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I don't think Proviron is the best choice for libido enhancement. Proviron is VERY androgenic. Even at low doses, the chance for sides on Proviron is high. Not a good choice for women. Even a worse choice if the only goal is libido enhancement.
If she is having libido problems, talk to her doc and maybe she can get a script for Test Gel.
If she is having libido problems, talk to her doc and maybe she can get a script for Test Gel.
I don't know much about oral methytest, so I can't comment on that.
"Regular" test can do wonders for a lagging libido, but in a female, if not dosed properly and watched CAREFULLY, it can come at a large price (side effects). It is not something to be taken lightly or done haphazardly.
Anavar doesn't have the big libido boost as many AAS. Some women report a slight libido boost, but rarely. I myself have never noticed a libido change while on Var.
A better thing to do is figure out WHY she needs a libido boost. A lagging libido can be psychological or physical - or even an indication of relationship problems, stress, poor eating, medication, etc. Many many reasons why. For a permanent change, you need to find the root of the problem and fix THAT, not apply a band-aid.
Soooo, what's the issue?
"Regular" test can do wonders for a lagging libido, but in a female, if not dosed properly and watched CAREFULLY, it can come at a large price (side effects). It is not something to be taken lightly or done haphazardly.
Anavar doesn't have the big libido boost as many AAS. Some women report a slight libido boost, but rarely. I myself have never noticed a libido change while on Var.
A better thing to do is figure out WHY she needs a libido boost. A lagging libido can be psychological or physical - or even an indication of relationship problems, stress, poor eating, medication, etc. Many many reasons why. For a permanent change, you need to find the root of the problem and fix THAT, not apply a band-aid.
Soooo, what's the issue?
Agreed. Anavar is rarely (probably never if you count placebo effect) gonna boost libido. AAS in general is a poor alternative to finding out why a women isn't as hot as she might like to be (or you might like her to be). I strongly suggest, no, EMPHATICALLY suggest both of you read a book called " Resurrecting Sex" by David Schnarch.
I don't apologize if the following book doesn't appeal to you because you just want to have as much sex as you can in the short term. The book is about building intimacy, connecting and ensuring both of you have the best sex you can for a lifetime. If you want a sexual relationship that will last then it is invaluable. If you want a short term purely physical affair then shame on you for wanting to give her AAS!
Review:
This is not simply an excellent self-help book about improving your sexual relationship. It is also an extremely wise book about relational intimacy. *Resurrecting Sex*, David Schnarch's third book, attempts to translate for the layperson many of the essential concepts elucidated originally in his groundbreaking *Constructing the Sexual Crucible*(1991).
As probably the most influential writer in the field of sexual/marital therapy today, the author further bridges the gap between sexual problems--as they have traditionally been viewed in terms of individual dysfunction--and such problems as they can much more fruitfully be perceived as reflecting an individual's (or relationship's) level of development and differentiation.
Unlike virtually all other writers in the field, Schnarch's objective is to assist people not simply in having less problematic (or anxiety-ridden) sex, but in creating the kind of physical connection achievable only through learning how to successfully *confront* one's personal anxieties--namely, through better developing the capacity for self-soothing and self-validation.
Although the book is quite readable, with lots of practical information and suggestions, it is also quite challenging. For readers are inevitably encouraged not only to take more responsibility for what may not be working in their relationship (both in and outside the bedroom), but also to go out on a "relational limb" and be with their spouse in a way that requires considerable emotional courage and self-regulation.
As idealistic as, finally, Schnarch's approach is, it is also exceedingly practical. Totally up-to-date, it covers all the most important sex devices and drugs that can, in particular situations, help with arousal and orgasm difficulties. It also discusses the various techniques that can enable people (both men and women) to overcome their sexual problems (from dyspareunia and vaginismus, to low sexual desire, erectile dysfunction and early ejaculation). But much more important than this, it focuses on how individuals can realize their potential to profoundly change their relationship to their spouse; and by doing so, help the relationship to evolve to a higher, and much more satisfying, level.
This is a book that can transform your sexual relationship from one that is conflicted, indifferent, or just barely positive, to one that is truly innovative, passionate, intimate--and even spiritual. Moreover, if readers earnestly strive to incorporate the author's challenging ideas into their lives, the book has the potential to change them at a profoundly personal level: to alter how they see themselves--not only in the context of their relationship, but from deep within as well.
