Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below hello lifters i am just wondering what your thoughts are on a prison weightlifting ban that there are trying to past a bill that will prohibit federal inmates from using or having access to barbells machines etc this is not a new idea but i had just read it recently and was just wondering everyones responseis. i think it is a good stress release for the inmates who are incarcerated and although these people have broken the law i think this ban on lifing is oppressive to say the least... thanx for your input i understand this is not an anabolic thread but i hope everyone does not mind ......be good arnies
prison weightlifting ban
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Hugh Gellatts
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I think they should replace weightlifting with Karate classes. While larger more muscular criminals are more intimidating, they have trouble fitting more than 4 in a getaway car or scaling walls and steep embankments. A new breed of thugs who go off to the pen and come back as some "mad fast Jet Li mofo-ninja claw gangstas" would add a new dynamic to the whole law enforcement game.
I don't think inmates should have access to free weights.....maybe nautilus machines, treadmills etc But free weights have been banned already in most state run prison systems...the feds are far behind. They are dangerous, can be used as weapons and put the correctional officers at risk. Agreeing to letting inmates have free-weights is like agreeing to let them have bats and knifes....they are all dangerous and can be used as weapons.
trouble_60
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A buddy of mine works in Folsom he said in his block they do not have any weights just dip and chin bars. It was to cut down on the number of weapons on the yard.
The Grinch
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What a Great idea. Give those rotten fuckin criminals weights so that they can be bigger and stronger when the get out. Crimes will be easier to commit. Raping one of your sisters or mothers will be much easier. Fuck those cocksuckers in prison.
gorilla_boy
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The Grinch said:
That's exactly how I feel.
lexus_2001
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i think low risk inmates should be given the right to use weights...but murderers and rapests gangstas ect should not because they are much more likey to use them as weapons.....i mean u need something to do in there, why not better your body. peace- lexus
casavant
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Grinch-
What the fuck? Must be nice living in a world where everything is black and white. Not everyone in prison is a rapist, murderer, or child molestor. Jesus Christ, man, where the hell did you grow up? I agree that a lot of people in the prison system are sick deviant fucks, but definitely not all. You're on a board that caters to users and sellers of a scheduled drug, genius. You think nobody's ever gone down for juice?
What the fuck? Must be nice living in a world where everything is black and white. Not everyone in prison is a rapist, murderer, or child molestor. Jesus Christ, man, where the hell did you grow up? I agree that a lot of people in the prison system are sick deviant fucks, but definitely not all. You're on a board that caters to users and sellers of a scheduled drug, genius. You think nobody's ever gone down for juice?
Some of your comments are a bit simplistic. Some federal prisoners are there for white collar crimes. I sometimes use exercise to release stress and mellow out....could you imagine being pent up for years? I did three months in juvie and it wasn't that pleasant. We had machine weights, which I took advantage of.
You guys talk about cable tv and bullshit like that. When you're inside your worried about getting killed/beat up by other gangs...not what is on Ally McBeal this week. The guys in there are often gang-bangers and they aren't sensible/logical at all.
You guys talk about cable tv and bullshit like that. When you're inside your worried about getting killed/beat up by other gangs...not what is on Ally McBeal this week. The guys in there are often gang-bangers and they aren't sensible/logical at all.
nautica
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The Grinch said:
Fuck those cock suckers in prison??? Grinch are you using anabolics if so you are breaking the law and according to federal law, you are one of those cocksuckers who should be prison. Not every person in prison is bad and they have rights too.
You might want to think a little before you post.
Hugh Gellatts
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AP reuters, Attica, NY 6/12/03 :
Convicted felon James Daly remains at large after his daring prison escape tuesday. Investigators say that Daly was able to jerry rig the components of five Bowflex(tm) machines and catapult himself over prison walls and into the Hudson River. While police divers gave chase, Daly outswam them with ease. "I should have known James was up to something" recreation facilities warden Marshal Mellon reflects: "he was spending 2 hours a day on the bodyfit(tm) eliptical trainer, which we all know cross trains the body for superior performance in any aerobic endeavor." Attica has since reacted by removing all rowing machines and the versa-climber machine, which Mellon terms "a disaster waiting to happen."
Convicted felon James Daly remains at large after his daring prison escape tuesday. Investigators say that Daly was able to jerry rig the components of five Bowflex(tm) machines and catapult himself over prison walls and into the Hudson River. While police divers gave chase, Daly outswam them with ease. "I should have known James was up to something" recreation facilities warden Marshal Mellon reflects: "he was spending 2 hours a day on the bodyfit(tm) eliptical trainer, which we all know cross trains the body for superior performance in any aerobic endeavor." Attica has since reacted by removing all rowing machines and the versa-climber machine, which Mellon terms "a disaster waiting to happen."
