passed out.Got very lightheaded and dizzy.Hypo-city.Sort of reminds me of how DNP makes me feel on lower carbs,lol.Definitely very potent stuff at regulating insulin.
r-ALA...Powerful stuff!
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ulter said:
I will be taking weekly weight/tape-measurements buddy.Thanks to you and Macro for bringing out yet another kick-ass supp.
Hugh Gellatts
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it does make you sorta lightheaded. if you take it before lifting i'd sip a carb drink the whole time.
Japanese machine
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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Hey Huck, what up bro
Next time i buy ala im gonna plan on getting some R-ala. I was just wondering....assuming you have used both S and R, is their "that" much of a difference between the two kinds? i understand you dont need to take as much for similar effects but is their a potency facter here or just a higher concentration so to speak.
thanks
Both have worked well for me in terms of pumps,but in all fairness,I did not monitor my composition with the S like I am doing here,so I really can't make a valid comparison there.I do know that I did not see a dramatic change with the S until I reached the 3 gram/day mark,while half that is working so far with the r.
Controlled trials prove that even racemic (R,S)-lipoic acid helps people become more sensitive to insulin - that is, less insulin resistant. But research shows that only the R(+)-Lipoic Acid half of conventional "lipoic acid" supplements makes the body's cells more responsive to insulin. In fact, in some ways the S(-)-form actually makes it harder for your body to healthily process blood sugar!
Scientists compared the response to insulin in the muscle cells of insulin-resistant lab animals injected with either straight S(-)-enantiomer, or pure R(+)-lipoic acid. It immediately became obvious that R(+)-Lipoic Acid was superior. Using a special, "traceable" form of glucose to monitor the two enantiomers' effects, the very first treatment with R(+)-Lipoic Acid caused the animals' muscle cells to take up 31% more glucose in response to insulin, which was 64% more glucose than under basal (non-insulin-stimulated) conditions. By contrast, S(-)-lipoic acid caused no significant increase in muscle cell glucose transport.
Scientists compared the response to insulin in the muscle cells of insulin-resistant lab animals injected with either straight S(-)-enantiomer, or pure R(+)-lipoic acid. It immediately became obvious that R(+)-Lipoic Acid was superior. Using a special, "traceable" form of glucose to monitor the two enantiomers' effects, the very first treatment with R(+)-Lipoic Acid caused the animals' muscle cells to take up 31% more glucose in response to insulin, which was 64% more glucose than under basal (non-insulin-stimulated) conditions. By contrast, S(-)-lipoic acid caused no significant increase in muscle cell glucose transport.
Best/cheapest place to locate CLA/GLA?
ulter said:
Nutrient partitioning at its finest,which also means higher potential for increased ATP synthesis.Translation>STRENGTH
Japanese machine
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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Thanks sir; i guess ill have to try it out on my own next "cycle", lol.
macrophage69alpha
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looking into the CLA.. will keep apprised.. though some of the study data is promising..
MOST of the data I've read on Conjugated Linoleic Acid has been extremely positive,both from a general health standpoint,as well as it having ergogenic capabilities in the higher daily doses.
Couple of side notes I failed to mention earlier regarding r-ALA:
1-ZERO stomach discomfort/acid reflux,even at the half gram in one sitting mark.
2-Strong,pungent odor to urination,which I know a lot of folks have NOT been having.
BTW,for Macro's benefit,Huckster is in his 30's
Couple of side notes I failed to mention earlier regarding r-ALA:
1-ZERO stomach discomfort/acid reflux,even at the half gram in one sitting mark.
2-Strong,pungent odor to urination,which I know a lot of folks have NOT been having.
