Puttin together my first cycle

[BEAST420]

Whats up, i am 24, 186, 5'10 and am running a recomp cycle this summer using test and anavar..
My plan is to get bigger wile burning fat.
I have many things on hand such as cycle assit, forma, daa, clomid, postcycle/unleashed, aromisin, hcg, hcgenerate, and test.
This is my first cycle and i would like to do it right. I bulked this winter all naturally and as some can imagine i added a little fat. I would like to burn this wile adding on some mass and looking cut. Any and all suggestions would be great. Thanks

 

[dvoted]

If you want to cut, its all diet. Calorie in v Calories out.
Considering its your first cycle, using test e at 500mgs + on a calorie deficit you could put on a lil size, but obviously nowhere near as much as if you were to bulk.

I dont think you should use anavar with test, as your not sure how your body reacts to using testosterone itself. I think save it for another cycle, then again that my own opinion, not to sure what other guys on this board think.

 

[BEAST420]

Thanks for the Input, I plan on using anavar bc I would like to recomp. I kno diet is everything but with anavar I will be able to cut wile adding size with the test

 

[BEAST420]

Anyone have any advice???

 

[EZ_E]

Anyone have any advice???

Yes, propose the cycle you have in mind with diet, training, supps, and PCT....

~EZ

 

[kmoe4747]

Give us something to critique.

Set up ur cycle and we shall give advice. You seem like u have been around long enough to put a decent one together.

 

[Adonis90]

in my opinion, you should drop some initial fat naturally..get 12-15% body fat if you arnt already. then once youve managed that incorporate a cycle such as what you mentioned( which in will deffs help to achieve both ur goals of fat losss and increased muscle mass.) you have to be tedious with your diet and cardio. Reason being- while on AAS muscle is very easy to gain however so is fat IF your eating all the wrong things at wrong amounts.. so thats why before i go on a cycle , i try to first get as lean as possible and maintain a good diet/cardio regimen throughout so as to continoue to encuorage LBM gains

 

[dvoted]

in my opinion, you should drop some initial fat naturally..get 12-15% body fat if you arnt already. then once youve managed that incorporate a cycle such as what you mentioned( which in will deffs help to achieve both ur goals of fat losss and increased muscle mass.) you have to be tedious with your diet and cardio. Reason being- while on AAS muscle is very easy to gain however so is fat IF your eating all the wrong things at wrong amounts.. so thats why before i go on a cycle , i try to first get as lean as possible and maintain a good diet/cardio regimen throughout so as to continoue to encuorage LBM gains

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[dylangemelli]

the spoonfeeding days are over... you need to lay something out to get critiqued...

 

[BEAST420]

Okay fair enough.. This is what I was thinking ...
Week 1-5 epi strong 30/45/45/45/45
Week 1-12 test e 500 mg
Week 1-19 cycle assist 8 caps a day
Week 7-12 hcGenerate 5 caps
Week 12-14 hcg blast (still uncertain about how to go about this correctly)
Week 14-18 Clomid 25mg
Week 14-18 Forma
Week 14-18 post cycle / unleashed
Week 14-22 daa
Week 18-22 bridge

I also have Aromisn on hand and not exactly sure how to kno if I should use that.
My diet is like this
For breakfast I have one of the following...
A) one bananas sliced up and placed on two slices of whole wheat with tons of peanut butter on the sandwich and one plain Chobani (with 18g protein) and either a tblespoon of flax or olive oil.
B) 4 egg whites (cooked) 2 whole eggs (cooked) with either 1 packet of plain oatmeal and or mixed fruits like honey dew, mango, berries...
C) 2 slices of whole wheat w/ one piece (4oz) grilled chicken , 6 slices of turkey bacon , and two whole eggs all on one sandwich.
For my other 5 meals I will choose between the following. And I try not to eat carbs past 10 pm as I have a schedule based of work where I wake up around 10 am every morning and don't sleep till about 2 am... Anyway here goes
A) 8oz of meat (fish, chicken , steak , or turkey) w/ mixed broccoli and tblespoon of flax or olive
B) big plain Chobani (46g pro) with mixed protien granola and some mixed berries
C) protien drank, 40 g pro with Waixy maize and flax ( usually post workout and if not i cut out the Waixy maize and will add peanuts without the salt
D)8 oz meat w/ brown rice or wholewheat pasta
E)sometimes I copy my breakfast sandwich as a meal later in the day
F) just started this, but half pound of bay scallops , quarter pound of shrimp , with a soup containing minimum chicken broth , whole wheat pasta and steamed broccoli.
Any other suggestions for meals would be highly appreciated

As far as training , wile I'm on I'm going to workout 6 days a week. Simple tho,
Day one- chest tri
Day two- back bi
Day three - shoulders and legs
Day four chest tri
Day 5 back bi
Day 6 legs and shoulders
Day 7 rest

I plan in doing all compound lifts the first 3 days and then Iso the second 3 days
For cardio I plan on waking up 2x a week downing a protien shake then go for a morning run. Also before every workout I do 12 mins of either the elliptical , bike, or steps.