CRIMINALS IN PRISON DONT DESERVE A DAMN THING BUT A LITTLE FOOD AND A SMALL CELL WITH A TOILET.
THEY DONT NEED CABLE,WEIGHTS,FREETIME,BOOKS,PHONES,ETC..
THESE FUCKERS THAT COMMIT MURDER, STEAL, RAPE AND OTHER CRIMES SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO THEIR TIME, FOR THEIR CRIME..!!! THIS PISSES ME OFF
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!
THEY DONT NEED CABLE,WEIGHTS,FREETIME,BOOKS,PHONES,ETC..
THESE FUCKERS THAT COMMIT MURDER, STEAL, RAPE AND OTHER CRIMES SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO THEIR TIME, FOR THEIR CRIME..!!! THIS PISSES ME OFF
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!
gorilla_boy
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casavant said:
But I think it's fair to say that the majority of them are.
nautica
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Damn Guys. You just do not get it do you.
Right or wrong the use of anabolics is a federal crime punishable by prison. What is everybody here on the boards went to the local DEA office and admitted to using anabolics.
Would all of us be sick deviant fucks while in prison. What makes people that do not get caught any different than the people who are in prison and did get caught.
Right or wrong the use of anabolics is a federal crime punishable by prison. What is everybody here on the boards went to the local DEA office and admitted to using anabolics.
Would all of us be sick deviant fucks while in prison. What makes people that do not get caught any different than the people who are in prison and did get caught.
lexus_2001
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i agree with nautica 100 fuckin percent....if some of u fuckin morons got caught with gear all of u would be singing a totally diffrent tune. ignorant bastards- lexus
I agree with Nautica and Casavant! Most violent offenders should be in jail for good reason. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, and the crack dealer using guns to enforce his trade belong there. But a good amount of prisioners are also in there for nothing more than making money illegally and in a nonviolent manner. How else are they supposed to release tension? Kill each other? At least lifting weights is a way to be productive with your body. Just my .02.
gorilla_boy
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nautica said:
You couldn't be more right about us being criminals, Nautica.
That said, I think that some distinction should be made within the prison system between the sociopaths and the more agreeable types.
I think sometimes people forget the "purpose" of prison.
It is where we send people to punish them when they refuse to accept the rules of society. The worse the crime, the worse the sentence.
If you are saying that because we all do something illegal, that jails should be a place with perks... that is faulty logic.
When you decide to use something illegal, you understand that there are consequences, and you weight the benefit versus the chance of being caught.
Most of us here feel that we will not get caught.
If we do get caught, we will bitch, but we will not have a right to complain about how many privelages we get in prison.
If you go to jail, yes it will suck badly - but it won't suck as badly as it would for a murderer, because they will be there for life, or even lose their life.
Should jails be the bare minimum? HELL YES.
(and I'll continue to take my chances)
It is where we send people to punish them when they refuse to accept the rules of society. The worse the crime, the worse the sentence.
If you are saying that because we all do something illegal, that jails should be a place with perks... that is faulty logic.
When you decide to use something illegal, you understand that there are consequences, and you weight the benefit versus the chance of being caught.
Most of us here feel that we will not get caught.
If we do get caught, we will bitch, but we will not have a right to complain about how many privelages we get in prison.
If you go to jail, yes it will suck badly - but it won't suck as badly as it would for a murderer, because they will be there for life, or even lose their life.
Should jails be the bare minimum? HELL YES.
(and I'll continue to take my chances)
casavant
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Go to www.mesomorphosis.com and read "The Demonization of Anabolic Steroids, Pt. II." This issue is addressed under the subheading, "Strength, Muscle, and Criminality".
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nautica
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I am not saying that prisoners should not be punished.
But to say they are all sick deviant fucks and should have no rights what so ever, now that is a little harsh.
I am not even saying that they should or should not be allowed to lift wieghts. I am just saying that they are people and while there are some sick deviant fucks in prison. There are some in prison that just made an error in judgement and some who are perfectly innocent.
But to say they are all sick deviant fucks and should have no rights what so ever, now that is a little harsh.
I am not even saying that they should or should not be allowed to lift wieghts. I am just saying that they are people and while there are some sick deviant fucks in prison. There are some in prison that just made an error in judgement and some who are perfectly innocent.
We've obviously got some serious pussies here who hang aroung thier white picket fences, inviting thier 'nice' friends round for BBQ parties, drinking white wine and champagne while handing out canapes. Talking about eradicating poverty and helping out at the local hospice.....
