question about cycle

[cmattcox]

hey guys, im running

prop, tren, and masteron @75mg EOD...

for precautions I also am taking

exemestane @ 6.25mg ED
omega-3 1200mg 3x/day
flaxseed 1000mg 3x/day
cla 800mg 3x/day
milk thistle 150mg 3x/day

my diet
~200-250g protein a day (chicken, steak, fish, whey isolate, casein, milk, cottage cheese)
carbs mostly threw broccoli, asparagas, pedialyte, ( minimal threw oatmeal, yams, grains)
fats threw almonds, avacado

anyways... as you can see I am cutting. After day 40.. which is when my two bottles of (prop,tren, masteron) will be finished.. i am considering changing it up and getting a bottle of prop and masteron... also was considering runing them at .75cc EOD so my prop and masteron dose will not change (75mg EOD) I also have around ~45 25mg anavar tabs and can get more.. my question is will keeping those doses of prop and masteron the same and adding in anavar at 50mg/day and extending my cycle by 3.33shots (6-7 days) be benificial for me? I find that tren possibly is hard for me to come off and keep strength gains and think this could be good for me.

I also have 5000iu of hcg that i might start using at 250iu 2x week if i feel my balls shrinking or just throw in pct which will probably be clomid... i have liked nova in the past but have heard great stuff about clomid.

as of right now i am at day 23 so i have a couple weeks to decide if i should stay on the same three compounds or come off the tren and replace with anavar to maybe help my body come off of my cycle easier. I also might add in t3 at 12.5mcg ED just to rev metabolism.. i am not a huge fan of ramping, it makes my diet and cardio inconsistant.

any imput would be greatly apprieciated! last time a checked a few days ago i was at 7.65%bf and right before the cyce i was at 9.8% so i am making great gains so far IMO.

 

[dylangemelli]

you need to post stats before we can answer any questions...

age/height/weight/body fat

 

[cmattcox]

21/5'10"/180/7.65%

also not a bodybuilder, im an athlete but also going to do a mens physique for fun

 

[muscleaddiction]

Welcome to the forums, even though you have been here since 2009, this is your 1st time posting a thread.

This is your first cycle I am assuming? I have to say it...too young for AAS son!

 

[obsessedwliftin]

Bro do not ever run Nolva with Tren. That being said we need a little cycle history here. Var will in absolutely no way replace the strength gains with Tren. Nothing does IMO. Running a cutter like that the Var might help a bit but not near what you have experienced with Tren. I would finish my cycle and PCT and then look at adding the Var into the next cycle.

 

[muscleaddiction]

hey guys, im running

prop, tren, and masteron @75mg EOD...

for precautions I also am taking

exemestane @ 6.25mg ED
omega-3 1200mg 3x/day
flaxseed 1000mg 3x/day
cla 800mg 3x/day
milk thistle 150mg 3x/day

my diet
~200-250g protein a day (chicken, steak, fish, whey isolate, casein, milk, cottage cheese)
carbs mostly threw broccoli, asparagas, pedialyte, ( minimal threw oatmeal, yams, grains)
fats threw almonds, avacado

anyways... as you can see I am cutting. After day 40.. which is when my two bottles of (prop,tren, masteron) will be finished.. i am considering changing it up and getting a bottle of prop and masteron... also was considering runing them at .75cc EOD so my prop and masteron dose will not change (75mg EOD) I also have around ~45 25mg anavar tabs and can get more.. my question is will keeping those doses of prop and masteron the same and adding in anavar at 50mg/day and extending my cycle by 3.33shots (6-7 days) be benificial for me? I find that tren possibly is hard for me to come off and keep strength gains and think this could be good for me.

