hrm... i'm not getting in to a genre based debate. Emo is an offshoot of punk and has warped throughout the last 10 yrs. I will therefore make the mistake of classifying screamo/emo bands as punk from time to time. This does not necessarily make it wrong, but does envoke a violent reaction in some people who have very low self esteem and have to place all of their pride in their musical taste. Like the people u speak of debaser. Worry not, a huge part of me is still down with the real shit.