Question about mood stuff

[Nathan]

Aiight here's the situation and I warn you, if you think of me as normal please don't read on cause I'd like to keep it that way. I have nothing to hide here so I'll be frank though those of you who know me know most of this already. I saw the doc again yesterday and need to be medicated which I already knew. I knew I had bi-polar disorder and obsessive compulsive disorder, but it ends up I've also been diagnosed with social anxiety disorder (social phobia or some shit) and generalized anxiety disorder as well by more than one doc. In short, I'm fucked somethin' fierce in the head. So the docs recommend I start valproate to get shit going and I need to see another doc for this. I am worried she will want basic blood tests looking also for my CBC and TSH levels to rule out drug related problems. I need to know will any of the following fuck up my levels:

fina
eq
T3 @ 16mcg daily

That is what I am on. I may wait until I stop this cycle but I was gonna bridge with primo so will that fuck anything up? Should I just tell her I juice or will she say she won't help until I'm clean? Trust me, juice is NOT my problem. Has anyone here ever been through meds with a doc who knows they are on? Thanks and any and all help appreciated.

 

[alien amp pharm]

or will she say she won't help until I'm clean?

Wouldn't that be the worst that could happen? I mean it's not like you'd get into trouble or that juicing would mess anything up, right?
If she refuses to go further until you're off your cycle you could always see another doc, like you mentioned.

 

[Nathan]

Re: Re: Question about mood stuff

Wouldn't that be the worst that could happen? I mean it's not like you'd get into trouble or that juicing would mess anything up, right?
If she refuses to go further until you're off your cycle you could always see another doc, like you mentioned.

I'm just afraid they'll think that my quitting gear is a step in fixing myself if that makes sense. Gear has not affected my moods much if any since I started but they won't want to see it that way is my bet.

 

[georgie24]

do you have a girlfriend bro? i thought i had all those symtoms till i found a girl and she makes me happy...hence no more bullshit symtoms

 

[Nathan]

do you have a girlfriend bro? i thought i had all those symtoms till i found a girl and she makes me happy...hence no more bullshit symtoms

No but thanks for bringing that up it's making me feel much better jackass. Actually, it has been a while since my last gf and it would help matters but won't solve everything. I have turned down a few potentials because I was too much of a mess to deal with it - I kick myself every damn day but it was the right thing to do for them at least. This isn't in my head, well it is, but not like I think there's something wrong with me that isn't really there. I have seen about 6-10 docs over the years who have all agreed with my diagnoses.

 

[alien amp pharm]

From what I've witnessed Doctors, for the most part, have a brief knowledge of roids but unless they are involved in them in a way, they are clueless. Your doc may very well believe that stopping the juice is a step towards making it better (even though it's not).

As far as the girlfriend thing, I can kinda see that maybe affecting your moods (to a certain extent). Since my (ex)fiance broke up with me I have a much lower self-esteem, I am more unsociable, I don't hang out w/friends as much, and I haven't really had a desire to start dating again due in part that I have this subconscious delima that I will get screwed over again. We have been serarated for over a year too!

Nathan, if it were me I'd tell the doc. See how she reacts. If she refuses to treat you, go to another doc. Then you'll know what NOT to tell the new doc at least.

 

[Iron Gator]

I have to agree with georgie and alien. It took me almost 3 years to get over my ex. In that time I felt like pure shit most of the time. I had sustained bouts of "low level" depression. It didn't feel low level to me. I had never in my life done drugs and it seemed like overnight I was doing E and coke and all the shit along with it. Last year I started seeing a therapist which helped me out a great deal. One thing though, I was on prozac for about 5 months. It did help stabilize my moods, but it also drained my will to do anything resembling exersize.

In my personal experience gear has a very definite effect on mood. In my case I think it can be a positive one. I have a feeling of "I'm sick of these motherfuckers taking advantage of me! I'm not gonna take it anymore!" I can channel those type of aggressive feelings into positive feelings about myself. Also I tend to get much less emotional and more fuck it when I'm on.

So anyway I know this is a rambling post thats going nowhere but just want to wish you luck and tell you that I really enjoy reading your smart ass posts!

Good Luck

 

[alien amp pharm]

In that time I felt like pure shit most of the time. I had sustained bouts of "low level" depression.

That's because you're a Gator fan. Depression is often a symptom of Gator fans due to their inability to dominate in SEC football.

Go VOLS!

 

[IronMonkey69]

Nathan, in all likelyhood the GP will not prescribe meds while your on cycle. Should you tell her, personally i would level with her. She can then try to determine if there will be a bad drug interaction. Plus I can pretty much guarantee that the T3 is going to skew the results for your TSH. I'd recommend finishing your cycle, stopping half way will just cause you added stress that you dont need right now.


That Valproate should do you well, just be real skepticle about any anti-anxiety meds they might recommend. Best of luck

 

[Iron Gator]

That's because you're a Gator fan. Depression is often a symptom of Gator fans due to their inability to dominate in SEC football.