BTW,for Macro's benefit,Huckster is in his 30's
CLA..
not the cheapest, but the life extention foundation www.lef.org (i THINK) has CLA with a bit of Guarana added. Studies show this combo to work even better. Members get a 25% discount on everything. Pm me and I'll get it for you at cost less 25% if you are interested. I also mix DR.Proctors shampoo( from lef) with 2% Nizoral. I own a sports nutrition shop/tanning salon, but I gave this CLA ashot...also, re: r-ala, I have been using for a while now, I'm not getting any sides...even when I take it with protein only...for example I had an rtd 40 and that's it this am with 100mg r-ala, and I feel nothing....I've started to mix the two:
w/o days:
Breakfast 60gr carbs 100mg r-ala
Post w/o endurox eas synthovol 80 carbs 500mg s-ala (200mg in synthovol)
Lunch 35-40 carbs 100mg r-ala
afternoon snack 25 carbs 100mg r-ala
Dinner 30 carbs 100mg r-ala
evening mrp 100mg r-ala
Bed low carbs 100mg r-ala
I also supplement with arginine, I am wondering if this somehow is negating effects..I though I read something about this somewhere, anyone??
not the cheapest, but the life extention foundation www.lef.org (i THINK) has CLA with a bit of Guarana added. Studies show this combo to work even better. Members get a 25% discount on everything. Pm me and I'll get it for you at cost less 25% if you are interested. I also mix DR.Proctors shampoo( from lef) with 2% Nizoral. I own a sports nutrition shop/tanning salon, but I gave this CLA ashot...also, re: r-ala, I have been using for a while now, I'm not getting any sides...even when I take it with protein only...for example I had an rtd 40 and that's it this am with 100mg r-ala, and I feel nothing....I've started to mix the two:
w/o days:
Breakfast 60gr carbs 100mg r-ala
Post w/o endurox eas synthovol 80 carbs 500mg s-ala (200mg in synthovol)
Lunch 35-40 carbs 100mg r-ala
afternoon snack 25 carbs 100mg r-ala
Dinner 30 carbs 100mg r-ala
evening mrp 100mg r-ala
Bed low carbs 100mg r-ala
I also supplement with arginine, I am wondering if this somehow is negating effects..I though I read something about this somewhere, anyone??
I am the only one the smells "infomercial" here?????
Funny, I remember Huck posting some other threads that were also pretty direct promotion of AF store products. Then you add in a few posts from Ulter and some other MOD's and hopefully most will be able to read between the lines.
I nave no problem with anyone making a buck or supporting sponsors but at least state that what you are doing.
You can go ahead and delete my post now.....
Funny, I remember Huck posting some other threads that were also pretty direct promotion of AF store products. Then you add in a few posts from Ulter and some other MOD's and hopefully most will be able to read between the lines.
I nave no problem with anyone making a buck or supporting sponsors but at least state that what you are doing.
You can go ahead and delete my post now.....
Am I the only one who smells cynicism here?
Because a mod uses a product he reads about here he shouldn't post about it? Why?
There are 3 or 4 hundred people on this board who are using r-ALA and many of them posting. You think simply because someone is a mod there is something wrong with them posting results? Fonz posts results, is he an infomercial to you too?
Huck bought the product, used the product, knows about the product and just like anyone else is entitled to post his results without being ridiculed for it.
No one will delete your post. But if it were mine I would delete it myself.
Because a mod uses a product he reads about here he shouldn't post about it? Why?
There are 3 or 4 hundred people on this board who are using r-ALA and many of them posting. You think simply because someone is a mod there is something wrong with them posting results? Fonz posts results, is he an infomercial to you too?
Huck bought the product, used the product, knows about the product and just like anyone else is entitled to post his results without being ridiculed for it.
No one will delete your post. But if it were mine I would delete it myself.
Gambler said:
LOL,are you high on crack bro?There has only been one other product I have given a thumbs up to and that is the NYC(norephedrine/caffeine/yohimbine combo).I gave it a thumbs up AFTER I lost a SHITLOAD of BF on it in a VERY short amount of time.It worked fantastic for me.Uhh,should I just keep quiet and not share my enthusiasm about something that has worked very well for me to make you happy?Maybe I better not share my results on any upcomming A/S cycles either,or you may accuse me of trying to promote Ttokkyo,organon,etc...BTW,I suggest you read a few more of my posts,as you'll see there are PLENTY of products I have raved about outside of AF's,including Met-rx's protein powders/MRP's,and their effervescent(ionized)creatine product,CR-10.I absolutely LOVE their line.Now,would you like to accuse me of an 'infomercial' of their products as well?Don't patronize me dude.
