questions

[jeremys]

when one is thinking of beginning a cycle, what exactly has to be monitored? i know that you need lipid profile and liver levels checked, but aren't docs suspicious? is there anything else? i know there's a risk of prostate problems involved, any way to monitor this?

what would you guys suggest for a first cycle for a strongman enthusiast? great strenth, muscular endurance, and explosive strength are all factors.

i'm not looking to start any time soon at all, but i figure the more reading i do, the more i could potentially be prepared

 

[jeremys]

bump? this board moves fast..

i've done some reading and tried to do some searches, but i dont know what to use for keywords

 

[thx9000]

Lipid/Liver/Kidney tests are run of the mill, I dont think a doc would be suspicious of those.

Need to monitor that and test, free test, WB test, and (it wouldn't hurt) various estrogens. Before, during and just after your cycle. You can get the initial tests done by just complaining that you have lost interest in sex, have weak erections etc. The follow-up tests, though, are more difficult to justify and (if you're on a cycle) will definitely raise suspicions.

 

[bigdelt69]

thx9000 is correct. Although you dont have to go to your doc to get them done. your are on the right track. good luck.

 

[thx9000]

thx9000 is correct. Although you dont have to go to your doc to get them done. your are on the right track. good luck.

Good point, in fact I test myself via www.healthcheckusa.com and you can also go directly to www.questdiagnostics.com. There is certainly something to be said for having a real Doc evaluate your labs, though, and the self-test route doesnt accomplish that.

 

[jeremys]

any suggestions on what to use for first cycle?

 

[jeremys]

bump

 

[Johnny Cut]

generic answer:

Sust (Test) 250 for 8-10 weeks
Dbol 25mg/day weeks 1-4 or 5

 

[jeremys]

when to start clomid or whatever? by 'whatever' i mean other anti-e's i could choose from. also, how long do you keep taking clomid/other?

 

[mcgirkz]

when to start clomid or whatever? by 'whatever' i mean other anti-e's i could choose from. also, how long do you keep taking clomid/other?

check this place out and do some reading. it should have all the info you are looking for. at the least it will give you a good knowledge base.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsteroids.htm

 

[jeremys]

i read there and a couple links and couldn't find clomid info. how much do you take? i suppose it depends on how big your cycle was?

if one used pretty low doses of test, how long could you stay on without shutting down natural test?

 

[jeremys]

bump before this goes off the page again

 

[RADAR]

clomid

Jeremys a basic test cycle 250-500mg clomid recovery will be like this 300mg 1 st day- 100 mg for 6 days- 50 mg for 7 days when to take depends upon the type of test. Test Cyp 2 wks after last injection, Test prop 3 days after last inj. Test Sus- 4-8 hrs after last inj-ETC. You get the picture. If you need any more info pm me always glad to help.

RADAR

 

[jeremys]

Jeremys a basic test cycle 250-500mg clomid recovery will be like this 300mg 1 st day- 100 mg for 6 days- 50 mg for 7 days when to take depends upon the type of test. Test Cyp 2 wks after last injection, Test prop 3 days after last inj. Test Sus- 4-8 hrs after last inj-ETC. You get the picture. If you need any more info pm me always glad to help.

if d-bol or winny is added to the test cycle, does the amount of clomid at the end change?

any athletes here? just thinking theoretically an athlete could do very low volume cycles, with only 1-2 different roids added into the mix per cycle

 

[icelandic]

I would not add dbol to a first cycle invloving test, too many complications (water gain, acne, hair loss). Simply one ester of test @ 300-500 mg/week should suffice. At these dosages a dht inhibitor will mosy likely not be needed. Saw palmetto is wonderfully effective at reducing androgen related porstate discomfort and does not effect libido provided it is used at moderate dosages.

For estrogen suppression, it will depend on your genes - some ppl are much more prone to estrogen sides than others. Many people seem to have great luck using an aromatase inhibtor like femara or arimidex. Also aromasin is very nice since it will lower SHBG levels and have no effects on lipid levels, unfortunately it is very,very expensive - even generic.

The normal clomid therepy begins when the ester has left your system (14 days post last injection for enanthate or cyp). Usually done as follows 200mg/day 1, 100mg/days 2-10, 50mg/days 10-20 (or something similar). Also HCG is frequently used to prevent/atone for testicular atrophy. Very common is the practice to use halfway thorugh cycle and last week or two that test in in your system. It is important to use repsonsibly (no more than 500iu/day) and only whil exogenous test is stillin your system to prevent your testes from becoming LH insensitive (then you're screwed).

Finally, no offense, but aren't you still under 18? IMO nobody under 18 or 19 should even consider using these drugs as there is a chance of screwing up one's endocrine system at such an age. Not to sound condescending or anything but I hope you think this through for a long time.

 

[jeremys]

thanks for the info.

i am under 18. i don't plan on starting any time soon. just reading up and gaining some knowledge/ideas

 

[jeremys]

after reading the 2 week cycle thread, i was thinking when/if i start, i could do some 2 week on, 4 week off cycles.

with my goals in mind (strongman - strength, endurance are important), which would you pick and why?:

tren - front load of 100mg for day 1, then 37.5 mg/ed (through day 12)
d-bol or winny - 50mg/ed (14 days)

or

test suspension - 50 mg/ed (through day 12)
d-bol or winny - 50mg/ed (14 days)

thanks

 

[jeremys]

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