r-ala making me gain fat

[perfectspecimen]

i have been taking 200-400mg r-ala before everymeal with carbs in it and i have noticed a few things.
1. i get cravings for sugar after i eat
2. i get real tired after i eat
3. i have gained 6lbs in a week and have lost my cuts

what is the reason behind this. i am eating like i usually do which is healthy.

 

[SOLID]

your most likely eating too many carbs thinking the r- ALA is a magic pill that will allow you not to store any excess calories. It's not magic, it will help shuttle nutrients to cells but any excess is going to be stored. Once a cell is full of glycogen the excess is stored.

Post your diet.

1. too many carbs will cause sugar cravings
2. too many carbs will cause you to feel larthargic
3. too many carbs/fat/protein= excess cals = 6lb gain and loss of cuts.

 

[perfectspecimen]

say i am eating about 60 grams of carbs at a meal. i am taking 300mg of r-ala and feeling tired and gaining a lot of weight. should i be eating less carbs or taking more r-ala?

 

[Ulter]

No don't take more. That's plenty. You have to eat more complex carbs, protein and good fat. You are disposing of your simple carbs very quickly with the r-ALA which can lead you to want to eat more of them if you don't have something else in your stomach. Either that or tough it out for a half hour or so and the craving will subside. In any event don't shove in more simple carbs, you'll get fat doing that.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

take less r-ala.. you are getting hypogylcemic

HOW OLD ARE YOU?

where do you store your bodyfat?

are you on cycle?

if so what?
include aromatase inhbitors and anti-estrogens..

these can be a big factors in how much r-ala you should be taking..

 

[perfectspecimen]

I got it from anabolicfitness

i am finishing up a cutting cycle with fina/anavar/proviron/arimidex/bromocriptine and 5g creatine

i was getting real solid and cut until i started the r-ala.
i got all bloated and gained a lot of weight.

i never said i actually ate more simple sugars i am just craving them.

today here is what i did

breakfast- 300mg r-ala
5 eggs
one bagel

lunch- 200mg r-ala
corned beef sandwich on rye with tomato soup and peanuts

dinner- 300mg r-ala
another corned beef sandwich on rye with a garden salad and peanuts

i am not taking in a lot of calories since i am cutting but now everything i eat goes right into me and stays there.

need info
should i lower the dose, as you see i eat no simple sugars

 

[macrophage69alpha]

that appears to be a very high fat diet..

couple of factors at work here.. you were probably glycogen depleted before.. so you are getting water from the glycogen..

you may(probably) be dehydrated..

you are probably taking too much r-ala..

 

[Frackal]

That's a horrid diet

 

[MrRTTB]

for me it looks like your eating to much carbs with fat. Also, eat more often. Lower carbs, increase protein and eat more good fats like omega3. Don't know about r-ala, but ALA makes me bloat a bit in the beginning when I take it.

 

[perfectspecimen]

what would you suggest i be eating and how much,
i am 244lbs 9%bf

 

[scout420]

Bro what are you thinking your cutting and for breakfast your having 5 eggs and a bagel and than corned beef twice a day. no fuckin wonder your putting on fat.Damn man.Fix that diet up have some egg whites instead of 5 whole eggs.Maybe a piece of wheat bread instead of a bagel.And for gods sake have some tuna,chicken,or a turkey sandwich and toss that corned beef out the window.For real thats the worst cutting diet I have ever seen.

 

[perfectspecimen]

The thing is fat doesnt make you fat, carbs do. I am a true believer in the high fat high protein low carb diet to cut. I was getting extremely ripped with the way i am eating until i took r-ala. I stopped it and i already am losing weight (fat/water)

I think r-ala should only be used for bulking which i will use it for because it shuttles everything you eat into your body without wasting it. I have gone on low fat diets before and they dont work, the only thing that works for me (blood type o neg) is a diet high in fat and low in carbs.
and i dont eat any simple sugars either on this diet

 

[macrophage69alpha]

The thing is fat doesnt make you fat, carbs do. I am a true believer in the high fat high protein low carb diet to cut. I was getting extremely ripped with the way i am eating until i took r-ala. I stopped it and i already am losing weight (fat/water)

I think r-ala should only be used for bulking which i will use it for because it shuttles everything you eat into your body without wasting it. I have gone on low fat diets before and they dont work, the only thing that works for me (blood type o neg) is a diet high in fat and low in carbs.
and i dont eat any simple sugars either on this diet

all of the above indicates that you are insulin insensitive.. that is why you have had good results with a low carb diet..

with r-ala you should be able to get the same or better results with a low fat moderate carb diet...