I also have 5000iu of hcg that i might start using at 250iu 2x week if i feel my balls shrinking or just throw in pct which will probably be clomid... i have liked nova in the past but have heard great stuff about clomid.

as of right now i am at day 23 so i have a couple weeks to decide if i should stay on the same three compounds or come off the tren and replace with anavar to maybe help my body come off of my cycle easier. I also might add in t3 at 12.5mcg ED just to rev metabolism.. i am not a huge fan of ramping, it makes my diet and cardio inconsistant.

any imput would be greatly apprieciated! last time a checked a few days ago i was at 7.65%bf and right before the cyce i was at 9.8% so i am making great gains so far IMO.

^^^this is a complete mess!!! You have no idea what you are doing do you? Sorry if I seem condescending, but you are going down a dangerous road. How long is this cycle actually? Where is your PCT? You have a mess in your hands son, and you need to change everything before your screw yourself up for the rest of your life...so you're three weeks into this disaster, how much longer are you planning to try and make this work?

 

[obsessedwliftin]

^^^^^And then there is always this! However I was going to get there in a moment but MA beat me to it. Lol

 

[cmattcox]

^^^this is a complete mess!!! You have no idea what you are doing do you? Sorry if I seem condescending, but you are going down a dangerous road. How long is this cycle actually? Where is your PCT? You have a mess in your hands son, and you need to change everything before your screw yourself up for the rest of your life...so you're three weeks into this disaster, how much longer are you planning to try and make this work?

my cycle will be 67 days.. then my post cycle will start.. i also believe i know what i am doing. No nolva will be used, clomid will be used as i said... i think i am taking a lot of precautions... AI while on cycle exe used ED at 6.25mg, liver protect, omegas, healthy diet.. also i have used these compounds before with great results! I also say that tren is hard to come off of as in the strength gains.. that i lose them even if i pct correctly with hcg and clomid.. what is so bad about my cycle? 75mg of each compound eod is not a bad dose?

 

[cmattcox]

sorry for confusion bros let me try and make it look more organized for you guys

day 1-40 prop,tren a, masteron p @ 75mg each EOD
day 41-67 prop, masteron p @ 75mg EOD
days 41-67 anavar @ 50mg ED
days 1-67 exemestane @ 6.25mg ED

POSSIBLY adding in T3 at 12.5mcg ED (no ramping) if i add in T3 i will continue it into pct and possibly weeks after to make sure my metabolism is "reaved"

PCT
probably using clomid (unless yall have a better suggestion)
starting two days after last shot
day 69 300mg clomid
day 70-79 100mg clomid
day 80-89 50mg clomid

 

[dylangemelli]

sorry for confusion bros let me try and make it look more organized for you guys

day 1-40 prop,tren a, masteron p @ 75mg each EOD
day 41-67 prop, masteron p @ 75mg EOD
days 41-67 anavar @ 50mg ED
days 1-67 exemestane @ 6.25mg ED

POSSIBLY adding in T3 at 12.5mcg ED (no ramping) if i add in T3 i will continue it into pct and possibly weeks after to make sure my metabolism is "reaved"

PCT
probably using clomid (unless yall have a better suggestion)
starting two days after last shot
day 69 300mg clomid
day 70-79 100mg clomid
day 80-89 50mg clomid

i just cannot get over the fact that you are only 21 and running such a fucking hard core cycle like this... you have no clue what your doing to yourself and its such a waste and such a young age... its obviously too late now since your already this far into it but your making a HUGE fucking mistake here man, just huge...

the only reason im helping here is because its too late now anyway but i would NEVER recommend anyone your age taking any aas especially anything like this...

if your going to add anavar then you definitely are going to need n2guard with it... its very toxic and will be harmful to liver, bp, etc...

please do not add t3 to this... its just a really bad idea and there's absolutely no need for it whatsoever... anavar is more than enough...

run anavar at 60 mg...

did you have anything for prolactin with tren?? you should have caber or prami on hand...

do you have an AI?

your pct is the most concerning of all this...

your dosage is so fucked up... there is no need to go above 25 mg on clomid...

PCT: clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5 unleashed/post cycle combo forma stanzol lean xtreme


I really hope when you complete this cycle that you take a step back and train naturally... what you are doing is just not good for someone your age... I just don't want you to damage yourself so I am trying to help you get it right but you are way too young to be doing this...

