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question bout caffein, marijuana, and workin out

kakarot417

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i hear that caffeine is bad because it hinders the bodies absorbtion of calcium which is needed for growing muscles, is this true?

also does smoking marijuana negatively affect musclegrowth? i stopped smoking cigarretes, but should i quit the pot too?
 
I'd imagine smoking anything would decrease your performance as an athlete. Haven't heard problems with caffeine considering so many people on here are huge and use eca stacks daily.
 
I heard from one of my pot head friends that weed is bad for your muscles and it makes them smaller. I figure ths is if u do it all the time. I cut way way back. Ive only smoked 4 times since being at school this semester. Its a lot easier if someone else quits with you.

Mike
 
marijuana does not effect muscle size, It may induce laziness, and enduce uphoria...
I doubt smoking it will help you any in the gym, I know a couple of big boys around here they need it to sleep at night, it really helps when juicing.
 
Dont talk about shit if you have no idea

Marijuana does NOT affect test levels or muscle size. There is virtually no reason you shouldnt do it unless you cant afford it or work at a drug-tested job. It actually provides benefits.

Caffeine & Calcium shouldnt be taken together, but chances are you're taking your Calcium before sleep, and thats not a good time to take Caffeine, so it shouldnt be a problem.
 
Re: Dont talk about shit if you have no idea

BeefyBull said:
Marijuana does NOT affect test levels or muscle size. There is virtually no reason you shouldnt do it unless you cant afford it or work at a drug-tested job. It actually provides benefits.

Interesting.
 
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louden_swain said:


Interesting.

Have you ever tried it, LS?

Benefits include:
Reduced Stress
Reduced Eye Pressure
Increased Hunger (good if you're bulking)
Increased relaxation
Provides Zinc & other minerals
Natural Painkiller
etc, etc.
 
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BeefyBull said:


Have you ever tried it, LS?

Benefits include:
Reduced Stress
Reduced Eye Pressure
Increased Hunger (good if you're bulking)
Increased relaxation
Provides Zinc & other minerals
Natural Painkiller
etc, etc.

the cons include minor lung damage associated with smoking and inhalation of tars, some interference with REM cycles, the increase in hunger may concurently raise metabolism not sure about that, and i believe that although you may feel more relaxed, cortisol is not lessened significantly to my knowledge. There are a whole host of psychological cons which vary from person to person, for me it tends to make me forgetful, lazy, and weak feeling, if i smoke too much too often.
 
collegiateLifter said:

the cons include minor lung damage associated with smoking and inhalation of tars
This is the only serious drawback to marijuana use. I will acknowledge this, but smoking ANYTHING will cause damage to the lungs (it's smoke). However, you can minimize any damage by: using a water pipe such as a bubbler or a bong, or smoking really good weed (you can get weed so good that it takes 1 hit to get high).

collegiateLifter said:
some interference with REM cycles, the increase in hunger may concurently raise metabolism not sure about that, and i believe that although you may feel more relaxed, cortisol is not lessened significantly to my knowledge. There are a whole host of psychological cons which vary from person to person, for me it tends to make me forgetful, lazy, and weak feeling, if i smoke too much too often.
As for interference with REM cycles or sleep, I have never ever noticed this myself. I feel it actually could help one get to sleep. However, this could vary for each person I guess.

Weed does not effect the metabolism. The hunger increase is due to cannabinoid receptors in the brain. All people experience "the munchies" to some degree. Willpower, appetite supressants, or just eating smart gets over that 'problem'.

I have no idea about weed's effects on cortisol levels. Although I assume that it would have no effect.

As for psychological cons, there really arent any at all. You are only effected as much as you let the weed effect you. If it makes you lazy or unmotivated, you were probably lazy or unmotivated to begin with now you just have a scapegoat for it, so you're more likely to let those problems manifest themselves (not pointing to you specifically CL).

If you are going to stay high all day long, you might want to make yourself notes or lists to help you from being forgetful if you find that weed makes you forget things. Still, being high all the time isnt that good of an idea in general. It sounds good in theory, but there are moments you probably shouldnt be high (lifting, hanging out with your g/f & her parents, etc.) :D
 
Vaporization is the key

You pot smokers should try vaporization. It gives you twice the THC, and is much better on lungs.

You use basically heat up the pot thru a bong and take in the THC in a vapor form.