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Yeah, i agree. R-ALA is tough to work into a cutting diet if you go moderat fat/high protein/low carb. what i do is take in the majority of my carbs 50% post w/o and 50% in another big meal. i take 3 R-ALA caps each time since there are anywhere from 60-over 100 carbs each time. all other meals are mainly metrx/whey/flax which has no carbs at all practically. i will see how this works. but i also agree that higher fat and protein while dropping down the carbs helps me burn fat at an amazing rate. some people are extra sensitive to carbs.

 

[perfectspecimen]

After i eat a meal high in carbs i get very tired. This is before i started the r-ala.

That is why i limit my carb intake. I eat a lot of protein and in turn a lot of fat. Should i only be taking r-ala when i am eating a lot of carbs and low fat instead of at every meal.

i dont want to change my diet to low fat high carbs because i know that wont work for me.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Should i only be taking r-ala when i am eating a lot of carbs and low fat instead of at every meal?

given what you want.. this is probably the best option.. the lower the fat.. the better

 

[MrQuestion]

I cant comment on R-ALA but ALA did jack shit for my body composition. It did however allow me to hold less water on a carb up/refeed and gave me a better pump.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I cant comment on R-ALA but ALA did jack shit for my body composition. It did however allow me to hold less water on a carb up/refeed and gave me a better pump.

age?
on cycle?
estro or andro fat pattern?
info appreciated

 

[MrQuestion]

I posted a detailed result on a different forum.

Age is in the mid 20's.
Not used during a cycle, mainly through a refeed and bulking diet.
Kept accurate bodyfat measurements via Slimguide calipers while using different dosages, example 200mg per meal and at one instance 500mg (it may have been 400mg but Ill double check). Some days I would end up with 1-2 grams and one instance of up to 5 grams.

Body composition was no different than doing a refeed or eating above maintenance with no ALA.

I did however experience holding much less water and getting a pump. So appearance wise in that aspect it did make a difference.

I also noticed that timing is pretty crucial (taking along side with meal offered no help it seems since I notice I would get the low blood sugar blues even afer I finished a meal) Taking it 10-20 minutes (and depending if stomach was empty or not) beforehand helped.

I have estro fat patterns

 

[MrQuestion]

Actually, I take that back. I do have a tad bit of fat under my nipply but I have very lean legs. Most of the fat I carry seems to be in the love handles, abs and a bit on the arm. I hate tank tops even at low body fat percentages.

 

[40butpumpin]

age?
on cycle?
estro or andro fat pattern?
info appreciated

Macro, could please tell me the difference between estro and andro fat patterns. I have a definite fat pattern (love handle area, lower abs, chest slightly and face on jawline) but don't know which it is or how to treat it. Thanks for any help.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

mr. question,

younger people with estro fat pattern will more often than not be decently insulin sensitive.. which is why you probably did not see much with ALA.

You would likely see at least some more result with r-ala.. as the plasma insulin lowering effect would still be beneficial..

with bulking racemic ALA should only be used post workout.. where elevated insulin is less detrimental..

r-ala is more versatile, but pattern of use may need to be tailored individually with buling cycles (there are a lot of secretion and sensitivty issues with respect to insulin while bulking)

 

[MrQuestion]

Im not sure if you checked out the following post I made, but I carry most of my fat in love handles and abs (tiny bits under nipple, but very little) and some on arms.

I thought estro fat patterns would predominatly be in legs and chest.

But thanks for sharing the other info.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Macro, could please tell me the difference between estro and andro fat patterns. I have a definite fat pattern (love handle area, lower abs, chest slightly and face on jawline) but don't know which it is or how to treat it. Thanks for any help.

classic age related estrogenic fat pattern.

1. add aromatase inhibitor.. pretty much permanently
you should be able to get a script.. low dose.. as you need estro for its cardio vascular benefits

2. ala or r-ala should benefit you in your fat loss as sensitivity drops with age.. and you are in the strong responder category

3. you are also an ideal candidate for yohimburn (topical yohimbine. for those that dont know)