Ultimately, sexual gratification and fulfillment have to do not just with the sensory stimulation a person receives--or their body's ability to respond optimally to this stimulation. It has to do with achieving an emotional bond with one's partner that itself can contribute to an improved sexual functioning that in the end becomes indistinguishable from the deepest expression of intimacy and love.
I don't apologize if the following book doesn't appeal to you because you just want to have as much sex as you can in the short term. The book is about building intimacy, connecting and ensuring both of you have the best sex you can for a lifetime. If you want a sexual relationship that will last then it is invaluable. If you want a short term purely physical affair then shame on you for wanting to give her AAS!
Review:
This is not simply an excellent self-help book about improving your sexual relationship. It is also an extremely wise book about relational intimacy. *Resurrecting Sex*, David Schnarch's third book, attempts to translate for the layperson many of the essential concepts elucidated originally in his groundbreaking *Constructing the Sexual Crucible*(1991).
As probably the most influential writer in the field of sexual/marital therapy today, the author further bridges the gap between sexual problems--as they have traditionally been viewed in terms of individual dysfunction--and such problems as they can much more fruitfully be perceived as reflecting an individual's (or relationship's) level of development and differentiation.
Unlike virtually all other writers in the field, Schnarch's objective is to assist people not simply in having less problematic (or anxiety-ridden) sex, but in creating the kind of physical connection achievable only through learning how to successfully *confront* one's personal anxieties--namely, through better developing the capacity for self-soothing and self-validation.
Although the book is quite readable, with lots of practical information and suggestions, it is also quite challenging. For readers are inevitably encouraged not only to take more responsibility for what may not be working in their relationship (both in and outside the bedroom), but also to go out on a "relational limb" and be with their spouse in a way that requires considerable emotional courage and self-regulation.
As idealistic as, finally, Schnarch's approach is, it is also exceedingly practical. Totally up-to-date, it covers all the most important sex devices and drugs that can, in particular situations, help with arousal and orgasm difficulties. It also discusses the various techniques that can enable people (both men and women) to overcome their sexual problems (from dyspareunia and vaginismus, to low sexual desire, erectile dysfunction and early ejaculation). But much more important than this, it focuses on how individuals can realize their potential to profoundly change their relationship to their spouse; and by doing so, help the relationship to evolve to a higher, and much more satisfying, level.
This is a book that can transform your sexual relationship from one that is conflicted, indifferent, or just barely positive, to one that is truly innovative, passionate, intimate--and even spiritual. Moreover, if readers earnestly strive to incorporate the author's challenging ideas into their lives, the book has the potential to change them at a profoundly personal level: to alter how they see themselves--not only in the context of their relationship, but from deep within as well.
Ultimately, sexual gratification and fulfillment have to do not just with the sensory stimulation a person receives--or their body's ability to respond optimally to this stimulation. It has to do with achieving an emotional bond with one's partner that itself can contribute to an improved sexual functioning that in the end becomes indistinguishable from the deepest expression of intimacy and love.
geoboy
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Daisy_Girl said:I don't know much about oral methytest, so I can't comment on that.
"Regular" test can do wonders for a lagging libido, but in a female, if not dosed properly and watched CAREFULLY, it can come at a large price (side effects). It is not something to be taken lightly or done haphazardly.
Anavar doesn't have the big libido boost as many AAS. Some women report a slight libido boost, but rarely. I myself have never noticed a libido change while on Var.
A better thing to do is figure out WHY she needs a libido boost. A lagging libido can be psychological or physical - or even an indication of relationship problems, stress, poor eating, medication, etc. Many many reasons why. For a permanent change, you need to find the root of the problem and fix THAT, not apply a band-aid.
Soooo, what's the issue?
hey what are you saying......., that I'm ugly, or have a small one
? No, it's just a friend who's been complaining that her boyfriends' been complaining, and the issue is stress/overwork. she's added school to an already hectic life.
my thinking is that if it's similar to the way it works in men (and it should), it's not total test that boosts libido, but rather free test, so anything that unbinds test should work. while proviron is best at that, it also carries high sides since its basically dht.
an alternative to free up test is avena sativa. based on my own experience and published studies, it works for men. probably would work for females.
any you distaff types try it ?
p.s. i think it is used in some of the female aphrodisiac products.
