Question for Needsize? On year round!!

[The_Chemist]

I'm convinced that high dose(1500mg) 8-12 week cycles are less effective for me, than low dose(1000mg) 24 weekers.

My question is, What kind of HCG/clomid regimine do you run to keep your testes from atrophying, while on a year round cycle? I know the standard nolva/hcg/clomid PCT therapy, but, I want to know how you guys are running the HCG on YEAR-ROUND cycles.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I'm not needsize, but I stay on year round. My secret to avoiding testicular atrophy is to never cycle off, never change my doses rapidly and never use high doses. I've never used HCG, and have no problems with testicular atrophy.

 

[The_Chemist]

What is your current year round cycle looking like? BTW, if i use test as a base, my nuts will shrink, regardless of dosage.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I do not use test. My girlfriend only likes to have sex 3 times a day, not 10.

Currently on 200 mg eq every week
50 mg winstrol every day (I drink it)
30 mg of tren every other day
20 mg of nolvadex a day

About to go on 12.5 mcg of t3 every day

 

[The_Chemist]

I do not use test. My girlfriend only likes to have sex 3 times a day, not 10.

Currently on 200 mg eq every week
50 mg winstrol every day (I drink it)
30 mg of tren every other day
20 mg of nolvadex a day

About to go on 12.5 mcg of t3 every day

lol. so true. So, you dont use anything at all to keep your natural test levels up? Are you concerned about permanently shutting down your HPTA? How long have you been running this for? Im planning on a 24 weeker, however i may bump it up to a 40 weeker if i keep the dosage low enough(1000-1200mgs).

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I've been on for 18 or 19 months straight orb.

 

[hammertime30]

I do not use test. My girlfriend only likes to have sex 3 times a day, not 10.

Currently on 200 mg eq every week
50 mg winstrol every day (I drink it)
30 mg of tren every other day
20 mg of nolvadex a day

About to go on 12.5 mcg of t3 every day

Just curious bro...how much have you gained from this cycle??

 

[Deleted member 33117]

hammertime-I've put on about 35 lbs of lbm in a little over a year. I've go abotu 10 lbs of muscle on my avatar pic right now.

That is not what I have been on the entire time. I've coasted on 300 mg of eq a week for part of it. And for a good portion of it I was on 50 mg of prop ed with 25 mg of tren ed or 25 mg of prop ed with 40 mg of masterone ed.

 

[hammertime30]

hammertime-I've put on about 35 lbs of lbm in a little over a year. I've go abotu 10 lbs of muscle on my avatar pic right now.

That is not what I have been on the entire time. I've coasted on 300 mg of eq a week for part of it. And for a good portion of it I was on 50 mg of prop ed with 25 mg of tren ed or 25 mg of prop ed with 40 mg of masterone ed.

and you're not shut down??

 

[Outtlaw]

I'm convinced that high dose(1500mg) 8-12 week cycles are less effective for me, than low dose(1000mg) 24 weekers.

Thats only a 500mg difference. How can you be sure the difference in effectiveness is due to the lower dosage when you're running the lower dose for twice as long as the higher one? How do you know you wouldnt gain considerably more if you ran the higher doses for 24wks like the others??

 

[Lowest]

Of course BBF is shut down, 18 months of any gear however mild will do that. He doesn't have testicular atrophy, which is good, but I've never had that with 800mg/week of test or other strong compounds, and I was on for 8 months once. He's lucky in that he has great receptors so he might not be fully shut down, but he's damn sure not producing much natural test right now, if he were his GF would probably be a paraplegic BBF, just wondering, do you ever plan on coming off, or will you just begin HRT at some point if you feel you need it?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Of course BBF is shut down, 18 months of any gear however mild will do that. He doesn't have testicular atrophy, which is good, but I've never had that with 800mg/week of test or other strong compounds, and I was on for 8 months once. He's lucky in that he has great receptors so he might not be fully shut down, but he's damn sure not producing much natural test right now, if he were his GF would probably be a paraplegic BBF, just wondering, do you ever plan on coming off, or will you just begin HRT at some point if you feel you need it?

When I'm 35 or so, I'll just go on HRT.