If you smoke pot you are burning off 50% of the THC, this way you get more THC, better highs, and you save a ton of money becasue you don't need much pot to get you high.

Check it out...
 
Re: Dont talk about shit if you have no idea

BeefyBull said:
Marijuana does NOT affect test levels or muscle size. There is virtually no reason you shouldnt do it unless you cant afford it or work at a drug-tested job. It actually provides benefits.

Caffeine & Calcium shouldnt be taken together, but chances are you're taking your Calcium before sleep, and thats not a good time to take Caffeine, so it shouldnt be a problem.


SOUNDS GOOD DOG, ANYBODY GOT A MACTH :havoc:
 
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BeefyBull said:


Have you ever tried it, LS?

Provides Zinc & other minerals

etc, etc.


HUH?!?!?!?! How does smoking something contribute a significant amount of Zinc? Or anything else for that matter?
 
marijuana raises blood sugar levels thus the cravings.

insulin up.. no good!
 
satchboogie said:
marijuana raises blood sugar levels thus the cravings.

insulin up.. no good!

You should get the facts straight before you type something that "ig'nant".

Marijuana does not effect blood sugar levels in any way. The munchies are due to the effects of cannabinoids.
 
BeefyBull said:


You should get the facts straight before you type something that "ig'nant".

Marijuana does not effect blood sugar levels in any way. The munchies are due to the effects of cannabinoids.

well perhaps i'll post the study i am referring to.
allow me to find it.
 
"Marijuana does NOT affect test levels or muscle size. There is virtually no reason you shouldnt do it unless you cant afford it or work at a drug-tested job. It actually provides benefits.

Caffeine & Calcium shouldnt be taken together, but chances are you're taking your Calcium before sleep, and thats not a good time to take Caffeine, so it shouldnt be a problem."

Hey beefy bull, I dont need to post studies to tell you that marijuana causes an elevated level of ESTROGEN even in men. I causes BITCH TITS if you dont believe me, then ask your doctor why they tell gynocomastia patients to lay off the weed. Furthermore, chronic use may seem ok for a while but the majority of people who smoke the shit end up causing anxiety related problems.
Get YOUR facts straight.
 
shrek1971 said:
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Hey beefy bull, I dont need to post studies to tell you that marijuana causes an elevated level of ESTROGEN even in men. I causes BITCH TITS if you dont believe me, then ask your doctor why they tell gynocomastia patients to lay off the weed. Furthermore, chronic use may seem ok for a while but the majority of people who smoke the shit end up causing anxiety related problems.
Get YOUR facts straight. [/B]

agreed
 
Shrek & TxRugby, dont believe everything the government propoganda ads told you. Weed doesnt effect estrogen or test to any noticable degree.


Marijuana: interaction with the estrogen receptor
Sauer MA, Rifka SM, Hawks RL, Cutler GB Jr, Loriaux DL.

Crude marijuana extract competed with estradiol for binding to the estrogen receptor of rat uterine cytosol. Pure delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol, however, did not interact with the estrogen receptor. Ten delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol metabolites also failed to compete with estradiol for its receptor. Of several other common cannabinoids tested, only cannabidiol showed any estrogen receptor binding. This was evident only at very high concentrations of cannabidiol. Apigenin, the aglycone of a flavinoid phytoestrogen found in cannabis, displayed high affinity for the estrogen receptor. To assess the biological significance of these receptor data, estrogen activity was measured in vivo with the uterine growth bioassay, using immature rats. Cannabis extract in large doses exhibited neither estrogenic nor antiestrogenic effects. Thus, although estrogen receptor binding activity was observed in crude marijuana extract, and several known components of cannabis, direct estrogenic activity of cannabis extract could not be demonstrated in vivo.
 
Some more for ya bizzles...

Treatment of Tourette Syndrome with Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol (Delta(9)-THC): No Influence on Neuropsychological Performance.

Muller-Vahl KR, Prevedel H, Theloe K, Kolbe H, Emrich HM, Schneider U.