Gotcha Geo. Well I hope you can steer your friend in the right direction, because long term sexual relationships require a lot more than an occasional shot of androgens (for men OR women). In fact anxiety/stress/overworked are by far the biggest contributors to sexual disfunction in bith sexes. Read the book even if you aren't currently in a sexual relationship or having any problems. It is extremely educational.
MaryJonhson
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William Llewellyn writes in Anabolics 2006, that female bodybuilders should be cautious when using Proviron, and virilization symptoms can occour. He recommends a dose of 25mg/day, for no more than 4-5 weeks. And of course discontinued if symptoms occur.
Men can often use up to 100mg/day, and not get acne and other "virilization symptoms". The dose is often 50mg/day, and they get a high sex drive, despite using test supressing drugs like Deca. Some use 25mg/day, and is quite satisfied with that.
May I suggest 12.5mg/day, no more than a week each month.
The first post was made in 2004, so, geoboy, if you've tried any "Steroid libido enhancetrs" please let me know as I find this subject very interesting!
Men can often use up to 100mg/day, and not get acne and other "virilization symptoms". The dose is often 50mg/day, and they get a high sex drive, despite using test supressing drugs like Deca. Some use 25mg/day, and is quite satisfied with that.
May I suggest 12.5mg/day, no more than a week each month.
The first post was made in 2004, so, geoboy, if you've tried any "Steroid libido enhancetrs" please let me know as I find this subject very interesting!
nikkita
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geoboy said:
men are from mars, women are from venus. j/k
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Having said that, you've got some important point. Women and men are different, therefore hormonal functions for each are too. With this in mind, what can work for men will work differently for men.
Sometimes libido problems for women have more to do with emotions than with physical problems. Thefefore, they have to be treated in that order.
MaryJonhson
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No, no
I'm not thinking about how to fix a unhealthy low libido. As it has been pointed out many times, there can be many reasons for, and a doc might be the way to go.
What I'm talking about is a way to spice up a healthy libido.
Although there are many way to do this (exercise, intimacy, moderate use of recreational drugs etc). I'm thinking about the possibilities for a "artificial hormone boost".
As you said nikkita, men and women can react differently to the sex hormones. But luckily for us differently doesn't have to mean they don't work.
There is one article about women, sex and hormones which I find very interesting, and I think you too will be pleasantly surprised :
article
In this article they use testosterone.
I'm not thinking about how to fix a unhealthy low libido. As it has been pointed out many times, there can be many reasons for, and a doc might be the way to go.
What I'm talking about is a way to spice up a healthy libido.
Although there are many way to do this (exercise, intimacy, moderate use of recreational drugs etc). I'm thinking about the possibilities for a "artificial hormone boost".
As you said nikkita, men and women can react differently to the sex hormones. But luckily for us differently doesn't have to mean they don't work.
There is one article about women, sex and hormones which I find very interesting, and I think you too will be pleasantly surprised :
article
In this article they use testosterone.
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nikkita
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Re: No, no
You need to consider that the study uses microdosis for a really short period of time.
On the other hand, it is necessary to understand the side effects testosterone can have on women even for short periods. So remember that most of these side effects testosterone produce on women are irreversible.
MaryJonhson said:
You need to consider that the study uses microdosis for a really short period of time.
On the other hand, it is necessary to understand the side effects testosterone can have on women even for short periods. So remember that most of these side effects testosterone produce on women are irreversible.
MaryJonhson
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Yes Nikkita! I couldn't agree more with you!
That's what I'm here to discuss! Avoiding the side effects, but spicing up one's sex life, for a short period of time, every now and then.
In the study they used testosterone, which can be a really harmful way to go..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but compared to men, don't we have super low amounts of testosterone, most time in our menstrual cycle, and the testosterone gets up to only really low around ovulation. My theory is that we can handle having really low, for some time. And that would supercharge our sex drive.
Problem is how to stay on the safe side, and still get the desired effects.
I know at least that enlarged clitoris is a irreversible symptom. Acne can be reversed, but to use enough androgen therapy to get acne is not desired, not in my case anyway. when 25mg/day, is suggested, for 4-5 weeks, I suppose 4-5 weeks is enough to produce the changes in thighs and hips which the author writes about the drug being used for. Women most, don't want that, and I guess 1 week, on half the dose (or less?) would not be enough to produce those changes.