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Frackal
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To be honest the reason AF products probably get such good results is becuase well, they actually fucking work. The NYC is good (though I havent tried any other brand)... Now I was using oxandrolone, liquidex, r-ala and yohimburn and in about 3.5 weeks after I ended the bulking portion of my test cycle, I swear I went from around 11%bf to 8%, it was very impressive. Hard to tell what had the biggest effect but I know for sure yohimburn works on the abs because I was leaner in the spot I applied it VS the other parts. I just wish r-ala and yohimburn was a bit cheaper, but I understand the situation with the r-ala....it's going to be really shitty when the price goes up.
MrQuestion
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Im curious about giving this product a try, but I just haven't jumped unto the ship so to speak since my last trial with ALA did not pan that I hoped too. DIdn't notice any increase in muscle nor any loss in fat (or any more prevention in fat) and that's with using two different brands of ALA. It gave me awesome pumps (especially the higher end dose) on the carb up days and didn't bloat me as much, but other than that, didn't not notice jack shit.
Whenever the price drops for R-ALA, I might give it a shot. Im happy with nicotine gum and bromo (low dose) in aid to support a positive body composition.
Whenever the price drops for R-ALA, I might give it a shot. Im happy with nicotine gum and bromo (low dose) in aid to support a positive body composition.
Ex_banana-eater
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do you guys take r-ala or ala after lifting or do you just spare it because your muscles are already ultra insulin sensitive?
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Fonz said:
damn...i've been doing:
3-4 grams ALA or 1-1200 grams R-ALA
4 Grams CLA
10 Grams Fish oil (and 2 tblspn flax)
You suppose my 4 grams of CLA is underdosed (i'm only 170 or so)? also you think the addition of GLA would be necessary? i agree though, this combo seems to combat any fat gain i would normally be accruing with my high calorie diet i'm on. but if you've seen evidence of the higher dose CLA and addition of GLA, i'd add that in too.
ulter said:
Okay,2 week results:So far,metabolically-wise,nothing dramatic,BUT-I have noticed I can get away with a few extra carbs here and there(particularly in the evening)where it would be disaster-city before.So it's definitely helping me utilize sugars more efficiently and not tacking them onto my ever-snail-like metabolism.
Where I am more surprised is what has occurred from a PERFORMANCE standpoint in the past couple of weeks...Beyond the pumps,strength/endurance has gradually and consistantly gone up,not dramatically,but consistantly.I've been able to add an extra rep on each excercise or an extra 5 lbs or so,and I seem to not be as dead on my feet toward the tail-end of my workout(likely due to increased glycogen/ATP storage).
SofaGeorge
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r-ALA has turned me into a complete diet slob. Maybe I respond to it too well. I don't have to be careful at all now about what I eat.
Yesterday's lunch was a jumbo hotdog smothered with everything... two slices of peperroni pizza... and a jumbo hand dipped icecream bar rolled in nuts. I'm eating like this every day... and r-ALA is easily holding me in the 8% bodyfat range.
Yesterday's lunch was a jumbo hotdog smothered with everything... two slices of peperroni pizza... and a jumbo hand dipped icecream bar rolled in nuts. I'm eating like this every day... and r-ALA is easily holding me in the 8% bodyfat range.
macrophage69alpha
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SofaGeorge said:
encouraging bad habits..
macrophage69alpha
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DaMan said:
as with anything response varies a lot, and is dependent on a large # of factors.. insulin sensitvity, glut-4 expression, glut-4 activity, hormone levels, mineral levels (particularly pottassium and chromium), etc....
macrophage69alpha said:
Hey quickie - although I thought I was VERY insulin sensitive (get fat off carbs easily), I can pop like 6 r-ALA with a slice of bread and get nowhere near hypo. What do you think the effects of increasing the recommended 100mg r-ala/30g CHO would be? And I mean DRASTICALLY increasing the amount of r-ALA ingested. I know at a certain point it'd be a waste of money, but since I don't seem to go hypo... thoughts?
macrophage69alpha
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DaMan said:
actually this probably means quite the opposite.