 

[cmattcox]

i just cannot get over the fact that you are only 21 and running such a fucking hard core cycle like this... you have no clue what your doing to yourself and its such a waste and such a young age... its obviously too late now since your already this far into it but your making a HUGE fucking mistake here man, just huge...

the only reason im helping here is because its too late now anyway but i would NEVER recommend anyone your age taking any aas especially anything like this...

if your going to add anavar then you definitely are going to need n2guard with it... its very toxic and will be harmful to liver, bp, etc...

please do not add t3 to this... its just a really bad idea and there's absolutely no need for it whatsoever... anavar is more than enough...

run anavar at 60 mg...

did you have anything for prolactin with tren?? you should have caber or prami on hand...

do you have an AI?

your pct is the most concerning of all this...

your dosage is so fucked up... there is no need to go above 25 mg on clomid...

PCT: clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5 unleashed/post cycle combo forma stanzol lean xtreme


I really hope when you complete this cycle that you take a step back and train naturally... what you are doing is just not good for someone your age... I just don't want you to damage yourself so I am trying to help you get it right but you are way too young to be doing this...

I appreciate your imput greatly! However i do have some disagreements and would like to discuss them with you furthermore.

1. First, anavar is not very liver toxic.. i am taking milk thistle, drinking at least a gallon of water a day, other juices, antioxidants, also would never drink alcohol on cycle.. I honestly think my liver will be fine. I had blood work done before my cycle everything was good the doc said. RBC higher than normal but i am an athlete i feel like that is normal.

2. reason for T3 at a dose of 12.5mcg ED is to maintain a good solid metabolism even after my cycle.. I feel like after stopping anabolics that your bodies metabolism will slow down a little due to that boost you dont have, that loss of drive that you fight to keep up but still is very hard to train/eat the same when off cycle. The T3 is not being ramped which IMO would make my cycle more unpredictable and harder on my body/ thyroid.

3. anavar will be ran at 50mg ED, my tabs are 25mg each so 60mg is out of the question, i don't feel 75mg would be more appropriate either, just more $.

4. For prolactin issues, i have cabaser on hand and would take .25mg EOD if i need. So far no progesterone/gyno/prolactin side effects of my cycle thus far.

5. As i stated above... i do have an AI that i am using.. I am using exemestane (aromasin) at 6.25mg ED... Also, my cycle (prop,tren,masteron) does not run a high risk of aromatization.. prop is the only thing that could aromatize.. the masteron and tren are pretty androgenic and i am already at a low bf that will further help prevent gyno. I feel like it takes fat in the breast area for gyno to form and aromatizing steroids such as npp or dbol to really run you at a risk for gyno... I also might add that masteron though not an AI, almost assists in estrogen side effect prevention..

6. As far as my clomid dose.. i feel like alot of people use the protocol 300mg for Day 1; 100mg/day for Days 2-11; and 50mg/day for Days 12-21.. however, i am going to be researching more into this to find the most appropriate dose for my pct...

7. I am not sure what unleashed/post cycle combo forma stanzol lean xtreme is.. sounds like over the counter meds.... i just looked up forma stanzol because it sounded like winstrol and it seems to be an AI which would NOT be good to run in PCT. I will be using clomid and hcg in my pct.

8. As far as training naturally, I will probably take one more aas in my life, next year and will be done with aas. As i stated i am an athlete and am using these drugs in an appropriate matter imo to better my fitness and performance. I do understand it is not often encouraged to take anabolics at my age. I do truly care about my health and am taking precautions; clean diet, liver detox, omegas, antioxidants, AI, seeking proper pct, multiple blood work trips, self evaluations of how i am feelings, logging weight, bf, strength levels, cardio output, stress levels, sleep schedule and many other things..

