QV vs IP??

[uwanafight2]

HELLO

im about to order my spring cycle and i have to make a important decision

i can use one source and get a bunch of qv products, or use ip and save over 170$$.. i do kinda need the cash but if its a big difference in quality ..i will havta make do

need your opinions on what you think i should do
thanks
uwanafight2

 

[wartime100]

Qv is great gear. Ip is underdosed and inconsitant with doses. The only exception is his winstrol tabs. Go with qv.

 

[Ingram]

Stick to his tabs if anything; I wouldn't recomend his oils.

-Ingram

 

[doublebicep]

Heard IP winnys are decent. Wondering about API products...

 

[Spitz]

Qv.

 

[IronFist]

Heard IP winnys are decent. Wondering about API products...

meso is about the only board that has guys on the API shit...I'd have to buy a few tabs of all types and have them tested before I'd spend the cash on it...

 

[amenselah]

oh please guys, go IP or get human gear from europe..
QV is good but over price...lets do the math

IP sustanon.... tested at 280 mg.. buying 3cc ml is at 3.33 dollars a ml...
IP EQ tested by Canadian customs at 208 mg per ml at the same price as the Sus..

200 dollars for 60 ml of good shit....can u do better than that using QV?

bunch of fucking losers..? :

 

[SofaGeorge]

200 dollars for 60 ml of good shit....can u do better than that using QV?

bunch of fucking losers..? :

Since 50ml of QV enanthate sells for $70 on a lot of reliable lists... YES... damn near anybody can do better price wise and quaility wise than buying IP.

 

[tbro]

So.....can one assume that even at the underdosed IP products are still a better buy if one cannot perceive QV to be solid price wise.....3 10ml/300mg/ml sustanon bottles for $100 when they are dosed at 200,250,275 or whatever is better than 90% of what people get off this board I have found. As long as the stuff IP works on is real so what it if it is a little underdosed. As long as he does not make bottles with very little or no properties in them you come out okay. I understand that the board is always going to be hot and cold on IP, but there are too many sources that order from him and send you his product and call it a generic version and still charge the higher price. You know who you are too if you are doing that. What dosage of the 50ml QV EQ per mg and ml is for $70 and is that something that is widely known or just for those in the damn know. Fess up

 

[amenselah]

oh please... which list? is over 120 dollars

beside I get my sustanon at less than 2 dollars a ml from IP...
if u know a mexican dealer than can sell me 560 ml for less than 800 dollars let me know ..I will get it...

 

[ripped to shreads2]

which ip?
china or one based out of hodonin czech
i asume the china
the one from czech is a legit human grade
as far as comparing ip(china) to qv they both use high dose of benzyl alcohol both are good
you guys know the namew of the game depends on who you get it from you can get qv that has been fucked with same as ip or any gear
so i got a solution
buy a plane ticket to mexico prefebly find out what towns have good prices, or get a ticket to a near border town in us,
go shoping
eq ganabol 20-30 bucks
enathate 15-20 bucks
then buy vasoline and prepare to cross border, or better bring a girlfriend along that has a loose vagina, not only will you be getting cheap roids but can also make the trip a litlle get away

so which would be a biger pain in the ass??
overpaing?
or the 50cc jug of eq in your rectum

 

[nuh_mizer]

Made in a Lab or made in a bathtub.

 

[amenselah]

or better ..get the podwers from Chinabase and make ur own injectables....or get it from..... J>>>>E......

 

[amenselah]

(Made in a Lab or made in a bathtub. )

Do u know this as a fact or ur just repeating what u read like a parrot....?

all underground labs is chance u take ...
and I prefer Ips , Red star bathtubs than all the new canadians bathtubs labs.... why? cause they both been longer in this game

 

[nuh_mizer]

(Made in a Lab or made in a bathtub. )

Do u know this as a fact or ur just repeating what u read like a parrot....?

Good one. How long have you been waitin to use that.

 

[Serenity Head]

I always go IP on tabs, QV for oils, I am not into big sterile abcesses to save $150. However I am always tempted to by 120ml of EQ200 for $150!!!

 

[Serenity Head]

Do you buy your shit by the 100's. I have never seen 50ml of QV enan under $140. If you got that price bro, make sure its legit.
Thats almost the pharmacy price. It runs ablut $10-$20/10ml bottle. That would mean your source makes about $5-$10.

Since 50ml of QV enanthate sells for $70 on a lot of reliable lists... YES... damn near anybody can do better price wise and quaility wise than buying IP.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Do you buy your shit by the 100's. I have never seen 50ml of QV enan under $140. If you got that price bro, make sure its legit.
Thats almost the pharmacy price. It runs ablut $10-$20/10ml bottle. That would mean your source makes about $5-$10.

It costs $10 apx for a 10ml wholesale and $25 for a 50ml wholesale. Runners buy wholesale then cart run and ship from the San Diego side of the border. They sell the product at TJ pharmacy prices... +15-20% tip to the mule. A good runner brings about $50-60,000 wholesale value per run each trip. That averages $60-80,000 profit each run.

