Quick question regarding finastride :)

[funkyfresh]

Hey Guys,

Can someone give me an idea of how long I should cycle off of finastride before taking deca or npp?

I'm just curious as to what the half life is as I don't wanna take it with deca as it could potentially cause more harm than good to the hair and prostate.

Also, is it still ok to take topical hair loss meds like minoxidil, a-acid, spiro..etc. whilst taking deca?

Thanks

 

[needtogetaas]

look into pp's new Toco-8 for hair hair loss problems well on cycle. Its the new brake threw for all of us.

 

[funkyfresh]

Thank bro, I'll do some reading.

Do you have an idea where can you buy this stuff?

Thanks

 

[Magick69]

look into pp's new Toco-8 for hair hair loss problems well on cycle. Its the new brake threw for all of us.

common bro; i understand you need to seel but this

Toco-8: This is a Tocotrienol complex extracted from palm fruits. It will be a powder that can be mixed into your favorite drink or shake. Recently, it has been granted a US patent for stopping hair loss and promoting hair regrowth. It also has powerful effects in lower bad cholesterol, and increasing Testosterone production by increasing testicular sensitivity to L/H and F/S/H.

versus

finasteride proved by many studies..

a medicine that for years has saved many, included me for being a bald fuck! (no offence for the bald bros

i said this many times finasteride + Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - = hairloss is a myth; read amny threads where people took this combo alone and they did not lose anything!
plus i spoke with a well known MD specialised in hairloss and bodybuilding and he said was silly.

if a person who is taking finasteride all the year will drop it -will lose more hair than before. let alone if will -not only drop it- but will take a steroid that even if mild as deca, is still dangerous for who is prone to hairloss

 

[Magick69]

Thank bro, I'll do some reading.

Do you have an idea where can you buy this stuff?

Thanks

bro just out of curiosity; u have been memebr for a while but look like u never did a cycle of gear..am i right??

 

[needtogetaas]

common bro; i understand you need to seel but this

Toco-8: This is a Tocotrienol complex extracted from palm fruits. It will be a powder that can be mixed into your favorite drink or shake. Recently, it has been granted a US patent for stopping hair loss and promoting hair regrowth. It also has powerful effects in lower bad cholesterol, and increasing Testosterone production by increasing testicular sensitivity to L/H and F/S/H.

versus

finasteride proved by many studies..

a medicine that for years has saved many, included me for being a bald fuck! (no offence for the bald bros

i said this many times finasteride + Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - = hairloss is a myth; read amny threads where people took this combo alone and they did not lose anything!
plus i spoke with a well known MD specialised in hairloss and bodybuilding and he said was silly.

if a person who is taking finasteride all the year will drop it -will lose more hair than before. let alone if will -not only drop it- but will take a steroid that even if mild as Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , is still dangerous for who is prone to hairloss

Here we go again. I am going to love this. I got all the hate in the world when I started telling people to use dermacrine and dermascine sustain. Now I am going to here the same bullshit lines and blah blah blah. I was right about derma and I will be right about this. Its all going to be a matter of time before
people start using it and loving it. But you can fight it tooth and nail just like they did with derma. I don't mind at all.

 

[funkyfresh]

bro just out of curiosity; u have been memebr for a while but look like u never did a cycle of gear..am i right??

That's correct. First cycle will be early February. Anavar 40 -50mg for 6 weeks. But I'm considering stacking it.

I'm really just trying to weigh up my options at the moment.

 

[Magick69]

Here we go again. I am going to love this. I got all the hate in the world when I started telling people to use dermacrine and dermascine sustain. Now I am going to here the same bullshit lines and blah blah blah. I was right about derma and I will be right about this. Its all going to be a matter of time before
people start using it and loving it. But you can fight it tooth and nail just like they did with derma. I don't mind at all.

love u bro

 

[josenunes]

only dutasteride is better than finasteride concerning hair loss .I believe Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - +finasteride(1mg) is not a problem also

 

[funkyfresh]

Still looking to find an answer to my original question though...lol

Appriciate the advice though guys, but going back to what I was saying.....whats the half life for finastride? any ideas?

Thanks

RE:

i said this many times finasteride + Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - = hairloss is a myth; read amny threads where people took this combo alone and they did not lose anything!
plus i spoke with a well known MD specialised in hairloss and bodybuilding and he said was silly.

if a person who is taking finasteride all the year will drop it -will lose more hair than before.

If I remember though mate, the MD specialist didn't really know what you were talking about? All his advice he gave you was in referance to testosterone, not nandralone.

It could well be a myth.

 

[Magick69]

That's correct. First cycle will be early February. Anavar 40 -50mg for 6 weeks. But I'm considering stacking it.

I'm really just trying to weigh up my options at the moment.

cool; i did it for 8 weeks i had no physiological probs (blood check up) and no hairloss just check your sources u want to avoid dianabol

 

[Magick69]

Still looking to find an answer to my original question though...lol

Appriciate the advice though guys, but going back to what I was saying.....whats the half life for finastride? any ideas?

Thanks

RE:

If I remember though mate, the MD specialist didn't really know what you were talking about? All his advice he gave you was in referance to testosterone, not nandralone.

It could well be a myth.

no you remember wrong; do a search was on Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and finasteride not testosterone

about duta is good and effective; but to there are no long term studies about its safety and can be dangerous for the brain so i would stick with finasteride - for a while

 

[funkyfresh]

cool; i did it for 8 weeks i had no physiological probs (blood check up) and no hairloss

That's cool. What were the strength gains like on that cycle? I mean, how much on average did you add to your lifts? 5kg? 10kg?