The purpose of my post in here was not to get bashed for what i am doing. I honestly feel that some of the criticism was harsh or caused by misinterpretation of what i am exactly doing. My question was regarding coming off of tren. Does anyone feel that replacing tren with anavar after 40 days would help me keep more gains once i am fully off aas? Tren is a strong compound and i love the effects but i feel taking it out the last~4 weeks and replacing it with anavar could maybe ease my body and possibly allow for me to greater my cardiovascular output (w/var) with extra production of creatine phosphates allowing for greater ATP output when putting my body threw workouts that involve the (adp-pc) energy system and anaerobic glycolysis. Those two energy systems are primarily what I use for my type of training and sport. Not as much atp created from aerobic system glycolysis -- krebs cyle -- oxiative phosphorylation...

Also i would like to note that i acknowledge aerobic and anaerobic systems work together and your body will switch which one is being used to create atp for you but i predominantly use the first two.

 

[dylangemelli]

I appreciate your imput greatly! However i do have some disagreements and would like to discuss them with you furthermore.

1. First, anavar is not very liver toxic.. i am taking milk thistle, drinking at least a gallon of water a day, other juices, antioxidants, also would never drink alcohol on cycle.. I honestly think my liver will be fine. I had blood work done before my cycle everything was good the doc said. RBC higher than normal but i am an athlete i feel like that is normal.

2. reason for T3 at a dose of 12.5mcg ED is to maintain a good solid metabolism even after my cycle.. I feel like after stopping anabolics that your bodies metabolism will slow down a little due to that boost you dont have, that loss of drive that you fight to keep up but still is very hard to train/eat the same when off cycle. The T3 is not being ramped which IMO would make my cycle more unpredictable and harder on my body/ thyroid.

3. anavar will be ran at 50mg ED, my tabs are 25mg each so 60mg is out of the question, i don't feel 75mg would be more appropriate either, just more $.

4. For prolactin issues, i have cabaser on hand and would take .25mg EOD if i need. So far no progesterone/gyno/prolactin side effects of my cycle thus far.

5. As i stated above... i do have an AI that i am using.. I am using exemestane (aromasin) at 6.25mg ED... Also, my cycle (prop,tren,masteron) does not run a high risk of aromatization.. prop is the only thing that could aromatize.. the masteron and tren are pretty androgenic and i am already at a low bf that will further help prevent gyno. I feel like it takes fat in the breast area for gyno to form and aromatizing steroids such as npp or dbol to really run you at a risk for gyno... I also might add that masteron though not an AI, almost assists in estrogen side effect prevention..

6. As far as my clomid dose.. i feel like alot of people use the protocol 300mg for Day 1; 100mg/day for Days 2-11; and 50mg/day for Days 12-21.. however, i am going to be researching more into this to find the most appropriate dose for my pct...

7. I am not sure what unleashed/post cycle combo forma stanzol lean xtreme is.. sounds like over the counter meds.... i just looked up forma stanzol because it sounded like winstrol and it seems to be an AI which would NOT be good to run in PCT. I will be using clomid and hcg in my pct.

8. As far as training naturally, I will probably take one more aas in my life, next year and will be done with aas. As i stated i am an athlete and am using these drugs in an appropriate matter imo to better my fitness and performance. I do understand it is not often encouraged to take anabolics at my age. I do truly care about my health and am taking precautions; clean diet, liver detox, omegas, antioxidants, AI, seeking proper pct, multiple blood work trips, self evaluations of how i am feelings, logging weight, bf, strength levels, cardio output, stress levels, sleep schedule and many other things..

The purpose of my post in here was not to get bashed for what i am doing. I honestly feel that some of the criticism was harsh or caused by misinterpretation of what i am exactly doing. My question was regarding coming off of tren. Does anyone feel that replacing tren with anavar after 40 days would help me keep more gains once i am fully off aas? Tren is a strong compound and i love the effects but i feel taking it out the last~4 weeks and replacing it with anavar could maybe ease my body and possibly allow for me to greater my cardiovascular output (w/var) with extra production of creatine phosphates allowing for greater ATP output when putting my body threw workouts that involve the (adp-pc) energy system and anaerobic glycolysis. Those two energy systems are primarily what I use for my type of training and sport. Not as much atp created from aerobic system glycolysis -- krebs cyle -- oxiative phosphorylation...