On a 50ml bottle they pocket about $45 per bottle.

If you are paying $140... you are buying from a second rate ass raper who is buying from a runner and reselling.

The runners that I know now I have mostly known since they were kids practically... young guys who worked the desks of the pharmacias in the '80s and went into business for themselves after meeting all us American bodybuilders who went to TJ to buy juice. They are good honest guys who have gone on to become Mexican millionaires through a combination of brains, guts, and the work ethic. (The don't see anything illegal about what they do. Selling juice is like selling oranges to them. They would never think of selling pot or heroin. That's bad.)

For better or worse... many of the old honest and reliable runners are retiring. Sept 11 has made the border hot... even for vets. Just this year three of the most respected vet runners had their first arrests and served some jail time. They've made their money and it is time for them to leave the business.

Oh... and if one asswipe PM's me and asks for a source I will rip his head of and throw it to my dog so my dog can skull fuck him.

 

[amenselah]

If you are paying $140... you are buying from a second rate ass raper who is buying from a runner and reselling.


dude, do u remenber DP1? he was one of the best and he used to sell it at $125 ....maybe if u leave at the border and u can get it cheaper but us regular guys can buy much cheaper directly from IP....

by the way I lost 1000 dollars when DP1 was busted so never again I will buy big from a dealer that sells mexican SHIT to hot for my taste....

 

[ZeroCool]

oh please guys, go IP or get human gear from europe..
QV is good but over price...lets do the math

IP sustanon.... tested at 280 mg.. buying 3cc ml is at 3.33 dollars a ml...
IP EQ tested by Canadian customs at 208 mg per ml at the same price as the Sus..

200 dollars for 60 ml of good shit....can u do better than that using QV?

bunch of fucking losers..? :

Once again we have the infamous IP questions. I think IP gear is a complete waste of money. Not to mention has anyone ever thought of the sanitary conditions where his stuff is made. I have had 3 people that are friends of mine who ordered his gear because they wated to save money and it was cheaper. Guys if you want to save money go to GNC. You are putting this stuf in your body. I would never inject myself or even eat a pill from IP. There is nothing but speculation about IP gear. If you do not have the money now to get the right products that you want then wait and do not start your cycle just yet. I have been on this board for over 2 years and not once have I had enough evidence to believe otherwise. Denkall is a bit more expensive but Denkall makes a good product that poeple on this boad will vouch for. Ttokkyo labs make good products that can be backed by avid users of Ttokkyo gear. Nobody has any solid evidence that IP is legit. His pills crumble before your eyes and his oils are a complete joke. But then again if you are happy with people saying some of his gear is good and some is bad te go ahead and give it a shot. I think IP gear is a joke!!!!!!!!I would never inject his unsanitary oils into my body and I would never eat a pill labeled winny that is packed like asprin! I think people who post things are complete idiots!

 

[amenselah]

Ttokkyo labs make good products that can be backed by avid users of Ttokkyo gear


hehehe..u are funny..the same can be say about IP...

 

[IronFist]

Ttokkyo labs make good products that can be backed by avid users of Ttokkyo gear


hehehe..u are funny..the same can be say about IP...

It's your body, not mine...So if you are comfortable injecting that shit into it, go right ahead, I'll pass...

 

[ZeroCool]

Ttokkyo labs make good products that can be backed by avid users of Ttokkyo gear


hehehe..u are funny..the same can be say about IP...

Have you read your posts.....You talk like an idiot and give advice like an idiot. I have come to the conclusion that you are in fact an...IDIOT. You do not know what you are talking about and try to post information on this board that makes no sense. Plus you cannot even spell ! Why would you try to offer advice when you cannot even spell your own name. Lets take a poll...Who here would rather use IP gear over Denkall or Ttokkyo.......Amenselah you are a newbe and should get your head out of your ass. I am tired of reading studpid posts like yours when people need advice.

 

[_Yossarian_]

Guys if you want to save money go to GNC.

This part was even funnier...

 

[ZeroCool]

It's your body, not mine...So if you are comfortable injecting that shit into it, go right ahead, I'll pass...

IronFist...........Check you PM..........I have some ggod news for you.....
Later ZC.

 

[Canuck4]

Amen brotha.
After my friend got an infection in his delt by using IP Sus Im staying the fuck away from his oils.
It aint worth even if I get it for free.

It's your body, not mine...So if you are comfortable injecting that shit into it, go right ahead, I'll pass...

 

[manny78]

When Canadian customs tested IP shit, they were just looking for AAS, that's it. Not for bacteria. No I'd love to see a lab test on it.

 

[ZeroCool]

When Canadian customs tested IP shit, they were just looking for AAS, that's it. Not for bacteria. No I'd love to see a lab test on it.