One of the reasons I wanted to try Anavar is the strength gains it can give

 

[hurricane]

hey i thought duta and fina olny help with test?? plz elaborate because i have stayed away for a few compounds cause im dont want hairloss.. i am using duta

 

[funkyfresh]

hey i thought duta and Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - olny help with test?? plz elaborate because i have stayed away for a few compounds cause im dont want hairloss.. i am using duta

Have you used duta with test successfully? (no increase in hair loss).

Deca + Finastride or Duta is said to make hairloss worse. But some people think that this is a myth. There have been no studies on this.

Deca doesn't convert to DHT like test does. It still interacts with the 5AR like test does, but it reduces into DHN.

DHN is a much milder androgen than DHT is and is said to be no more potent than your normal testosterone level.

This means that Deca shouldn't cause any hairloss. But if you are prone to MPB, then it can still happen.

If you are losing your hair without any kind of influence from AAS from your own hormones. Then DHN would likely equate to about the same level.

In other words, DHN is said to be no more potent than the testosterone from your own body in regards to hairloss.

Testosterone can cause hairloss regardless of being reduced into DHT as it is still a strong androgen. Although this is very unlikely.
DHT is the main culprit. But you still need a certain amount of DHT to grow hair. It's just harmful in excess amounts if you are sensitive to it.

The theory is, if you take finastride with Deca, you actually prevent the Deca from reducing into DHN. People say this is very bad because Deca in it's unreduced state is said to be much more harsh on the hair than it's sister hormone DHN. So it could infact increase hairloss.

This may or may not be true. Like I said, there have been no studies on the subject as far as I'm aware of.

Deca may be able to cause hairloss like any steroid, although it's generally thought to be one/if not THE mildest on the hair. But again, it depends on how prone you are, genetics and all kind of other factors.

 

[funkyfresh]

BTW...Magic.

I know you are considering EQ for a cycle.

I've just done some research into it and if you take finastride with this, it would have a similar effect to 1-Test. Not so good if you are prone to hair loss.

This again may be a myth. EQ is another one like deca that does interact with the 5AR (although very minimal) and reduces into something slightly different to DHT.

 

[hurricane]

yea ive only done 2 test e cyles on duta with no problem .. but have shyed away from other gear like dbol cause of hairloss

 

[funkyfresh]

yea ive only done 2 testosterone enanthate cyles on duta with no problem .. but have shyed away from other gear like Dianabol - methandrostenolone - cause of hairloss

That's wise. What dose did you run?

 

[Magick69]

'If you are losing your hair without any kind of influence from anabolic androgenic steroids from your own hormones. Then DHN would likely equate to about the same level'

precisely this is the point!

anyone who is prone to hairloss and or have started to lose hair and stop finasteride using any steroids will lose hair even more than before

genetic + stop finasteride + androgenic hormone = disaster on your hairline

anyone who is prone to hairloss and or have started to lose hair and take ANY (even the milder one such as deca) androgenic hormones without anti-hairloss stuck is fucked

genetic + androgenic hormone = fuck your hairline

 

[funkyfresh]

genetic + stop finasteride + androgenic hormone = disaster on your hairline

I agree. Obviously the DHN is a milder androgen than DHT, so in theory deca shouldn't be harsh on your hairline. But if you are very prone and you were to stop taking finastride, you may still experience some hairloss due to your own natural test/DHT.

However, Deca would surpress your natural test level. So you would have less DHT conversion.

So in other words, Deca would probably have the same effect as your natural test/DHT level without finastride. So yes, it can still cause hairloss for that reason if you are very prone. But it shouldn't speed it up anymore than it would with you natural test/dht.

But again, you could use topicals to help minimize this. If you stick with a short 6 week cycle of NPP or something and just take the spiro/minoxidil..etc. I don't imagine you'd have much of an issue.

DHN doesn't bind to the hair AR's as aggressively as DHT.

Another thing to remember that by blocking too much DHT in you system is actually bad....bad for your hair too!!!
You need a certain amount of DHT to stimulate hair growth. That's why when people take testosterone, they experience more hair growth in the rest of the body (face, chest..etc.) but not on the scalp.

The reason is, the scalp AR's can't cope with the overload. They are more sensitive to it. But they need a certain amount of DHT to stimulate growth.

If you block too much DHT in the body, you would have more "unreduced" testosterone. This means more Testosterone will aromatize into estrogen.
Too much estrogen can also lead to hairloss.

So they key is to maintain a certain balance.
Too little DHT is bad, too much is bad (also for the prostate).
Too little estrogen is bad, too much is bad.

 

[Magick69]

lets see in march what will happen; at the mo i am busy with a turinabol + retibol which i supect will go great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[funkyfresh]

Good luck with that one bro. Let's us know how you get on

What were the strength gains like on your anavar cycle? I'm curious.

I'm gonna be doing that or Tbol in February for 6 weeks. But am seriously considering stacking it with some NPP or Test Prop. Ideally I want to gain around 7lbs lean muscle.

Ultimate goal it to gain 7-10lbs muscle this year and maintain it. Then the same next year.

I'm a shorter guy, 5ft 5/5ft 6ish so 10lbs makes a big difference on my frame. So I don't need a ton of muscle mass to fill out. 185lbs lean is my long term goal.