1. before increasing your r-ala dosage
a. increase dietary pottassium
b. increase chromium intake (cinnamon is a cheap easy way to do this and its cinnamides are implictated in some increase in sensitivity)
c. will post some more recs later.. its a sunday
macrophage69alpha
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mike1107 said:so, after all that input about r-ala, what is the average dosage for a man ?
it really depends on a lot of factors.. age, bodyfat, hormones levels, insulin sensitivity, etc..
but 1-2 caps per meal is a general reccomendation... higher bodyweights MAY require more 225+ and lower body weights less 150 or less.. these are generalizations.. as with ANY supplement.. finding YOUR INDIVIDUAL dosage takes a bit of time.. but most people can stick with the 1-2 caps per meal.. leaning toward 1 cap per.
someone post a good link for cheapest r-ala
CYPRIOSQUATS
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yeah i think the r-ala tends to make me cheat more to but it hasn't been hurting me at all yet and i eat like shit. My bodyfat has somewhat leveled off now but i also have been trying to get more calories because i am losing to much weight. I think i deffinately have better muscular indurance too.
macrophage69alpha
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clubhead said:
good Q..
answer.. ??
it really seems to vary.. a # of users report that r-ala has become.. "the eat what I want and dont care supplement".. or the "cheat and get away with it pill"...
ideally you should vary your diet to find how it affects YOU..
macrophage69alpha
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Steroid_Virgin
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why not make this a sticky?
so what is ideal in regards to using R-ala, GLA and CLA....what amount per meal...i have read that with every 25-40g of carbs 100mg of r-ala is key....
if i have a meal consisting of say 40g carbs, 50g protien and 10 grams fat...i should take at least 100mg r-ala (what gram of GLA and CLA should i take for this trifecta to be most effective???
i really want to utilize this combo for ideal fat loss....
thanks in advance...
if i have a meal consisting of say 40g carbs, 50g protien and 10 grams fat...i should take at least 100mg r-ala (what gram of GLA and CLA should i take for this trifecta to be most effective???
i really want to utilize this combo for ideal fat loss....
thanks in advance...
macrophage69alpha
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clubhead said:
100mg r-ala per meal
gla 800 to 1200mg per day
cla 3-6g per day (though am on the fence on this one, for efficacy)
ok...sorry to keep asking this, but is it ideal to take GLA and CLA in the same meal as R-ala????
i usually eat 6 meals a day...2 of those meals i usually include some flax seed oil as a fat source...i am limiting carb intake now....just want to get the best benefits from this combo.
i usually eat 6 meals a day...2 of those meals i usually include some flax seed oil as a fat source...i am limiting carb intake now....just want to get the best benefits from this combo.
macrophage69alpha
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just take the gla and cla spread throughout the day..
there is not "ultra" optimal dosing times.. with fatty acids effects on insulin sensitivity.. the action, at least seems, less related to time of intake.
there is not "ultra" optimal dosing times.. with fatty acids effects on insulin sensitivity.. the action, at least seems, less related to time of intake.
is this worth trying even on a very low carb diet??....i am only eating carbs --small amount pre-workout, simple carbs post and then a meal with protien and carbs (no fat, just in case of slin) 1 1/2 hours after post workout....
the CLA/GLA/r-ala combo is it better for regular diets with higher amounts of carbs???
sorry for so many questions on this subject..
the CLA/GLA/r-ala combo is it better for regular diets with higher amounts of carbs???
sorry for so many questions on this subject..
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Frackal
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I seem to retain alot of sub q water quickly after stopping r-ala for a few days.
macrophage69alpha
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ChrisOh said:
1. how long ago?
2. when was the last time you ate?
3. how old are you?
4. Gear?
5. bodyfat?
in the absence of ANY insulin the effect may be minimal.. ie the reason that ala and r-ala cannot be used to "cure" type 1 diabetes.
macrophage69alpha
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ChrisOh said:
interesting analysis.. "nearly collapsed, good stuff so far"..
though agree that is a sign of effective glucose clearance.
warning
OK so i've been on this 'lakers stack' of ALA/CLA/GLA for about a week now and i can definitively say that it's superior to R-LA alone. Had a workout tonight and followed this up with my usual malto/dex/whey shake. now usually I'll wait around 1.45 - 2hrs to follow this up with a solid meal but tonight I started getting the shakes after 1hr 15mins or so. I had even allowed for this with some extra carbs but I am definitely hypo right now and visibly shaking. JJJuuusssttt thought I let you all know how potent this combo is.
