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question about avena sativa
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SofaGeorge
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None at all.
Avena sativa extract became famous after some studies were done at the Institute for Advanced Study for Human Sexuality (part of the Glide Foundation) established that a singular formula would affect SHBG. Because there was NONE of this extract available to the health supplement industry after an enormous TV response to the IASHS made news - the health supplement manufactureres and NUMEROUS con artists cashed in on the studies by selling oat straw powder and a phony inferior extract as the IASHS product.
The real product never made it to market and all avena sativa extract being sold is a DELIBERATELY false version. Manufacturers all know they are selling a phony version of the product and they go to great lengths to try to pass their crap off as the real thing. (Hence the current marketing use of "avenacosides" as an active agent.)
ALL avena sativa extract being sold is fraudulent.
Avena sativa extract became famous after some studies were done at the Institute for Advanced Study for Human Sexuality (part of the Glide Foundation) established that a singular formula would affect SHBG. Because there was NONE of this extract available to the health supplement industry after an enormous TV response to the IASHS made news - the health supplement manufactureres and NUMEROUS con artists cashed in on the studies by selling oat straw powder and a phony inferior extract as the IASHS product.
The real product never made it to market and all avena sativa extract being sold is a DELIBERATELY false version. Manufacturers all know they are selling a phony version of the product and they go to great lengths to try to pass their crap off as the real thing. (Hence the current marketing use of "avenacosides" as an active agent.)
ALL avena sativa extract being sold is fraudulent.
SofaGeorge
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Wraith said:
Absolutely none.
There are 133-134 different types of avena sativa. Only 3-4 have the active component to affect SHBG. I made a huge... and I mean HUGE marketing success of avena sativa when I launched it... and there was NO raw material available for knock-off artists. So they couldn't cash in on the marketing by selling the real substance... so they started selling $1.50 a pound oat straw powder (used for anti-itch foot products) or $140 a kilo Flacshman extract (used for homeopathic remedies) as the real substance.
There were 40 knock offs on the shelves within one month of the real product hitting the market - and yet there was only enough real raw material to make maybe 300 thousand dollars worth of the product... not much.
The manufacture of the real raw material ramped up... and ended up having his entire inventory rot in a warehouse. He couldn't sell it at a price that remotely competed with the placebos... and since the fake products were selling themselves as the real thing and even using the real advertising and news stories... there was no telling the two apart.
Some of the raw material was sold in small lots through out the last couple years to a couple of the knock off manufacturers. That is why occasionally avena sativa seems to work. But for the most part - none of the real raw material is available.
The BIG misconception here is labeling the substance that affects SHBG as "avena sativa." It isn't. It is MADE from one particular strain of avena sativa... but the similarity is like saying cotton candy is made from sugar cane.
geoboy
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Avena Sativa DEFINATELY has an effect on strenght/intensity of orgasms, sensation, horniness (therefore free test is likely being ihncreased). What accounts for this? it's not placebo, unless my sleeping brain is also subject to placebo effect since morning wood greatly increased when taking it.
whatever it is, its doing something. you've been a one-note johnny on this for awhile. do you have some proof of lack of efficacy like studies with negative results, etc? all the people experiencing benefits are wrong?
whatever it is, its doing something. you've been a one-note johnny on this for awhile. do you have some proof of lack of efficacy like studies with negative results, etc? all the people experiencing benefits are wrong?
SofaGeorge said:
chanmanfoo
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interesting post, i use avena sativa and have been for a while, i have noticed that sometimes it doesnt work and sometimes it does.
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Wraith said:
That's a slippery slope.
Do you know what it costs to develop, test and get FDA approval on a new drug today?
80 MILLION DOLLARS according to the testimony of leading economists in the trial for on Saw Palmetto labeling.
Do you want pay for that?
I agree that companies should be required to present evidence from an independent study or studies to support their claims however.
We make 3 claims about Glucorell R and the cites for the studies backing up our claims are right on the label (new bottles). This is how I would like to see it done so people can look it up themselves and decide whether a claim made by a supp company is valid or not.
TraxZBT
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I have taken Avena Sativa a couple of times and experimented. The days I take 2-4 grams, I wake up the next day with wood. The days I didn't take anything... nothing. This is post cycle btw. Placebo?? Doubt it since my experiments came out exactly the same every time... If its not the real avena sativa.. so be it, but its doing something in my favor.