Previous studies provide evidence that marijuana (Cannabis sativa) and delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Delta(9)-THC), the major psychoactive ingredient of marijuana, respectively, are effective in the treatment of tics and behavioral problems in Tourette syndrome (TS). It, therefore, has been speculated that the central cannabinoid receptor system might be involved in TS pathology. However, in healthy marijuana users there is an ongoing debate as to whether the use of cannabis causes acute and/or long-term cognitive deficits. In this randomized double-blind placebo-controlled study, we investigated the effect of a treatment with up to 10 mg Delta(9)-THC over a 6-week period on neuropsychological performance in 24 patients suffering from TS. During medication and immediately as well as 5-6 weeks after withdrawal of Delta(9)-THC treatment, no detrimental effect was seen on learning curve, interference, recall and recognition of word lists, immediate visual memory span, and divided attention. Measuring immediate verbal memory span, we even found a trend towards a significant improvement during and after treatment. Results from this study corroborate previous data suggesting that in patients suffering from TS, treatment with Delta(9)-THC causes neither acute nor long-term cognitive deficits. Larger and longer-duration controlled studies are recommended to provide more information on the adverse effect profile of THC in patients suffering from TS.Neuropsychopharmacology (2003) 28, 384-388. doi:10.1038/sj.npp.1300047

PMID: 12589392 [PubMed - in process]


Effects of acute smoked marijuana on complex cognitive performance.
Hart CL, van Gorp W, Haney M, Foltin RW, Fischman MW.

Division on Substance Abuse, New York State Psychiatric Institute, 1051 Riverside Drive, New York, NY 10032, USA.

Although the ability to perform complex cognitive operations is assumed to be impaired following acute marijuana smoking, complex cognitive performance after acute marijuana use has not been adequately assessed under experimental conditions. In the present study, we used a within-participant double-blind design to evaluate the effects acute marijuana smoking on complex cognitive performance in experienced marijuana smokers. Eighteen healthy research volunteers (8 females, 10 males), averaging 24 marijuana cigarettes per week, completed this three-session outpatient study; sessions were separated by at least 72-hrs. During sessions, participants completed baseline computerized cognitive tasks, smoked a single marijuana cigarette (0%, 1.8%, or 3.9% Delta(9)-THC w/w), and completed additional cognitive tasks. Blood pressure, heart rate, and subjective effects were also assessed throughout sessions. Marijuana cigarettes were administered in a double-blind fashion and the sequence of Delta(9)-THC concentration order was balanced across participants. Although marijuana significantly increased the number of premature responses and the time participants required to complete several tasks, it had no effect on accuracy on measures of cognitive flexibility, mental calculation, and reasoning. Additionally, heart rate and several subjective-effect ratings (e.g., "Good Drug Effect," "High," "Mellow") were significantly increased in a Delta(9)-THC concentration-dependent manner. These data demonstrate that acute marijuana smoking produced minimal effects on complex cognitive task performance in experienced marijuana users.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial

PMID: 11682259 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Neuropsychological performance in long-term cannabis users.

Pope HG Jr, Gruber AJ, Hudson JI, Huestis MA, Yurgelun-Todd D.

McLean Hospital, Harvard Medical School, 115 Mill St, Belmont, MA 02478, USA.

BACKGROUND: Although cannabis is the most widely used illicit drug in the United States, its long-term cognitive effects remain inadequately studied. METHODS: We recruited individuals aged 30 to 55 years in 3 groups: (1) 63 current heavy users who had smoked cannabis at least 5000 times in their lives and who were smoking daily at study entry; (2) 45 former heavy users who had also smoked at least 5000 times but fewer than 12 times in the last 3 months; and (3) 72 control subjects who had smoked no more than 50 times in their lives. Subjects underwent a 28-day washout from cannabis use, monitored by observed urine samples. On days 0, 1, 7, and 28, we administered a neuropsychological test battery to assess general intellectual function, abstraction ability, sustained attention, verbal fluency, and ability to learn and recall new verbal and visuospatial information. Test results were analyzed by repeated-measures regression analysis, adjusting for potentially confounding variables. RESULTS: At days 0, 1, and 7, current heavy users scored significantly below control subjects on recall of word lists, and this deficit was associated with users' urinary 11-nor-9-carboxy-Delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations at study entry. By day 28, however, there were virtually no significant differences among the groups on any of the test results, and no significant associations between cumulative lifetime cannabis use and test scores. CONCLUSION: Some cognitive deficits appear detectable at least 7 days after heavy cannabis use but appear reversible and related to recent cannabis exposure rather than irreversible and related to cumulative lifetime use.
 
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