Thanks again for the insight Fonz
Also a question. Starflower oil is real expensive in Australia so I've just been using a brand of Evening Primrose Oil that has 25% extra GLA. Is EP an ok fat to be using? My does are:
r-ALA 5-9caps/day
CLA 9caps/day
GLA 875mg/day
I also take in 10g/day of Salmon Oil and some occasional flax.
OK so i've been on this 'lakers stack' of ALA/CLA/GLA for about a week now and i can definitively say that it's superior to R-LA alone. Had a workout tonight and followed this up with my usual malto/dex/whey shake. now usually I'll wait around 1.45 - 2hrs to follow this up with a solid meal but tonight I started getting the shakes after 1hr 15mins or so. I had even allowed for this with some extra carbs but I am definitely hypo right now and visibly shaking. JJJuuusssttt thought I let you all know how potent this combo is.
Thanks again for the insight Fonz
Also a question. Starflower oil is real expensive in Australia so I've just been using a brand of Evening Primrose Oil that has 25% extra GLA. Is EP an ok fat to be using? My does are:
r-ALA 5-9caps/day
CLA 9caps/day
GLA 875mg/day
I also take in 10g/day of Salmon Oil and some occasional flax.
Ulter and Macro,
I got in touch with Metagenics today. Briefly:
Q: The label states that your product is r-ALA is this correct? A: Yes
Q: Are you sure it is not just r heavy that it is in fact pure r? A: Yes
Now the chick i spoke to was just relaying my questions to their tech dept. so you may need something a little more solid than this. They aren't allow to send out info on their products so this is the best I can do from my end. Let me know if you find out anything.
I got in touch with Metagenics today. Briefly:
Q: The label states that your product is r-ALA is this correct? A: Yes
Q: Are you sure it is not just r heavy that it is in fact pure r? A: Yes
Now the chick i spoke to was just relaying my questions to their tech dept. so you may need something a little more solid than this. They aren't allow to send out info on their products so this is the best I can do from my end. Let me know if you find out anything.
Lift Chief
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Does anyone have any good websites handy to get cheap r-ala from?
There is only one website to buy it from right now. That will probably change some day but for now the best place is www.anabolicfitness.com
macrophage69alpha
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wanted to know thoughts on this please..thanks
is this worth trying even on a very low carb diet??....i am only eating carbs --small amount pre-workout, simple carbs post and then a meal with protien and carbs (no fat, just in case of slin) 1 1/2 hours after post workout....
the CLA/GLA/r-ala combo is it better for regular diets with higher amounts of carbs???
sorry for so many questions on this subject..
is this worth trying even on a very low carb diet??....i am only eating carbs --small amount pre-workout, simple carbs post and then a meal with protien and carbs (no fat, just in case of slin) 1 1/2 hours after post workout....
the CLA/GLA/r-ala combo is it better for regular diets with higher amounts of carbs???
sorry for so many questions on this subject..
macrophage69alpha
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clubhead said:
people do use with low carb... but if using that combination.. you dont need low carb.. the whole point of low carb is lowering plasma insulin (here you get that while keeping muscle glycogen, proper brain function, etc)
macrophage69alpha
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TommyGunns
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Very interesting thread.
I am interested in rALA for a CKD type diet.
I am interested in rALA for a CKD type diet.
macrophage69alpha
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TommyGunns said:
results are more mixed with CKD.. the whole point of which is to lower insulin levels.. the use of r-ala, even with carbs.. acheives this.. thus.. its use should allow carbs and not necesitate ckd for fat loss
macrophage69alpha
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MrMemphis said:
good chance that 300mg is too much for the amount of carbs ingested (in MRP)..
try 100mg
rottweiler75
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How does r-ala compare to just ala as far as antioxidant properties go? Curious to know how one measures this?
