Wow you guys are crazy, I've been on this board for four years. I've been around the block a few times, I never heard of this company besides the supliment brand. Thats why I asked, and for you telling me to get the dick out of my ass and to lighten up, if you didn't post stupid responses then I wouldn't need to be a dick. All I wanted was an answer... and I got a bunch of bullshit. For the person who did respond properly... I thank you but I don't feel comfortable making my own tren... guess I think I'll mess it up.