Manny78...What up bro.....I have 1 guy I know who can test gear. I had some gear tested form a source that went bad that we all know. He was from the UK KJ.........He was actually a pretty good guy till he went bad....Anyhow I received some Goldline Cyp from this source because I wanted to see what the vials contained. The labels and everything looked legit soI had to have it tested. My source gave me an addy to send the gear once it got into the states an said it was his buddy who was able to test for AS. I still have his buddies addy but currently I am unable to access a special account I had it stored in. I will be in contact with you in the near future manny78 to see if we can come to a conclusion....

 

[manny78]

Manny78...What up bro.....I have 1 guy I know who can test gear. I had some gear tested form a source that went bad that we all know. He was from the UK KJ.........He was actually a pretty good guy till he went bad....Anyhow I received some Goldline Cyp from this source because I wanted to see what the vials contained. The labels and everything looked legit soI had to have it tested. My source gave me an addy to send the gear once it got into the states an said it was his buddy who was able to test for AS. I still have his buddies addy but currently I am unable to access a special account I had it stored in. I will be in contact with you in the near future manny78 to see if we can come to a conclusion....

I still have some IP Sustanon and Deca vials from last year. They were kept in a dark place so they should still be good for a lab test.

 

[BigAndy69]

Posted this a while back:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=146672&perpage=20&highlight=IP&pagenumber=1

Okay, there's been so many IP posts through the years, but there never seems to be a consensus...

Is IP gear properly dosed?

Answer: YOU NEVER KNOW!!! That's right you will never know, you may get a good product or you may not. That's the way he operates, he underdoses certain batches and even OVERdoses others.

It's completely hit and miss.

You also have other factors to consider such as Remailers underdosing his gear. They pull out some of the steroid and replace it with plain sesame oil.

Why can they get away with this? Well, Chinese gear does not come in sealed vials; Remailers can pull out the oils easily.

Other bootleggers and underground labs never operate this way. Can you imagine a bootlegger sending 300cc juggs to a source and then have that source sell it in 20cc "visine bottles".

Imagine that there is already controversy surrounding the product, I bet that source could get away with putting in only 10cc of steroid and filling the rest of the bottle with 10cc of inactive oil.

He just doubled his profit and he can get away with it!!!

Sure, it is possible to pull out all the active oil in a human grade amp and replacing it with sesame oil without leaving much of a mark but it's an extremely tedious process. It's not worth the time for amps of test, but it may be worth it for Primobolan or Zambon Winny.

I've seen test results on IP gear(In real life) and some where suprisingly good; his tren tested out at 91mg/ml, his Anavar at 9.5mg, and Eq 195mg/ml(Do not ask me or email me about how I know this). I've also seen some tests on other brands who are suppositely great...and I wasn't too impressed to say the least.

I've also talked to friends who've used some of his products(winny tabs stand out) and felt absolutely nothing, these are experienced BBers and I trust there judgement. One even got an infection from his Sust.

I know a guy who blew up on IP gear and loved it.

Bottom line; you never know!!! Period. You are taking a chance when you use IP gear, you may get a great product at a very good price, or you may end up paying money for sesame oil which may or may not be sterile.

 

[thebeet]

IP?

I've done 3 QV cycles and wasn't very impressed. I think IP is great , I just got some cyp and deca in from the man himself and its painless now. His d-bol and winni are great, haven't tried anything else. I ordered from him in China and it got here in 4 days, that's great service.
There are too many fucking whiners about gear.I've heard complaints on every gear there is just about.Brovel ,Tornel ,Loeffler,TTokkyo,and people whinning about there human grade gear. Whoever started this thread don't listen to anybody, just do it and find out yourself. Just make sure your eating enough ,sleeping enough , and training enough. Later , TheBeet.

 

[amenselah]

ZeroCool I might be an idiot and u must be a vet so lets our pics proof which is more of a rookie...post a link with ur pics and I will post mine....

about the spelling ur right about it...so one point in ur favor.

 

[AAP]

YOU THINK YOU SAVE MONEY WITH IP? HAHAHAHAAA! ONLY IF YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE ZERO TO MINIMAL GAINS. YOU WILL BE THROWING AWAY MORE MONEY THAN YOU SUPPOSINGLY "SAVE". I HAVE USED IP AND IT WAS AN UTTER WASTE OF TIME. I WAS DOING 80MG ANAVAR AND 400MG OF EQ NON ESTER DAILY AND AFTER 6 WEEKS, NOT A DAMN THING HAD HAPPENED. NOT ONE POUND. NOT AN OUNCE OF STRENGTH. AND THIS WAS MY FIRST CYCLE, SO I SHOULD HAVE SEEN SOMETHING.

PERSONALLY, I THINK SUPRA IS PRICED MUCH BETTER THAN QV. THOUGH QV IS VERY NICELY PRICED AS WELL.

 

[Corleone]

If you're on a budget, try Supra. Best bang for the buck, great stuff.

 

[uwanafight2]

supra.?? is that a new undergound lab or what.. ive been seing alot of news about it lately but not sure what it is and what they make specifically

thnaks