Also i would like to note that i acknowledge aerobic and anaerobic systems work together and your body will switch which one is being used to create atp for you but i predominantly use the first two.

Your fucking kidding me right?? Your 21 years old and your telling ME how to do shit... LOLL i've been doing this half the time you've fucking been alive...

I am definitely sorry i went against my principles of even trying to help someone that shouldn't be doing this anyway... go ahead and run your crazy dosage of clomid... go ahead and think anavar is not toxic LOLLL fuck me man... you know it all already and your the type of person i can't fucking tolerate... someone that asks for help, yet already has all the answers ad tries to tell people who have all the experience in the world how to do shit... GOOD LUCK TO YOU because I for one will not even attempt to help you one bit... I could really care less ( and i fucking care about everyone on here) what the fuck you do... and your probably not going to get much help from anyone else, but hey, you dont need it! you already know it all!

 

[cmattcox]

I think you are being a little aggressive. I apologize for offending you/making you upset, I am in no way telling you how to do your shiiit bro. If you have been doing this for 10+ years than i want your advise and input! Also with reasoning behind it. Okay, so a lot of stuff you seem to not like... how would you structure my pct, and what would you do about the anavar? Do you recommend me not take it to prevent liver damage?

As far as the crazy clomid dosage here are reasons why I stated that i might run it the way i stated

Saw a protocol at 150mg per day for at least a couple weeks and then slowly tapering down.

Another by Radar an ELITE MODERATOR at elitefitness recommends....Run Clomid 2 weeks after last injection at 200mg on day 1, then 100mg for 10 days, 50mg for 10 days.


(this was referring to a test enanthate cycle reasoning behind the difference in time before first dose of clomid)


I have also seen clomid doses ran @50/50/25/25


I am not against your clomid dose, I am still researching proper dose... there are different protocols dude.. and i am seeking the best option, so i WILL look up your protocol you have given me.... I am not stating I know everything and I am seeking advise from the gurus on this forum. I dont think you have taken everything I said the way I wanted you to interpret it to you. I am definitely going to spend a lot of time researching protocols and dosages before I am in my pct... There seems to be some grey area as I have just normally seen higher doses used... I am not against yours yet it is just new to me.



I understand my age makes some uncomfortable being 21 almost 22 but that is a choice i am making. Its fine if you judge me and disagree with my decision but I really love my sport and i will do anything it takes to get better everyday. If we could get past this one issue I think we could get on better terms.



dylangemelli and anybody else willing to share an opinion.



situation
If I took out tren and adding in Anavar@50mg (10mg less than recommend to me earlier) for 26days (less than 4 weeks) starting at day 41 going on until day 67.....


1. Do you think this will cause liver damage to me? How significant?



2. Do you think this method of switching compounds could help me come off of my cycle easier by taking out a strong androgen and replacing it with a weaker compound.


Note: I am unsure if this would help me come off of my cycle easier? When I think about it, it sounds good but wanted another opinion on this particular question.

 

[Essie]

Such a shame cycling at your age Bro ... and then, to top it off, you run such a hard and harsh cycle ...

 

[dylangemelli]

I think you are being a little aggressive. I apologize for offending you/making you upset, I am in no way telling you how to your shiiit bro. If you have been doing this for 10+ years than i want your advise and input! Also with reasoning behind it. Okay, so a lot of stuff you seem to not like... how would you structure my pct, and what would you do about the anavar? Do you recommend me not take it to prevent liver damage?

As far as the crazy clomid dosage here are reasons why I stated that i might run it the way i stated

Saw a protocol at 150mg per day for at least a couple weeks and then slowly tapering down.