First keep in mind neither are very much of an anti-oxidant in their original form. They don't become powerful until the convert to dihydrolipoic acid which is VERY powerful. So the more you have the better. This is clearly why r-ALA is better for this purpose.
When you swallow a racemic lipoic acid tablet - the kind you get in nearly all "lipoic acid" supplements - both the S(-)- and the R(+)-Lipoic Acid are taken up into your blood and then transported to your cells. Already at this point, another advantage of R(+)-Lipoic Acid becomes clear: the R(+)-Lipoic Acid is dramatically more bioavailable than the S(-)-form.The peak concentration of plasma lipoic acid obtained from R(+)-Lipoic Acid is twice as great as from an equal amount of the S(-)-form 26 and the total R(+)-Lipoic Acid delivered into the plasma over the course of time is 60 to 85% greater than the total amount of the S(-)-form which ultimately reaches the plasma as well.
More importantly, studies show that R(+)-Lipoic Acid is taken up into the tissues to a greater degree than the S(-)-form. In one study scientists gave lab animals the R(+)-, the S(-)-, or the racemate form of lipoic acid - providing it by injection, so as to bypass the differences in absorption in the digestive system, and thus start the animals off on a level playing field. As expected, lipoic acid levels were the same in all three groups within the first hour as the injected lipoic acid made its way through the circulation. But three hours later, the animals which had received R(+)-Lipoic Acid had two to seven times more lipoic acid in the lenses of their eyes than animals given the same amount of the S(-)-form, and three times as much as the animals given the racemate form.
When you swallow a racemic lipoic acid tablet - the kind you get in nearly all "lipoic acid" supplements - both the S(-)- and the R(+)-Lipoic Acid are taken up into your blood and then transported to your cells. Already at this point, another advantage of R(+)-Lipoic Acid becomes clear: the R(+)-Lipoic Acid is dramatically more bioavailable than the S(-)-form.The peak concentration of plasma lipoic acid obtained from R(+)-Lipoic Acid is twice as great as from an equal amount of the S(-)-form 26 and the total R(+)-Lipoic Acid delivered into the plasma over the course of time is 60 to 85% greater than the total amount of the S(-)-form which ultimately reaches the plasma as well.
More importantly, studies show that R(+)-Lipoic Acid is taken up into the tissues to a greater degree than the S(-)-form. In one study scientists gave lab animals the R(+)-, the S(-)-, or the racemate form of lipoic acid - providing it by injection, so as to bypass the differences in absorption in the digestive system, and thus start the animals off on a level playing field. As expected, lipoic acid levels were the same in all three groups within the first hour as the injected lipoic acid made its way through the circulation. But three hours later, the animals which had received R(+)-Lipoic Acid had two to seven times more lipoic acid in the lenses of their eyes than animals given the same amount of the S(-)-form, and three times as much as the animals given the racemate form.
What type of carbs, (low glyemic, high glycemic) and what quantity of carbs are being consumed on an ALA diet (200, 300g)? Also, what is the fiber content of these meals being injested (high fiber, low fiber) and when is the ALA being ingested relative to the meal, (before, during, after)? All of these factors will pay a role in how effective the r-ALA is? Can I get some input reguarding these factors from experienced r-ALA users, since I am curretly contemplating trying r-ALA vs regular ALA and I would like to maximize the effect of both so that a fair comparison can be made. Thanks bro's!!!
macrophage69alpha
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Primo_man said:
increase fiber will normally mean decrease dose
increase carbs will normally mean increase dose
r-ala should be ingested at beggining or just prior to meal..
macrophage69alpha
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Primo_man said:
given the actual effects.. that 30min half life.. is not entirely accurate.. and with slow digesting carbs you will almost certainly get and equivalent "taper" in absorption as the levels of r-ala decline..
though you should try it both ways to see what works best for you.. obviously digestion and absorption of both the carbs and uptake and breakdown/excretion of r-ala are very individual
ThePolishHammer
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Does
So can R-ALA help in building muscle? Or is it just for losing fat? I know insulin spikes are great for building mass. It sounds as though the R-ala might minimize their mass building effects
could anyone clarify?