Go VOLS!

Damn Vol! Who taught you to read?

 

[Nathan]

Nathan, in all likelyhood the GP will not prescribe meds while your on cycle. Should you tell her, personally i would level with her. She can then try to determine if there will be a bad drug interaction. Plus I can pretty much guarantee that the T3 is going to skew the results for your TSH. I'd recommend finishing your cycle, stopping half way will just cause you added stress that you dont need right now.


That Valproate should do you well, just be real skepticle about any anti-anxiety meds they might recommend. Best of luck

Iknew the T3 would alter my TSH but I believe fina reduces TSH as it is. I dunno. I'd like some more opinions if it's cool. Maybe some of that technical homrone jazz.

 

[Nathan]

Bump for more feedback from the team. Gotta support the team.

 

[needsize]

Bro, I'm a social worker so I deal with these kind of meds every day. First, never heard of social anxiety disorder, must be the new flavor of the month they like to diagnose everyone with. All bodybuilders have OCD to some extent. I believe bi-polar is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, so any meds prescribed for that are going to be to affect brain chemistry, actually, pretty sure that's what valproic acid is for. I've never heard of gear affecting brain chemistry before, hormonal levels yes, but not the same neuro transmitters that the medication should be targetting. My thoughts are that you should be fine, they gear and meds shouldn't have any contra-indications with each other. It's your call as to whether or not you wanna be honest with your doc though

 

[marky]

Nathan, I understand exactly where your at. Pm me, i may be able to help-Mark

 

[nox]

from what i've read eq will raise your erythropoeitin levels causing higher red blood cell numbers - so that may throw your cbc count outside of normal range.

 

[thx9000]

Valporic acid (valproate ) is metabolized by the liver, and impaired liver function is not something you want if you are on this drug. They will probably want frequent liver function tests for the first 6 months of therapy, and if the fina or eq have elevated you values they will probably not put you on the drug at all.

 

[gimp]

All doctors will want full bloodwork either when they start you on valproate or shortly after. Now, I'm new to steroids and can't profess to know exactly what your blood work will look like, but I'm certain that there will be abnormalities in a fair amount of areas. NOX is right, you will have an increase in your red blood cell count due to Eq, due to erythropietin. Basically, everything will look out of whack... If you don't tell the doc that you're using AS, he will likely send you to a specialist thinking that something is up. So it's better to either finish up your cycle and have a full recovery and then see about the valproate or tell the doc you are seeing and wait for his response. I think it's unlikely that anybody will prescribe you valproate while you're on a cycle. Most psychiatrists need a thorough drug history when treating patients as they see drugs (legal or illegal) as potentially affecting your moods. As for your diagnoses, I've worked in the mental health system long enough to know that most people have symptoms from all areas and almost any diagnosis fits sometimes. Bi-polar disorder is only a step away from schizo-affective disorder, just with more paranoia...Social anxiety disorder, all anxiety disorders all have similar symptoms. Screw diagnoses, look more at your symptoms and select what treatment ,either pharmacological or therapy, that works for you.

 

[Nathan]

Thanks guys. They also called the social anxiety disorder social phobia - same thing I guess. Anyway, I guess I'll go through with my appointment and make it clear that if I level with the doc that I want it to stay between us. See what she says. Can't hurt I guess. I guess I'll have to request something other than valproic acid too cause I ain't stressing the liver anymore. Yes, my liver enzymes will be high and so will my red blood cell count and my T3 and TSH will be off. If she asks for blood work which I assume she will then I'll have to be honest. Anyway, thanks guys. Any more?

 

[nuh_mizer]

No but thanks for bringing that up it's making me feel much better jackass..

LMAO

Dude I wish I had a cure all answer for you. I do know that if you tell the doctors you take steroids, they will most certainly try to blame your problems on that. However, that being said, you should inform them of what you are taking so they know whats going on.
I'd hook you up with my sister but she's a bitch.

 

[Nathan]

LMAO

Dude I wish I had a cure all answer for you. I do know that if you tell the doctors you take steroids, they will most certainly try to blame your problems on that. However, that being said, you should inform them of what you are taking so they know whats going on.
I'd hook you up with my sister but she's a bitch.

Yeah, but is she a hot bitch?

 

[gimp]

Remeber, anything you tell to a doc is PRIVILEDGED info. The only things docs are able to divulge to authorities (at least in canada) is 1: child abuse 2:murder 3:whether or not the doc believes you are a danger to yourself or others. Believe me, #3 is very hard to prove, you have to have solid plan to harm yourself or others and make plans on following through. Otherwise, anything else you talk about can only be divulged to other health care proffesionals with permission from you by signing a form 14. That's it, good luck.

 

[casavant]

Try not to think of yourself as a headcase man. That can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. You would be amazed at the number or "normal" folks on medication.