Another by Radar an ELITE MODERATOR at elitefitness recommends....Run Clomid 2 weeks after last injection at 200mg on day 1, then 100mg for 10 days, 50mg for 10 days.


(this was referring to a test enanthate cycle reasoning behind the difference in time before first dose of clomid)


I have also seen clomid doses ran @50/50/25/25


I am not against your clomid dose, I am still researching proper dose... there are different protocols dude.. and i am seeking the best option, so i WILL look up your protocol you have given me.... I am not stating I know everything and I am seeking advise from the gurus on this forum. I dont think you have taken everything I said the way I wanted to interpret it to you. I am definitely going to spend a lot of time researching protocols and dosages before I am in my pct... There seems to be some grey area as I have just normally seen higher doses used... I am not against yours yet it is just new to me.



I understand my age makes some uncomfortable being 21 almost 22 but that is a choice i am making. Its fine if you judge me and disagree with my decision but I really love my sport and i will do anything it takes to get better everyday. If we could get past this one issue I think we could get on better terms.



dylangemelli and anybody else willing to share an opinion.



situation
If I took out tren and adding in Anavar@50mg (10mg less than recommend to me earlier) for 26days (less than 4 weeks) starting at day 41 going on until day 67.....


1. Do you think this will cause liver damage to me? How significant?



2. Do you think this method of switching compounds could help me come off of my cycle easier by taking out a strong androgen and replacing it with a weaker compound.


Note: I am unsure if this would help me come off of my cycle easier? When I think about it, it sounds good but wanted another opinion on this particular question.

i can assure you that Radar does not follow that protocol anymore... He and I are very close friends and we both recommend the same pct to everyone... He may have followed that some time ago but I ASSURE you that the clomid dosage i laid out for you is the one he now follows...

anavar is not going to cause you liver damage if you protect yourself but you don't want to run any orals without protecting yourself... anavar can shut you down and can be toxic and can also mess with lipids as well... its obviously not the harshest oral out there but you still need to protect yourself... trust me, anavar is fucking great... i am running it as we speak and i fucking love it but i have taken every precaution with it because if you don't you will be sorry...

the unleashed/post cycle combo is going to help you recover properly in pct ran along side the lower dosage of clomid... this has been proven over and over by so many that have been using this protocol... some people don't believe in using any otc in pct but I would NEVER recommend something that was not the best possible way to do something... I recommended the lean xtreme for you in particular to make sure your corisol is under control in pct and because i assume with the compounds you are running that this would be of help for your goals... if not, don't use it but it works well... at the very least, you want to run clomid at the dosage i laid out along with the unleashed/post cycle combo...

you want to run anavar at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks but 6 weeks is going to be optimal... anything less than 4 weeks is simply not worth it...

im not sure that switching over to anavar is going to help you come off cycle any easier but it will definitely harden you up nicely... hcg or hcgenerate is going to help to prevent on cycle shutdown going in to pct and that is what's going to make recovery easier...

if you run the proper support with anavar you are good to go with it...

 

[cmattcox]

i can assure you that Radar does not follow that protocol anymore... He and I are very close friends and we both recommend the same pct to everyone... He may have followed that some time ago but I ASSURE you that the clomid dosage i laid out for you is the one he now follows...

anavar is not going to cause you liver damage if you protect yourself but you don't want to run any orals without protecting yourself... anavar can shut you down and can be toxic and can also mess with lipids as well... its obviously not the harshest oral out there but you still need to protect yourself... trust me, anavar is fucking great... i am running it as we speak and i fucking love it but i have taken every precaution with it because if you don't you will be sorry...

the unleashed/post cycle combo is going to help you recover properly in pct ran along side the lower dosage of clomid... this has been proven over and over by so many that have been using this protocol... some people don't believe in using any otc in pct but I would NEVER recommend something that was not the best possible way to do something... I recommended the lean xtreme for you in particular to make sure your corisol is under control in pct and because i assume with the compounds you are running that this would be of help for your goals... if not, don't use it but it works well... at the very least, you want to run clomid at the dosage i laid out along with the unleashed/post cycle combo...

you want to run anavar at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks but 6 weeks is going to be optimal... anything less than 4 weeks is simply not worth it...

im not sure that switching over to anavar is going to help you come off cycle any easier but it will definitely harden you up nicely... hcg or hcgenerate is going to help to prevent on cycle shutdown going in to pct and that is what's going to make recovery easier...

if you run the proper support with anavar you are good to go with it...