Any critique would be great.

 

[BEAST420]

And also last thing ,I ran epi-stane way back in the day and my girlfriend knows that I'm planning on using epi-strong. She said that by 3-4 weeks after I started my face looked extra chubby... Idk if that's even true but if so what can I do to get rid of that?

 

[EZ_E]

Okay fair enough.. This is what I was thinking ...
Week 1-5 epi strong 30/45/45/45/45
Week 1-12 test e 500 mg
Week 1-19 cycle assist 8 caps a day
Week 7-12 hcGenerate 5 caps
Week 12-14 hcg blast (still uncertain about how to go about this correctly)
Week 14-18 Clomid 25mg
Week 14-18 Forma
Week 14-18 post cycle / unleashed
Week 14-22 daa
Week 18-22 bridge

I also have Aromisn on hand and not exactly sure how to kno if I should use that.
My diet is like this
For breakfast I have one of the following...
A) one bananas sliced up and placed on two slices of whole wheat with tons of peanut butter on the sandwich and one plain Chobani (with 18g protein) and either a tblespoon of flax or olive oil.
B) 4 egg whites (cooked) 2 whole eggs (cooked) with either 1 packet of plain oatmeal and or mixed fruits like honey dew, mango, berries...
C) 2 slices of whole wheat w/ one piece (4oz) grilled chicken , 6 slices of turkey bacon , and two whole eggs all on one sandwich.
For my other 5 meals I will choose between the following. And I try not to eat carbs past 10 pm as I have a schedule based of work where I wake up around 10 am every morning and don't sleep till about 2 am... Anyway here goes
A) 8oz of meat (fish, chicken , steak , or turkey) w/ mixed broccoli and tblespoon of flax or olive
B) big plain Chobani (46g pro) with mixed protien granola and some mixed berries
C) protien drank, 40 g pro with Waixy maize and flax ( usually post workout and if not i cut out the Waixy maize and will add peanuts without the salt
D)8 oz meat w/ brown rice or wholewheat pasta
E)sometimes I copy my breakfast sandwich as a meal later in the day
F) just started this, but half pound of bay scallops , quarter pound of shrimp , with a soup containing minimum chicken broth , whole wheat pasta and steamed broccoli.
Any other suggestions for meals would be highly appreciated

As far as training , wile I'm on I'm going to workout 6 days a week. Simple tho,
Day one- chest tri
Day two- back bi
Day three - shoulders and legs
Day four chest tri
Day 5 back bi
Day 6 legs and shoulders
Day 7 rest

I plan in doing all compound lifts the first 3 days and then Iso the second 3 days
For cardio I plan on waking up 2x a week downing a protien shake then go for a morning run. Also before every workout I do 12 mins of either the elliptical , bike, or steps.

Any critique would be great.

I'll take the training split....you are extremely OVER training...

2-3 days on, day off...

Give legs their own day, give shoulders their own day...

~EZ

 

[BEAST420]

alright, currently i am doing
Monday- Chrest bi
Tuesday legs
Wen- Back and trap
Thurs - SHoulers tri
Fri -off
Sat -full body
Sun off

i figured that since you heal quicker i could do more. However maybe ill Push, Pull, Legs, Cardio and abs, day off, repeat....
Idk, any other critiques? I laid a lot out

 

[Svenman19]

This is what I am doing and it works amazing... chest/back, delts/bis/tris, legs, off/cardio..repeat!

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[Alphacore200]

Your meals are great to bulk with not so great to burn fat and get cut with.
PM me with ur stats and diet with the times u consume the meals next to them. Diet is 90% of ur cutting. AAS only polish it.

You can run the aromasin 12.5 mg eod for the full cycle upping the dose depends on whether u start experiencing estrogen related sides excessive bloat, puffy nips, hard or soft lumps growing behind the nipple, etc...

 

[noodles1010]

Get a hormone panel done before your cycle so after the cycle you know where your levels are supposed to be. Keep in mind once you do this you will find a "new normal" level in your hormones. Sometimes the same, rarely better, often slightly worse. You seem to have done your homework. Look at hmg the same time u blast your hcg. Hcg should be 2000iu split dosed ea week for two weeks and hmg 75iu eod. Makes recovery a lot smoother. Test and var is a fun run. Enjoy. Great for before summer too.

 

[BEAST420]

That split looks preety dope, I'm deff gonna start using that! And how can I switch up my meals so they would fit a recomp better? I would like gain muscle yes, but would really Ike to get shredded as well.
And for hcg I will use 2000 iu a week. I will do 4 shots of 250 per week? And honestly I have never even heard of the other thing haha

 

[noodles1010]

Look up hmg bro. Human menopausal gonadotropin. Works great in the mix with hcg. Hcg floods Lh and some fsh hormone. Hmg floods fsh and some Lh hormone. When I used both at the same time as opposed to hcg alone the results were night and day. ESP when followed up with clomid and test booster. Ill never do a pct without it again.

Here's some info.

