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SirWanksalot
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Heres a good read detailing the pros of R+ALA versus commonly available ALA
http://www.r-lipoic.com/index_1.htm
http://www.r-lipoic.com/index_1.htm
R+ALA - good information site
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juggernaut7
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YEAH
u throw out a lot of informative articles and posts bro.kudos
u throw out a lot of informative articles and posts bro.kudos
juggernaut7
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forgot to mention
that my buddy and i are working ongetting bulk ala of the pure/good shit ,if anyone is interested in this drop me an email and we can discuss it.if not i will be posting availability of a few basic/high quality product/service here in the near future.peace bros.
that my buddy and i are working ongetting bulk ala of the pure/good shit ,if anyone is interested in this drop me an email and we can discuss it.if not i will be posting availability of a few basic/high quality product/service here in the near future.peace bros.
I am not highly read on the subject of R vs. S form ALA, except that one is more active in glucose disposal activity, but my take on this subject is that too many are putting too much emphasis on trying to obtain only the R-isomer. Very often the problem with trying to obtain a single isomer, of a normally racemic compound, is price.
The real question should be, "is the extra price going to improve effectiveness?" If the racemic mix (normal ALA) is 50% less active than R form, yet the R form is 4 times higher, then the cost is not justified. All one has to do is double the dose of the normal ALA, to obtain equal effect, and is still coming out cheaper.
The real question should be, "is the extra price going to improve effectiveness?" If the racemic mix (normal ALA) is 50% less active than R form, yet the R form is 4 times higher, then the cost is not justified. All one has to do is double the dose of the normal ALA, to obtain equal effect, and is still coming out cheaper.
Yes, if the information in the link above concerning the S- variety is false, then I agree it would make sense to find the best buy.
I have used several brands of ALA. They are not the same, even the ones with racemic mixtures. This leads me to the belief that all supposed racemics are not equimolar ratio (they don't have to be, I'm not arguing they are just that all brands might not be the same equivalency). For instance, one internet company commonly mentioned on this board apparently uses a racemic form. However, IMO there is no comparison to this racemic mix and Jarrow brand in terms of effect, even in higher doses. This leads me to believe there is a both a qualitative and quantitative effect with one of the ALA isomers, and that some brands apparently have more of one than the other. Whether this is due to impurities, raw material quality, etc I can only assume. If the S- form is not at all harmful or negating of the effects gained from a primarily R+form then one should choose the best value.
I do think that the S- form has certain effects that can be positive, and so I don't think it's a strictly black and white issue with either enantiomer. Good research for either isomer exists, but the application for fat loss purposes IME lends credence to higher quality raw materials. I think time will tell which isomer is best for fat loss/ muscle gain purposes.
I have used several brands of ALA. They are not the same, even the ones with racemic mixtures. This leads me to the belief that all supposed racemics are not equimolar ratio (they don't have to be, I'm not arguing they are just that all brands might not be the same equivalency). For instance, one internet company commonly mentioned on this board apparently uses a racemic form. However, IMO there is no comparison to this racemic mix and Jarrow brand in terms of effect, even in higher doses. This leads me to believe there is a both a qualitative and quantitative effect with one of the ALA isomers, and that some brands apparently have more of one than the other. Whether this is due to impurities, raw material quality, etc I can only assume. If the S- form is not at all harmful or negating of the effects gained from a primarily R+form then one should choose the best value.
I do think that the S- form has certain effects that can be positive, and so I don't think it's a strictly black and white issue with either enantiomer. Good research for either isomer exists, but the application for fat loss purposes IME lends credence to higher quality raw materials. I think time will tell which isomer is best for fat loss/ muscle gain purposes.
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