Woo! This seems to point me in the right direction. Thank you very much for putting some time into explanation of these things.

I will be protecting myself the best I can while running anavar, using milk thistle, antioxidants, getting lipid profiles checked by doctor

I am going to look into -unleashed/post cycle combo and possibly run along it along with my clomid dose... that i still will be researching but as of right now the dose is probably going to be smaller than I first said.

Also I will look into lean xtreme to assist with lowering cortisol levels.. I have not considered this precaution thus far because I have considered my stress levels/recovery fine in the past but i am seeking the best possible protection so this will be looked into and possibly incorporated.

Yes, I will have hcg along in my pct... As of right now (I can get more if needed) I have 5000iu, if i suspecte testicular shrinkage I was going to maybe start hcg at 250iu 2x/wk... now so far I dont have any symptoms and will have the full 5000iu starting pct.. I have seen many different protocols.. what is the one followed by this board? I have seen 500iu ED for 10days.. first day 3000iu, than a week later 2000iu (these all in pct)

Also anyone with any input on my original question: Switching to Anavar, will this make the cycle easier to come off possibly? Or anyone willing to share their clomid/hcg protocol for pct and possibly ran with unleashed/post cycle combo and lean xtreme?

I seek to have the best end result without unwanted sides.. So thank you all for your input this far.

 

[muscleaddiction]

Son, it seems that you have stepped down from your high horse and took the chip off your shoulder which is a good thing...yes you are too young to be running cycles, but like you said your choice. We understand that and will go against what we believe and help because now we are in preventative mode...trying to prevent you from doing any further damage to yourself. We are older...I am 2x your age and been in this game for 20+ years. Guys like Dylan and I care about our brothers on this forum, many others do too. This is our home, so you have come into our home...respect it, respect us. We will go out of our way to help you, all you have to do is be.receptive of the recommendations and know that they come from knowledge and experience...real life experience. If we come across aggressive it is because of either your tone or attitude, or simply because we care. If we didn't care, we would say sure, go ahead bro...sick cycle! That is not us, that is not this forum. Dylan is one knowledgeable bro here who holds a masters degree in nutrition and is a certified trainer...you are blessed to have him aggressively giving you assistance. I don't have all the answers, so we all have our expertise and experience that we share on this forum to educate kids such as yourself so they do things healthy, right, and don't make the same mistakes we made or others have made. You seem pretty damn knowledgeable on this subject for your age, it shows you have done some homework, but we all are continuing to learn and educate ourselves daily, so don't think you know it all...I sure don't. We are here to help, heed Dylans and our warnings that you are in need of some more education before you screw yourself up for the rest of your life.

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[cmattcox]

Such a shame cycling at your age Bro ... and then, to top it off, you run such a hard and harsh cycle ...

Thanks brah.... Let me give you my goals and reasoning behind my choice in compounds

My fitness goals:
1. Get to 5% bf and see what kind of bf I can maintain without aas or loss in strength/cardio
2. Increase my Vo2 max to anywhere from 70-80ml/kg/min
3. Be able to maintain 50+ pullup max without aas/ eventually work up to 100 pullups a day
4. Have an overall balance of physical attributes that will assist in my sports training/performance

If I am correct with having a structured diet/training along with the compounds prop,tren,masteron,anavar,T3 would assist me with:

anticatabolic properties when at a calories deficient diet
increased metabolism
positive nitrogen balance
increase protein synthesis
interaction with the aromatase enzymes to inhibit aromatization
increase in ATP threw adp-pc cycle

These are all things I seek, yes my age is questionable but I came here to get help on how to structure what I am already doing, not to hear.. ohh you are too young. I appreiciate your concern, but would value advise on my questions more that that simple answer.