Does anyone know if there is a better way to go than tiny amounts of Proviron, which offers a better "sex drive/possibility for side effects" ratio?
Just an idea, I'd like to get a comment on:
Proviron does both heighten androgen levels, and reduce estrogen levels, may it be a good idea to eat estrogen (birth control pills) to reduce it's negative effects on estrogen?
That's what I'm here to discuss! Avoiding the side effects, but spicing up one's sex life, for a short period of time, every now and then.
In the study they used testosterone, which can be a really harmful way to go..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but compared to men, don't we have super low amounts of testosterone, most time in our menstrual cycle, and the testosterone gets up to only really low around ovulation. My theory is that we can handle having really low, for some time. And that would supercharge our sex drive.
Problem is how to stay on the safe side, and still get the desired effects.
I know at least that enlarged clitoris is a irreversible symptom. Acne can be reversed, but to use enough androgen therapy to get acne is not desired, not in my case anyway. when 25mg/day, is suggested, for 4-5 weeks, I suppose 4-5 weeks is enough to produce the changes in thighs and hips which the author writes about the drug being used for. Women most, don't want that, and I guess 1 week, on half the dose (or less?) would not be enough to produce those changes.
Does anyone know if there is a better way to go than tiny amounts of Proviron, which offers a better "sex drive/possibility for side effects" ratio?
Just an idea, I'd like to get a comment on:
Proviron does both heighten androgen levels, and reduce estrogen levels, may it be a good idea to eat estrogen (birth control pills) to reduce it's negative effects on estrogen?
Sassy69
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I think the biggest caveat here is that there isn't a helluva lot of research on the use of testosterone for women's "libido enhancement" - what we do know is that there is an "average" response to the diff AAS that women use from anecdotal info. We don't know a lot about long term use because it hasnt' been tracked in a study and anecdotal info doesn't really provide much real info as there are so many other factors around what each andecdote involved if we were to talk about the whole range of things you are saying are "good" sides - leaning out, lower estrogen-related bodyfat levels, etc. -- so if the diet & training go to hell at some point , you can't really make accurate assessments of the results of the stuff as well as the maintenance of it. And then one layer below the "average" results / sides / response to AAS is the very individual bodychemistry & interaction w/ each AAS that is unique to each woman.
To that end -- if you want to experiment w/ it - that is your prerogative - but I don't know many experienced cyclers who would actually recommend running a cycle for the libido enhancement. And there's also the temptation to keep running a cycle if you wanted to keep whatever libido enhancement going.
I.e. - the only way to know anything about
To that end -- if you want to experiment w/ it - that is your prerogative - but I don't know many experienced cyclers who would actually recommend running a cycle for the libido enhancement. And there's also the temptation to keep running a cycle if you wanted to keep whatever libido enhancement going.
I.e. - the only way to know anything about
nikkita
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"Does anyone know if there is a better way to go than tiny amounts of Proviron, which offers a better "sex drive/possibility for side effects" ratio?"
If we want our bodies to function adequately (including sex drive) we have to make a balance of all our body needs. Meaning... improve your overall health. How? by eating a balanced diet, exercising and resting.
You may say "that's it? too easy?"
but... how many times have we all try to reduce stress and done it successfully?
smoke, drink, unbalanced diets, excessive workouts can all contribute for reducing our normal functions as women.
We may be tempted to go the easy way "exogenous substances" for libido, but it represents risk for young women; secondary effects are not only clitoral enlagement and acne.
If you think about it, having a balanced healthy life is not as easy as it sounds.
If we want our bodies to function adequately (including sex drive) we have to make a balance of all our body needs. Meaning... improve your overall health. How? by eating a balanced diet, exercising and resting.
You may say "that's it? too easy?"
but... how many times have we all try to reduce stress and done it successfully?
smoke, drink, unbalanced diets, excessive workouts can all contribute for reducing our normal functions as women.
We may be tempted to go the easy way "exogenous substances" for libido, but it represents risk for young women; secondary effects are not only clitoral enlagement and acne.
If you think about it, having a balanced healthy life is not as easy as it sounds.
T
The Shadow
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MaryJonhson said:
dont bump old threads please.
prov. isnt the best choice obviously.
try cialis...doesnt work on a hormonal level but does increase the arousal state once you "get started"
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jenscats5
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The Shadow said:
FYI - did nothing for me....
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