Don't know the answer to your anabolic question, but I just thought I'd throw that at you anyway.

 

[Nathan]

Bump for more info about nuh_mizer's sister.

 

[DepressiveJuice]

social anxiety isnt new- its fairly old. ive been dealing with it for 11 years but it wasnt until 2 years ago that i knew what it was. it was an eye opener for me, when i found out about it. i thought i was just an odd person. i went to a psych last year and told her that i was using steroids. she recommended that i shuld come off them but she didnt deny treating me. she only put me on 10mg of paxil and told me to go see her again in two weeks- to see how its working for me. never went back there though. i think that the meds for social anxiety just mast the problem and a better option would be CBT. ask your psych if there are places where you can get CBT

 

[SUST-MAN]

just think.....What would the hulk do...

 

[georgie24]

social anxiety isnt new- its fairly old. ive been dealing with it for 11 years but it wasnt until 2 years ago that i knew what it was. it was an eye opener for me, when i found out about it. i thought i was just an odd person. i went to a psych last year and told her that i was using steroids. she recommended that i shuld come off them but she didnt deny treating me. she only put me on 10mg of paxil and told me to go see her again in two weeks- to see how its working for me. never went back there though. i think that the meds for social anxiety just mast the problem and a better option would be CBT. ask your psych if there are places where you can get CBT

what is cbt?

 

[Nathan]

just think.....What would the hulk do...

Yeah, I wish i knew. Dude must have it pretty tough what with being green and all....oh, and of course with being radioactive. I guess it could be worse.


What the hell is CBT?

 

[DepressiveJuice]

sorry. its just a form of therapy for people with SAD

 

[Nathan]

sorry. its just a form of therapy for people with SAD

Does it invlove walking in a crowd of people with my pants around my ankles? Cause I'm totally game if it does.

 

[DepressiveJuice]

hehe. tell me, do you have a good idea what social anxiety is?

 

[Nathan]

hehe. tell me, do you have a good idea what social anxiety is?

I think Ido but if you'd care to outline it I'd be greatful. I've mostly dealt with my OCD and bi-polar disorder. The social anxiety has always been there but I never had it diagnosed until recently.

 

[DepressiveJuice]

http://www.social-anxiety.org/

 

[Nathan]

http://www.social-anxiety.org/

Yeah that's the one. Thanks.

 

[marky]

Nathan Sent you a pm

For someone with social anxiety you communicate pretty freely.
Something I didnt mention in the pm- a gf is like a sharp side and a dull side on a knife-just be sure at all times which side your dealing with!!

 

[DepressiveJuice]

well nathan is communicated freely because there is no face to face contact. some people with SAD have problems talking over the phone, some have problems posting on boards, etc. it affects people differently. a better defenition of social anxiey is extreme shyness. i always thought that bipolar and social anxiety together was an oxymoron- the manic stages are the total opposite of being shy

 

[marky]

Then maybe i was shy

but i was popular in HS and made my impression. I alway felt like i was the best actor, yet underneath i was looking to be alone, but that really wasnt what I wanted. Does this sound familiar?
Something was wrong then and still is. Just that now im an adult with a lot more experience to help me deal. In reality i have found that i am more naturally a tell him to shut up extrovert, but NOT then.

 

[DepressiveJuice]

"i was looking to be alone, but that really wasnt what I wanted. Does this sound familiar?"

in a way. there is a difference between shy people and people with social anxiety. things that you take for granted (such as making a phone call, eating in front of someone, being around a group of people, making small talk, getting a job) are very hard for someone with social anxiety to do. eating alone at a restaurant is a big accomplishment for some people with social anxiety. there are worse things out there though

 

[THE BOUNCER]

i say this is all a bunch of bullshit!!! go hit some fucking weights and your problems will be solved. i think to many normal people like to bitch about how they have problem's. the problem is that most of us live in rich countries so we have to find drama some were. you don't see people who live in africa, or jamaca, or other poor countries bitching about social anxiety! it's because they have more important issue's such as staying alive. so what, your daddy beat you or didn't love you, everybody has fucking problems, live with it. all i am saying is if you look at the larger scale such as Sept 11th all are little petty problems don't make much sence. get tough people, were getting to soft nowadays!

 

[DepressiveJuice]

no one is bitching. but what youre basically saying is that i should feel better because people died in sept 11. mmk

 

[georgie24]

no one is bitching. but what youre basically saying is that i should feel better because people died in sept 11. mmk

are you still running ckd, t-3 and test? hows it going?

 

[THE BOUNCER]

no one is bitching. but what youre basically saying is that i should feel better because people died in sept 11. mmk

know i am not saying anything of the kind! i am just saying if you step back and look at what really matters, are petty problems are nothing in the scheme of things.

 

[DepressiveJuice]

youre right. petty problems dont run the world they just run your individual life....and anyone close to you. seriously though, i know what youre saying