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MR Pink said:
Like everything else, I think it should be periodized.
Sometimes I like to work fast with short rest between sets, other times I'll do more work over a longer amount of time. It's all about developing instincts. (Something I explain in detail in Bottom Line Bodybuilding). The key is to do what it takes to get the muscle, without overdoing it.
Occasional overtraining is necessary, even preferable. But chronic overtraining will prevent further growth.
Nelson Montana said:
Isn't over training by definition doing more than is necessary? Meaning wasted effort at best; counter productive at worse and therefore should always be avoided. Training should (in an ideal world) always be optimal and duration may vary given one's recuperative ability which in itself will vary (constantly) due to stress levels, amount of sleep, nutrition, etc.
mt said:
If you just train to the point where you can suffiently recuperate, you'll never give the necessary stimulus for the muscles to get bigger and stronger. They must be pushed. But as I say, CHRONIC overtraining is counterproductive.
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40-50 minutes,intense,vary your exercises from time to time,and learn to listen to your bodie's feedback
Nelson Montana said:
Nelson did you find you came more responsive to different training techniques with age. By this i mean in terms of your rest periods?
I have noticed that as i have got older then i respond much better to reduced workout times with less rest between sets. What has been your findings and any reasoning?
Wrongun!
Wrongun said:
This is something that 99% of the training "experts" out there don't get.
Everyone is diferent and what may be the MOST important aspect to success in training is the make up of "muscle type" of a individual.
Strength coaches and HIT guys can't see past the fact that heavy , brief training doesn't suit everyone. It IS best for those who tend to have type II muscle fibers. These are the people who tend to grow the most and excell in sports. So the coaches thinking is "That's who we're looking for anyway!" So they have a "One size fits all" appoach to training. If it dosen't work for you...well, you suck and they don't want to know you.
But my methods are the opposite. I'm not interested in taking the genetic elite and making them syperstars. The genetic elite don't need me. They really don't need anybody if they have half a brain and an ounce of determination. My gig is developing the guy who has a difficult time growing muscle. In other worse, guys like ME.
There are a multitude of methods designed to develop diferent muscle types. If you've hit upon the style that works for you , stick with it -- as long you make certain variations along the way to avoid staleness and maintain muscle confusion.
The good thing about reduced training wih less time between sets s the fact that you increase cardio output (without having to beat yourself up with aerobics) and you get the maximum GH elevation without overtraining. One advantage of being older is, you need LESS training volume. The muscles don't grow as much, but they respond to training stimulation faster -- IF, you know your body type and work it in the most effective way.
Bulldog_10
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mt said:
There's a differenec between overtraining and over-reaching. Over-reaching is good when used sparingly.
strongsmartsexy
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Bulldog_10 said:
I understand what you're saying, now just try explaining the difference to someone who doesn't have much training under their belt.
Bulldog_10
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strongsmartsexy said:
It's like the difference between psychological states and psychological traits.
A psychological trait is something you have all the time, like you're an anxious person.
A psychological state is just the state of mind you're in at the time, like you're anxious before an exam. It's just transient.
Over-reaching is a transient state, just for one workout, or one week. Over-training can become a trait of your workouts, a chronic problem.
Applied to a training principle, it's like training for sprinting. Sometimes you do overspeed drills to train the CNS...but if you train overspeed too much...or go too fast...it will hinder your progress.
Bulldog_10 said:
What is meant by to "train overspeed" or "go too fast" when training as a sprinter? Isn't the whole point of sprinting to run as fast as possible? Is there ever a case where a coach tells his sprinter, "You ran too fast on that last 100 meter dash. This will hinder your progress in running faster so slow down a little." Or say, "Instead of running for speed we will do overspeed drills today. Just run with as much speed as you can except do it with more speed. Go over the speed that you usually do."
Bulldog_10
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mt said:
LOL...overspeed, in other words assisted sprinting, is just another training technique. One form is running down hill...so you'll be running faster than you're normally used to...training your CNS how to fire at higher speeds, which will help when you are actually able to run that fast on level ground.
Another form is to have someone pull you along with a bungee cord. So you're running faster than humanly possible on regular, flat ground. Same idea as running downhill.
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