 

[cmattcox]

Son, it seems that you have stepped down from your high horse and took the chip off your shoulder which is a good thing...yes you are too young to be running cycles, but like you said your choice. We understand that and will go against what we believe and help because now we are in preventative mode...trying to prevent you from doing any further damage to yourself. We are older...I am 2x your age and been in this game for 20+ years. Guys like Dylan and I care about our brothers on this forum, many others do too. This is our home, so you have come into our home...respect it, respect us. We will go out of our way to help you, all you have to do is be.receptive of the recommendations and know that they come from knowledge and experience...real life experience. If we come across aggressive it is because of either your tone or attitude, or simply because we care. If we didn't care, we would say sure, go ahead bro...sick cycle! That is not us, that is not this forum. Dylan is one knowledgeable bro here who holds a masters degree in nutrition and is a certified trainer...you are blessed to have him aggressively giving you assistance. I don't have all the answers, so we all have our expertise and experience that we share on this forum to educate kids such as yourself so they do things healthy, right, and don't make the same mistakes we made or others have made. You seem pretty damn knowledgeable on this subject for your age, it shows you have done some homework, but we all are continuing to learn and educate ourselves daily, so don't think you know it all...I sure don't. We are here to help, heed Dylans and our warnings that you are in need of some more education before you screw yourself up for the rest of your life.

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Thanks for your response! I did not mean to come off aggressive at all and only came here to further my knowledge to help myself with my cycle. I agree, Dylan seems like a knowledgable bro. As far as my knowledge, I am close to having my BS in exercise and sport science and hope to get a masters degree if a can afford to lol, I do not believe I know close to everything and constantly have a drive to further my knowledge in exercise physiology, nutrition, biomechanics, steroid use and an open to what more experienced users have to say.

 

[muscleaddiction]

Thanks for your response! I did not mean to come off aggressive at all and only came here to further my knowledge to help myself with my cycle. I agree, Dylan seems like a knowledgable bro. As far as my knowledge, I am close to having my BS in exercise and sport science and hope to get a masters agree if a can afford to lol, I do not believe I know close to everything and constantly have a drive to further my knowledge in exercise physiology, nutrition, biomechanics, steroid use and an open to what more experienced users have to say.

Good for you...keep it up and go for that masters. It will be good to have another bro on the forums coming from an educated background...I myself come from a trial and error background unfortunately which is why I am here to give back to the community so that others don't make the same mistakes. On the other hand, I do not have a degree, or certification in nutrition or training, but am an amateur bodybuilder and this is my lifestyle...I love the sport of bodybuilding, and love nutrition as my favorite place to be if not sleeping, training, or spending quality time with my wife and daughter is in the kitchen. I have knowledge don't get me wrong, but it is real world knowledge, actual experience knowledge...and I educate and read on things I don't know...and when I go back to school next year you bet it will be down this path. Keep it up, and by the way what sports do you play since you say you are an athlete?

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[cmattcox]

Well haven't been here in a while as I had a little negative feedback but just wanted to let y'all know I took 5th in a men's physique and got my bf down to 4.8% strength and cardio out the roof and continuing to make gains on my pct wish I could post a pic

 

[muscleaddiction]

Well haven't been here in a while as I had a little negative feedback but just wanted to let y'all know I took 5th in a men's physique and got my bf down to 4.8% strength and cardio out the roof and continuing to make gains on my pct wish I could post a pic

Congrats! That is awesome!

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[cmattcox]

at 21, forget steroids

http://www.isteroids.com/

Uhh thanks again? Btw still kept most of my gains thyroid/test levels/liver/lipid profiles excellent, bf still at 6-7% and strong as an ox