Quick Question.

[Pat_McCrotch]

Can you run winnie longer than your test w/o bad sides?

I have posted me next cycle in others threads and just trying to figure some things out to tweak it or maybe. i will post what I am thinking about my next cycle as well and maybe get some input.


dball 25 or 50/day 6-8 weeks
testp 500/wk on week 6 of dball, depending on how long i run the dball.
take 2 weeks off of orals
then start winnie 50/day for 4-6 weeks

oh yea i forgot I have some t4. How should i run that?

I have enough test p to run it for 6 weeks at that dose(3000mg total)
and enough winnie to last for 8 weeks.

i will start this in mid march to get some size then to cut. i will also be in the 2nd round of omegas project. Which I have to say is cool as shit. it is not what anyone thinks it is. I had to throw everything out i ever thought was a good way to train and rething BBing.

oh yea PCT 500ius HCG/day for 10 days straight after last shot, derma sustain, and unleashed and lots of jacking off.

Thanks in advance guys.

 

[xrsist]

why not just run the prop and winny for the whole 6 weeks? with a strict diet = nice lean gains..

test p week 1-6 75mg ED
winny week 1-6 50mg ED

 

[MercDD]

why not just run the prop and winny for the whole 6 weeks? with a strict diet = nice lean gains..

test p week 1-6 75mg ED
winny week 1-6 50mg ED

^^^^^ Agree.. prop / winny cycle .....

Is your winny oral or inject ??

I only ask because I tend to see alot of people forgot to take the diffrence in absorbtion rate when dosing oral winny...

There is a 20 -25 % diffrence in the absorbtion rate ...

Also

Oral winny is better for binding to SHGB , and increasing test... While inject causes a much greater increase in protein synthesis and nitrogen retention.. I like injectable better ..


Merc.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

its oral. i guess i can do that. do them both for 6 weeks. Do the dball first for 6 weeks then run the testp and winnie combo for the last 6 weeks.

so for the dball what would be a good dose.

And it is good to have ya hear merc. we love Tat so if she likes you then your good with me.

 

[MercDD]

What are your stats and cycle history ?? Have you ever used dbol ??


Merc.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

never used dball and this will be number 4 maybe 5.

I am 6 ft ish
210
10-12%bf

I am not huge but pretty strong.

I am part of the Omega Project going on here.

Never ever used dball.

I will tell you it is good to hear you ask for stats. Most people know me so I dont post them anymore.

One member on here that is now gone to another board very seldom asked for stats and reccommended very high doses. thanks for asking bro

 

[xrsist]

start at 25mg ed with the dball and adjust as required.

just saw your p c t.. hmm imo the prop will be outa you before you finish the 10 days of h c g (and as we know h c g can cause gyno) so maybe run the h c g at 250-500ius a week starting week 2 and finishing week 5. suggestions merc?

 

[MercDD]

never used dball and this will be number 4 maybe 5.

I am 6 ft ish
210
10-12%bf

I am not huge but pretty strong.

I am part of the Omega Project going on here.

Never ever used dball.

I will tell you it is good to hear you ask for stats. Most people know me so I dont post them anymore.

One member on here that is now gone to another board very seldom asked for stats and reccommended very high doses. thanks for asking bro

No prob ...


You could try the dbol at 30 mg ed since it is your first time using it..


Merc.

 

[MercDD]

start at 25mg ed with the dball and adjust as required.

just saw your p c t.. hmm imo the prop will be outa you before you finish the 10 days of h c g (and as we know h c g can cause gyno) so maybe run the h c g at 250-500ius a week starting week 2 and finishing week 5. suggestions merc?

HCG is suppressive .. HCG blocks the conversion of 17 ohp to test ..

By using nolva with HCG the blocking action is stopped ( by the nolva)...

Here is a study on the topic..

Tamoxifen suppresses gonadotropin-induced 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone accumulation in normal men
AG Smals, GF Pieters, JI Drayer, GH Boers, TJ Benraad and PW Kloppenborg


Intramuscular administration of 1500 IU hCG daily for 3 days induced a transient accumulation of 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone (17 OHP) relative to testosterone (T) in normal men, reaching its maximum 24 h after the first injection (17 OHP to T ratio, 1.7 +/- 0.3 times baseline; P < 0.01). Simultaneous administration of hCG and the estrogen antagonist tamoxifen (20 mg twice daily) almost completely abolished the hCG-induced steroidogenic block localized between 17 OHP and T (17 OHP to T ratio at 24 h, 1.1 +/- 0.1 times baseline; P < 0.01 vs. hCG alone). These data indirectly suggest that, in man, the hCG- induced steroidogenic lesion might be mediated through its estrogen- stimulating effect.



I like aromasin , hcg and nolva for a pct. ( Anthony Roberts protocol )..



Merc.