 

[Lowest]

Nice, I'll probably do the same whenever my natural test levels drop too low, but if I'm anything like my father that will be a long time. He's 52 and has a test level of over 900... though that's due in part to the proscar, since it prevents some test from aromatizing to DHT. Btw, sorry to answer for you, but unless you're a total genetic anomaly, it's pretty much a given you'd be pretty shut down after 18 months straight

 

[gregory]

I would like to chime in and state that when i cycled sustanon for about 18 months i took 4-8 week breaks between my 12 week cycles and i never got Testicular atrophy, they were big as can be and never shrunk.

 

[needsize]

last year I went 12 weeks heavy cycle, 6 weeks of var, back to 12 weeks heavy. During the var bridge, I ran clomid, heavier and longer than usual. During the cycle, I ran hcg at 500iu every 3-4 days, and then 500iu daily for 10 days before starting clomid and my bridge. That seemed to do the trick as my sex drive was awesome when off, which normally isnt the case, even without the var

 

[Dieharder]

I wish i had the money to stay on year round, but I dont even compete so theres really no point, ive run an 18 week cycle and one light 8 weeker, and i seem to recover just fine and still be able to make gains when off

 

[Dial_tone]

I will never understand why young people are so willing to consider HRT as a viable alternative. I'm just now STARTING to come to grips with it and I just turned 40. I am considering it next year but would still prefer to put it off another 5 years.

 

[gregory]

Male ego, that's the simple truth. If you have low test and it indicates HRT to be beneficial, i would not care if i was 20, i would willingly do it, if you need it, you need it. Why make life harder?

 

[Dial_tone]

Male ego, that's the simple truth. If you have low test and it indicates HRT to be beneficial, i would not care if i was 20, i would willingly do it, if you need it, you need it. Why make life harder?

Good points but here is how many people are doing it. They go on a 12-16 week cycle followed by a half-ass PCT phase. They get tested a month later, which isn't really enough time for full recovery, and find themselves low so they convince themselves (and a doc) they need HRT. Believe me, there will come a time around age 30 when all this doesn't seem so important as it does now. All these people that are spending thousands on cycle - I hope they're putting at least an equal amount into their retirement accounts. Being 8% bodyfat at age 65 won't seem like a big deal if you're flipping burgers at McDonald's because you didn't plan for retirement.

 

[The_Chemist]

Thats only a 500mg difference. How can you be sure the difference in effectiveness is due to the lower dosage when you're running the lower dose for twice as long as the higher one? How do you know you wouldnt gain considerably more if you ran the higher doses for 24wks like the others??

Thats a great question. The answer is, I dont know for sure! I am simply trying to keep my dosages down while maximizing gains. In order to continuously see gains, I either have to up the dosage(1500mgs) or run the cycle longer.

I am just seeing a better response with the longer cycles. The reason im aksing this question, is to discuss the rationalization of a 24 week cycle. In specific, HCG and clomid dosages.

 

[The_Chemist]

i was hoping AAP was going to chime in on this thread as he has ran a a 24 weeker, I believe. Winny and Eq i think.

Thanks to Needsize. That was the answer I was looking for. HCG @ 500iu every 4 days while on. But, How much clomid were you using while bridging? 50 mg ED?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

and you're not shut down??

Odds are I'm shut down. However why does it matter to me if I plan on staying on? I can fuck several times a day, have full nutts and can shoot a couple tablespoons of ball butter for my gf (she has commented that my loads are above average) so it really doesn't bother me that I am probably shut down.

 

[AnonCanada]

Odds are I'm shut down. However why does it matter to me if I plan on staying on? I can #### several times a day, have full nutts and can shoot a couple tablespoons of ball butter for my gf (she has commented that my loads are above average) so it really doesn't bother me that I am probably shut down.

I think hes asking about long term effects. Like fertility and such. Truthfully, that doesnt bother me as much as chronic high Blood pressure and elevated cholesterol.

Needsize: Did you constantly change compuonds while on the year-round, or did you mostly stick to a test/deca base. Same question for BBF.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I think hes asking about long term effects. Like fertility and such. Truthfully, that doesnt bother me as much as chronic high Blood pressure and elevated cholesterol.

Needsize: Did you constantly change compuonds while on the year-round, or did you mostly stick to a test/deca base. Same question for BBF.

I've changed mine around a lot. I really only play with eq (which I stay on), winstrol, tren and masterone.

There is not evidence that steroids actually work as an effective form of birth control. Needsize was on almost 2 grams a week and got his wife pregant.

