Prop/Tren/EQ Critiques??

[iron22]

Never touched tren before but the strength boost is very attractive!

Stats, 6'1 200 10-12%BF, competitive athlete, diet is good, all organics huge protein from organic chicken/tuna/steak occasionally carbs from whole grains tons of EFA and a multi, 1-2 gals of water/day depending how much i can get in


Ran several cycles before, eq being my favorite compound by far!


Going to start this ASAP once I hear what everyone has to say, ive never ran tren before and I am nervous, opting for the enan version due to availabilty and if i can stick it out for 6 weeks with bloody urine and near death experiences, what kind of dedication is that??

Any feedback is always appreciated

Goal is to gain LBM and get STRONGER without getting bulkier!!

Wk 1-12: EQ 500mg/wk
Wk 5-14: Prop 100mg/EOD
Wk 7-8: Tren E 400mg/wk
Wk 9-12: Tren E 300mg/wk
PCT Starts on wk 15, Clomid/Nolva therapy NO HCG

iron


EDIT 11/15/05: It is tren ACE not tren E (misunderstood the go to guy!) Read further down for reconstructed cycle.

 

[jdvert]

Bro, cycle looks good but tren will kick that ass if not careful.Everyones diffrent I would ease into to it.But,u never know until u go.u know what i mean.try var if tren doesnt workout.good luck

 

[Outtlaw]

Id switch the prop for enanthate or cyp to cut down on the injections. Kickstart with the prop if you want. Other than that it looks fine to me.

 

[iron22]

I was going to use a long acting test ester, but they are unavailable for a little while! Front loading tren E isnt a good idea???

 

[bigtravis]

try the tren at 100 eod to start. see how it goes. if your shooting tren. then you might as well do the prop. in with it. won't make a difference in the amount of shots. your going to be sticking yourself anyway. mix the two together.

 

[Outtlaw]

try the tren at 100 eod to start. see how it goes. if your shooting tren. then you might as well do the prop. in with it. won't make a difference in the amount of shots. your going to be sticking yourself anyway. mix the two together.

He's using tren E not acetate.

 

[Outtlaw]

I was going to use a long acting test ester, but they are unavailable for a little while! Front loading tren E isnt a good idea???

I thought the rest of the cycle looked fine. You can do what you want with the tren. I was only suggesting you change the prop to cut down injections, but if that's all you have then that's all you have.

 

[ryan04]

That should be a badass cycle. I would run that next time but don't have the $. Tren is not that bad. I've never heard of anyone pissing blood, and if they did it would probably be from not drinking enough water. Sounds like you got that covered. The only side I experienced from tren was aggression.

 

[LVTitan]

i agree with outlaw, i would use a longer acting test since all your other gear is long acting. Big Travis was assuming you had tren ace, not enth i'm sure...

also, since you are using tren, i would highly recommend you get some HCG for your PCT. Tren will shut you down harder than most other compounds (so i've heard/read, i've never used tren myself personally)
i would go to a pct of HCG/nolva
instead of clomid / nolva

other than that, and using a longer test it looks good.
i love eq too by the way

 

[iron22]

I want to 'stick' with the prop, Good advice but I decided EOD stabs arent THAT bad for LBM gains with little bloat! Prop usually doesnt leave me bed ridden like people make it out to be, but well see how this new guys sauce is!

As for the tren ill start at 100mg/wk then bump it up to 400-500

I want to try a new workout when on this cycle, Full body workout 4 days a week. Take advantage of the massively increased protein synthesis and get my body ready to compete!! Any thoughts??

 

[used2juice]

Wk 1-12: EQ 500mg/wk
Wk 5-14: Prop 100mg/EOD
Wk 7-8: Tren E 400mg/wk
Wk 9-12: Tren E 300mg/wk
PCT Starts on wk 15, Clomid/Nolva therapy NO HCG

You love eq, huh? My first suggestion was gonna be to drop the eq alltogether and use winstrol or anavar. But if you wanna keep it, then drop the prop and use enanthate or cypionate. Then up your dose of tren enanthate and run it an extra 2-4 weeks. Tren enanthate will not really manifest it's properties for like 4 weeks or more, so you are cutting it off just as blood levels are getting where you want em. Not only that, but keep i mind that 50mg/day is the low end of what people will use for acetate (350mg/week). With enanthate, you are getting less tren (because of ester weight), so you will need to do more to get that "low end" figure of 50mg daily. Bump it to around 500mg/weekly. Here you go...

Wk 1-12: EQ 500mg/wk
Wk 1-12: Test Enth or cyp 4-500mg/wk
Wk 1-10: Tren E 4-500mg/wk
PCT Starts on wk 15, Clomid/Nolva therapy NO HCG

that concerned with bloat? get some letro or aromasin. And remember, tren enanthate will bloat you too, so you aren't saving yourself from bloat by using test prop instead of test enth.

 

[Makavelli]

Test, tren, and EQ is a great cycle. I would run the test the whole cycle though. Run the tren E for 8 weeks, since it takes longer to kick in.

 

[iron22]

Tren ACE!

Update: MY mistake. it IS tren ace!

Makes everything much easier!

Think it will look like this now

Wk 1-12: EQ @ 500mg/wk
Wk 9: Tren @50mg/EOD
Wk 10-12: Tren Ace @ 75mg/EOD
Wk 13-14: Tren Ace @ 100mg/EOD
Wk 15: Tren Ace @ 125mg/EOD??
Wk 5-14: Test Prop @ 100mg/EOD

PCT begins Week 16

Slowing bringing tren up to 125mg/EOD week before PCT with prop (100mg/EOD)

OR should I keep tren at 50/50/75-----75 for another week or two instead of a short intense 6 week cycle

 

[bigtravis]

not to try and confuse you but look at this:

weeks 1- 12 (eq) 500/wk
weeks 1- 12 (prop) 100/eod
weeks 1- 3 (tren) 75/eod
weeks 8-12 (tren) 75/eod

just going by what and how much you have on hand.

 

[used2juice]

Re: Tren ACE!

Update: MY mistake. it IS tren ace!

Makes everything much easier!

Think it will look like this now

Wk 1-12: EQ @ 500mg/wk
Wk 9: Tren @50mg/EOD
Wk 10-12: Tren Ace @ 75mg/EOD
Wk 13-14: Tren Ace @ 100mg/EOD
Wk 15: Tren Ace @ 125mg/EOD??
Wk 5-14: Test Prop @ 100mg/EOD

PCT begins Week 16

Slowing bringing prop up to 125mg/EOD week before PCT with prop (100mg/EOD)

OR should I keep tren at 50/50/75-----75 for another week or two instead of a short intense 6 week cycle

Okay, I'll do it again... Start with at least around 300mg of tren weekly. You are way low on that dose, I personally think you are a lil low on the test too. Here's what I would do if I were smaller and wanted to keep "safe" doses...

Wk 1-12: EQ 500mg/wk
Wk 3-12: test prop 75mg ED
Wk 3-10: tren ace 50mg ED

 

[iron22]

Thanks everyone for your input, I like bigtravis' idea of splitting the tren! maybe with this method i wont piss out blood!

Starting Foradil/Pulmacort to combat tren cough tonight.