So can R-ALA help in building muscle? Or is it just for losing fat? I know insulin spikes are great for building mass. It sounds as though the R-ala might minimize their mass building effects
could anyone clarify?
macrophage69alpha
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Re: Does
the amount of insulin needed for muscle uptake of aminos.. IS VERY SMALL.. there is no increase of amino influx with higher dosages..
the tissue that insulin is most "anabolic" in is ADIPOSE TISSUE.. FAT
ThePolishHammer said:
the amount of insulin needed for muscle uptake of aminos.. IS VERY SMALL.. there is no increase of amino influx with higher dosages..
the tissue that insulin is most "anabolic" in is ADIPOSE TISSUE.. FAT
Ok, but coudn't the possible absorption of r-ala be decreased if a fiber supplement (say 5g psyllum husk) was taken with the meal consisting of low glycemic carbs (sweet potato for example), in which some fat (fish oils) were added? I would assume so since the ala molecule has both hydrophillic and lipophillic, and because fiber has been shown to decrease absorption of fats onto which at least some of the r-ala would bind. Would this mean that dosing prior to a meal may be more benefical, or am I way off? Some thoughts?
macrophage69alpha
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theroretically, the above may have an impact. If you are concerned then take just prior to meal. the psyllium husk is not one that is widely used, but as far as fats impact... from anecdotal reports.. no "noticeable" impact.
Yes they go back up. It's not a cure. It is a supplement to the r-ALA your body already produces. By adding in more r-ALA to your system you reduce your insulin levels and dispose of your carbs into your muscle cells. So the muscle get stronger, the body fat comes down and your liver and you live a long happy life.
macrophage69alpha
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while insulin levels will rise with cessation.. they will likley be lower than before "treatment" particularly with the loss of fat. WHich increases insulin sensitivity.. there may be some restorative effects that last considerably after cessation..
basically you should be better off than before taking it.. how much will vary..
basically you should be better off than before taking it.. how much will vary..
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Frackal
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Macro did you just state that a higher level of insulin will not equate to a higher level of amino acids being delivered to the cell assuming there is an adequate supply of AA available?
macrophage69alpha
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Frackal said:
...yes..
Baby Gorilla
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GREAT NEWS FOR rALA USERS....
I hope this is permanent at AF, but you can get 12 bottles for the price of 10 in a bulk pack. Makes each bottle $16.63.
Costs a bit up-front, but if you KNOW you'll use it, might as well go for the cheaper price....I do that with protien powder.
I hope this is permanent at AF, but you can get 12 bottles for the price of 10 in a bulk pack. Makes each bottle $16.63.
Costs a bit up-front, but if you KNOW you'll use it, might as well go for the cheaper price....I do that with protien powder.
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Frackal
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So let's say I just injected 8ius of humalog and drank 75 grams of isopure along with 100grams of (phosphagen) dextrose and ginger root... (which I did)
If I were to intake the same things, only leaving out the humalog, there would likely be no difference in the amount of amino acids delivered to the cell?
If I were to intake the same things, only leaving out the humalog, there would likely be no difference in the amount of amino acids delivered to the cell?
macrophage69alpha
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Frackal said:
well it depends.. in a post workout state.. their MIGHT be greater uptake..
the data referenced was developed using a feeding from and unfed state.. so their MIGHT be differences..
but if you have normal secretion levels.. ??
the use of slin may have secondary effects on muscle gain.. due to water, fat and likely IM fat gain...(which likely allows greater training volume and stability.. plus sheer mass)
however it would seem that primary effects.. as stated above are minimal in the absence of a secretion issue.. with perhaps, PERHAPS, the exception of PW.. no benefit with respect to amino uptake.
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Frackal
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Isnt it said that lipoic acid products (dont know if 1 or other is better at this) increase both glucose and Amino acid uptake? Is this above and beyond what natural insulin can do?
This is confusing me a bit as i have read that along with the proper supply of protein a hyperaminoacidemia state can be achieved in the cell with the use of insulin....
This is confusing me a bit as i have read that along with the proper supply of protein a hyperaminoacidemia state can be achieved in the cell with the use of insulin....
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