My blood pressure is fine, and for cholesterol I eat an extremely clean diet (I'm a dual major in nutritional science and psychology right now, so write my won diet), eat a lot of EFA's, and use nolvadex year round.

 

[alltraps]

Good points but here is how many people are doing it. They go on a 12-16 week cycle followed by a half-ass PCT phase. They get tested a month later, which isn't really enough time for full recovery, and find themselves low so they convince themselves (and a doc) they need HRT. Believe me, there will come a time around age 30 when all this doesn't seem so important as it does now. All these people that are spending thousands on cycle - I hope they're putting at least an equal amount into their retirement accounts. Being 8% bodyfat at age 65 won't seem like a big deal if you're flipping burgers at McDonald's because you didn't plan for retirement.

that's about the most real thing i have ever read on this forum! you always have the wisdom to guide us stupid kids! good to have you here! i'd give you k but it wont let me.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

i was hoping AAP was going to chime in on this thread as he has ran a a 24 weeker, I believe. Winny and Eq i think.

Thanks to Needsize. That was the answer I was looking for. HCG @ 500iu every 4 days while on. But, How much clomid were you using while bridging? 50 mg ED?

AAP ran, for his first cycle, 600 mg of eq once a week with 50 mg of winstol ed for 34 weeks, if I recall.

 

[needsize]

I ran the typical clomid regimine when bridging, but instead of stopping at 3 weeks, I kept taking 50mg a day pretty much till the next cycle as I read that your test levels are actually somewhat higher than baseline as long as you are taking clomid. I have always noticed that the post cycle crash doesnt really seem to come till clomid is over anyway

 

[AnonCanada]

bumpola

 

[yomama]

I ran the typical clomid regimine when bridging, but instead of stopping at 3 weeks, I kept taking 50mg a day pretty much till the next cycle as I read that your test levels are actually somewhat higher than baseline as long as you are taking clomid. I have always noticed that the post cycle crash doesnt really seem to come till clomid is over anyway

Have you had bloodwork done? While doing PCT and taking clomid to see what your test levels are.

 

[TheRide]

Good points but here is how many people are doing it. They go on a 12-16 week cycle followed by a half-ass PCT phase. They get tested a month later, which isn't really enough time for full recovery, and find themselves low so they convince themselves (and a doc) they need HRT. Believe me, there will come a time around age 30 when all this doesn't seem so important as it does now. All these people that are spending thousands on cycle - I hope they're putting at least an equal amount into their retirement accounts. Being 8% bodyfat at age 65 won't seem like a big deal if you're flipping burgers at McDonald's because you didn't plan for retirement.

Well said DT... very well said.

 

[Triple-G]

There is not evidence that steroids actually work as an effective form of birth control. Needsize was on almost 2 grams a week and got his wife pregant.

i was on for 2 years straight and still had a significant sperm count. it works for 95% of males, the rest needs an additional compound like gestagen to completely shut down; i did get a vasectomy to achieve full azoospermia, its still the best option in my opinion.

 

[BIGJAKE]

Good points but here is how many people are doing it. They go on a 12-16 week cycle followed by a half-ass PCT phase. They get tested a month later, which isn't really enough time for full recovery, and find themselves low so they convince themselves (and a doc) they need HRT. Believe me, there will come a time around age 30 when all this doesn't seem so important as it does now. All these people that are spending thousands on cycle - I hope they're putting at least an equal amount into their retirement accounts. Being 8% bodyfat at age 65 won't seem like a big deal if you're flipping burgers at McDonald's because you didn't plan for retirement.

that the most truthful post i have also read here great post k for a very smart and good bro.

 

[Vicious cycle]

Good points but here is how many people are doing it. They go on a 12-16 week cycle followed by a half-ass PCT phase. They get tested a month later, which isn't really enough time for full recovery, and find themselves low so they convince themselves (and a doc) they need HRT. Believe me, there will come a time around age 30 when all this doesn't seem so important as it does now. All these people that are spending thousands on cycle - I hope they're putting at least an equal amount into their retirement accounts. Being 8% bodyfat at age 65 won't seem like a big deal if you're flipping burgers at McDonald's because you didn't plan for retirement.

Best post I've ever read on any board.

 

[needsize]

Have you had bloodwork done? While doing PCT and taking clomid to see what your test levels are.

nope, never had test levels checked as I dont really care about them, only had liver, kidneys, etc tested