Get a fuckin grip, shit happens out here wether it be taking steroids, smack, crack, other peoples cars, fighting, killing cunts for abusing your children. Think before you speak, I have several friends who are or have been in prison. None of whom are sick fucks, most of them just happened to get caught doing what other people get away with all the time.
Get real and try walking into your local housing scheme (hood for the USA peeps). Take a look around, that is if your not too chicken shit that you might get beat on.
I repeat.. GET REAL.
Get a fuckin grip, shit happens out here wether it be taking steroids, smack, crack, other peoples cars, fighting, killing cunts for abusing your children. Think before you speak, I have several friends who are or have been in prison. None of whom are sick fucks, most of them just happened to get caught doing what other people get away with all the time.
Get real and try walking into your local housing scheme (hood for the USA peeps). Take a look around, that is if your not too chicken shit that you might get beat on.
I repeat.. GET REAL.
I am an honor roll student, and a lead engineer at my job. However this weekend I will be in jail for violating the terms of my probation (my crime was a dv call, my gf had cheated on my and I was raising some hell) I purchased a 6 pack, and so being that it violates the stipulation that I shall not consume any alcohol I will be in jail for two days this weekend. I know its not that big of a deal, but it made me relize how easy it is to be caught up in the system. I wish I could work out this weekend when I'm in the slammer. Not everyone that is in prison is a bad person. I had a friend growing up, we both used to sell mariuana. He was caught, I didnt. He had to go to jail for 2 years. I dont think I am a bad person, neither is he. The law prohibits steriod use. Any one of us could end up in prison with a hard nosed judge, even with a personal stash. Just something to think about
BigPhysicsBastard
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This logic that "not all criminal are animals, and therefore lifting should be allowed"......is pretty fucking flawed. I totally agree that what I do 2-3 times a year is against the law, but I take my chances because of the benefit. But if I do get caught, I ain't gonna whine in prison about not being able to lift weights. Sure, for alot of inmates it wouldn't matter, but alot of them would just be making themselves stronger so as to be better at what they do when they get out.......and that's committing more crime. Besides, if you're in a federal pen, you did something serious and pretty fucked up. And I don't consider white collar crime as alway's being menial. Some white collar crime can fuck people's lives up..........ruin them financially for life.
casavant
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Just for the record-
I was the one who first used the term "sick, deviant fucks" in this thread, but what I said was, "I agree that a lot of people in the prison system are sick, deviant fucks, but definitely not all."
I think anybody would agree that a child molestor is a sick fuck. So is a serial killer. So I hope you fellas aren't taking me out of context, because I was the first to speak up that not all inmates are rotten cocksuckers. Peace.
I was the one who first used the term "sick, deviant fucks" in this thread, but what I said was, "I agree that a lot of people in the prison system are sick, deviant fucks, but definitely not all."
I think anybody would agree that a child molestor is a sick fuck. So is a serial killer. So I hope you fellas aren't taking me out of context, because I was the first to speak up that not all inmates are rotten cocksuckers. Peace.
nautica
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Bros. I just can't let this one go away.
I am sitting here in my office taking a break, looking out the window.
I am 30 kyears old. I own 3 companies and am a partner on 10 more. I have been on the chamber of commerce board of directors. I was on the civil service board in our city. I volunteer coach for our high school and junior high track team. I pay more in taxes than most people make. My record consist of a grand total of 1 traffic ticket. And as I look out my window, I think God I am not in a Federal Prison, after getting caught with anabolics. But at the same time it makes you think about the people who are inside and it makes you wonder - am I a better person because I am out here. Is there some past reason those people are in there and I am out here.
Thank you, God. It is 3:30 in the after noon and in a couple of hours I am going home and as I pull in drive way my 5 year old daughter and my 7 year old son will come runing to the front yard to tell their daddy how much they love him. And yes the wife and I will probably get in a fight. But you got to love that too.
So, yes I do agree prison should be a place of punishment and there are some very sick fuckers in there that should be rat holed away, but keep in mind it could be you. Just like it was almost me.
I am sitting here in my office taking a break, looking out the window.
I am 30 kyears old. I own 3 companies and am a partner on 10 more. I have been on the chamber of commerce board of directors. I was on the civil service board in our city. I volunteer coach for our high school and junior high track team. I pay more in taxes than most people make. My record consist of a grand total of 1 traffic ticket. And as I look out my window, I think God I am not in a Federal Prison, after getting caught with anabolics. But at the same time it makes you think about the people who are inside and it makes you wonder - am I a better person because I am out here. Is there some past reason those people are in there and I am out here.
Thank you, God. It is 3:30 in the after noon and in a couple of hours I am going home and as I pull in drive way my 5 year old daughter and my 7 year old son will come runing to the front yard to tell their daddy how much they love him. And yes the wife and I will probably get in a fight. But you got to love that too.