HMG (Human Menopausal Gonadotropin) is used for stimulating hormone FSH and LH. This simply stimulates your natural test production and keeps hcg working optimally. Your sex drive and sense of well being come back more rapidly then with other treatments as well as your potential for staying or becoming fertile.

HMG is a drug similar to HCG in use and some of its function, but also has the added benefit of FSH stimulation, while HCG is known mainly for LH stimulation. Although it hasn't been around as long and isn't as recognized as HCG, HMG is steadily picking up more interest in the bodybuilding community for the roles it can play in testosterone recovery. HMG was originally designed as a fertility drug, as FSH stimulation can greatly induce higher sperm count production by the body. Bodybuilders who don't see the results and recovery they want from a typical PCT protocol may find HMG beneficial since it is able to stimulate the body's receptors at a wider range of points than HCG is able to.

HMG (Human Menopausal Gonadotropin) can be most effective when ran alongside HCG and other LH stimulating drugs such as clomid or nolvadex during pct. A typical dose of 75-150iu a day for 2 weeks is sufficient for restoring normal testicular function and sperm count in males. Although some may find that a longer protocol is needed due to extended periods of staying shut down or the use of hormones which are harsher on the body's natural testosterone function such as such as Trenbolone etc.

 

[BEAST420]

Thanks for that info, that sounds extremely interesting. And if i can find some of it that is legit i will deff throw it in the mix of my pct. Before i start up next week, is there any other advice from anyone in any aspect.. ( training, eating , or the actual cycle?) i wanna make this perfect and have zero regrets..

 

[BEAST420]

This is what I am doing and it works amazing... chest/back, delts/bis/tris, legs, off/cardio..repeat!

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This looks really good, if you dont mind telling me how you would break down the chest and back day? Seems like a shit load for one day and i would not be sure which workouts to incorporate, or if i should do a full back and chest workout. However, i feel as if i did a full back and chest i would be dead the next day haha

 

[BEAST420]

Anyone have any advice at all??

I was also wondering if I should go 30mg the whole way or 30mg first week then bump it to 45? Also 5 or 6 weeks?

 

[noodles1010]

go 30mg and if you feel ok on it you could try to bump to 45. just use common sense and listen to your body. id run 5 weeks.

 

[BEAST420]

Sounds good man.. Any other advice at all would be highly appreciated

 

[BEAST420]

Thanks man, will do! Any other advice at all would be highly appreciated

 

[noodles1010]

keep your diet clean, lift every day... some people say you need a break, it dont work like that ect.. fuck that, you wanna grow you gotta work. u need a break from lifting then kill it in cardio... after the cycle, continue to work your ass off, even if u feel like shit, if u wanna keep gains, you gotta work to keep em if you have questions, ask, the only dumb questions are the ones you dont ask...
you will be fine, you got a decent line up here.. post updates so we all know how its working for you

 

[notjake11]

I respectfully disagree with noodles on one count. Your body needs at least one day off a week. You dont grow in the gym. Growth happens when you recover and rebuild after your workouts. Yes you need to kill it in the gym. Yes you need to bust your ass. But you alsp need to rest and recover.

Even God needed one day to rest at tje end of the week.

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[noodles1010]

I respectfully disagree with noodles on one count. Your body needs at least one day off a week. You dont grow in the gym. Growth happens when you recover and rebuild after your workouts. Yes you need to kill it in the gym. Yes you need to bust your ass. But you alsp need to rest and recover.

Even God needed one day to rest at tje end of the week.

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lolol thats pussy talk!!!! we breathe fire and spit hot lava!!! we are not men!!! we are animals! cmon jake.. i gave him a day off.... with cardio!!! lmao

 

[notjake11]

lolol thats pussy talk!!!! we breathe fire and spit hot lava!!! we are not men!!! we are animals! cmon jake.. i gave him a day off.... with cardio!!! lmao

Lol.

Its less about the muscle itself than it is the central nervous system. Any workout whether lifting or cardio puts a strain on the cns. Switching to takimg one full day off to reset my cns was a huge jump forward in my training.

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[noodles1010]

usually the first 3 weeks of my cycle i go 7 days a week to get it all into high gear. then im going hard 5-6 days a week.

 

[notjake11]

usually the first 3 weeks of my cycle i go 7 days a week to get it all into high gear. then im going hard 5-6 days a week.

Thats not too bad. A couple weeks shouldnt put too much overload on the system as long as you pay attention to your body. If you start gettimg lethargic and worn out that is a sign it is time for a break.

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[noodles1010]

Beast I can't reply to your pm. Delete some messages.

Answer is:
Take aromasin when you begin test. 12.5 mg every other day.

Hcg is mixed with bacteriostatic water. DO NOT SHAKE THE HCG! Twist or roll it around gently in your hand until it mixed. Look up mixing hcg on you tube. It's easy but there are do"s and donts.

 

[BEAST420]

Thank you so much for all this info bro. I deleted all my inbox so anyone can pm me now!where could I buy that bacterial water? And if I'm running epi 1-5 won't I be suppressed before week 7? I feel like the awnser is obvi yes , so why save hcGenerate until week 7?