So, yes I do agree prison should be a place of punishment and there are some very sick fuckers in there that should be rat holed away, but keep in mind it could be you. Just like it was almost me.
Daeo
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You guys can argue all you like. It's too bad that we don't have prisons for different types of criminals though. There's a mix of criminals altogether. You could be in jail for anabolic steroids and bunked up with a rapist. Or a murderer for that fact. I know that if I'm in prison I'd give up free weights just for the fact I wouldn't like my head to be smashed in with a 45lb plate. Jail isn't a resort. It's supposed to be punishment. No televisions, no weights, and working during your sentence is what it's supposed to be...
nautica said:
prisons are for people who get caught---Period---There is a diff-between people who get caught for crimes then people who committ crimes but don't get caught. Its called stupidity---By the way one would have to be pretty stupid to do any time for having in there possesion a bottle of test as you stated above. I don't think there are to many people sitting in federal prison for having personal amounts of steriods in there possesion.
BigPhysicsBastard
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thank you wombat............nautica.........I'd like to see the guy who's sitting in a federal pen for a 100 tabs of dbol. You know damn well it doesn't work that way. And only the BIGGEST steroid dealers go to even a state pen. I've known plenty of guys that went to the local lockup for a couple months for having a "pretty" decent stash, obviously more than was intended for personal use. I say again, if you're in federal pen, you've done something to warrant the federal governments attention. They don't give a shit if you've got a couple bottles of test on you.
nautica
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First of all, the size of the crime does not matter as to whether it will be a federal crime or a state crime. It is the type of crime and it depends on who is handling it.
Second. Lets say you ordered enough gear for a couple of cycles.
anadrol, d-bol, test, sustanon, deca, and eq. That is for your personal use. Do you think that when they add the units that it will only be possesion. THINK AGAIN. There units are measured by what a doc would prescribe - not what a body builder would use.
Second. Lets say you ordered enough gear for a couple of cycles.
anadrol, d-bol, test, sustanon, deca, and eq. That is for your personal use. Do you think that when they add the units that it will only be possesion. THINK AGAIN. There units are measured by what a doc would prescribe - not what a body builder would use.
Luca Brasi
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No Nautica and company I dont think you get it.
First of all I will address your comments on people here using anabolics even though it has absolutely no relevance at all to the topic of weights in maximum security prison. Noone in this thread sells anabolics in any way shape or form so we'll discuss the fact that people in this thread use them for personal use , this is a minor crime and people will not be jailed at all for haveing personal use amounts only on their person or property.
note : not amounts deemed to be for distribution .
They would get a fine and subsequently can not be compared in any way to human scum in the maximum security prison system. So if that is your only reason for disagreeing or attempting to discredit their argument then you may as well have kept quiet.
Now for the actual issue the use of potential dangerous free weights in state and federal corrections facilities.
The second they pulled the trigger , stole the money , distributed the narcotics , raped a women they forfeited all of their rights , so in affect they now are or atleast should be entitled to no rights , or to put it another way they are now entitled to rot away in the fucking shithole fucked up situation THEY created. Yes remember it was their choice and NOONE elses they are where they currently are.
It does'nt take a genius to figure out how a free weight whether it be a dumbbell or barbell can be fashioned into a weapon , I dont think they should have machines either cause frankly they have as many potential dangerous parts as a free weight. I am sure your all familiar with those metal pins that determine how many of the plates the cable lifts on the machine ...when sharpened against a concrete wall or floor they wouild make a nice weapons dont you think ? anything potentialy harmful should be removed.
Now to cable television they receive, there is a huge percentage of the HONEST , HARD WORKING people that cannot afford to have cable and live below the poverty line ....yet you think the government should pay for cable for a fucking scumbag rapeist ?
Why not provide it for the poor honest workers ?
Not to mention three solid meals a days .....there are many millions of families that can't even afford 3 decent meals for themselves and their children yet these fucking total bastards get that without charge.
You know what ,I am not a father as yet but I hope to one day have a family more then anything in the world , and if some motherfucker raped my daughter or killed my son he would not make it to jail ... if he lived to the court case ...the court would be where I blew his fucking brains out ....and I would take the 10 years to do it too. And I'd bet any other father on here would likely think the same way if someone hurt their family.
Anyway thats just some shit for you to think about before you go telling people about maximum security prisioners and their rights.
Luca
First of all I will address your comments on people here using anabolics even though it has absolutely no relevance at all to the topic of weights in maximum security prison. Noone in this thread sells anabolics in any way shape or form so we'll discuss the fact that people in this thread use them for personal use , this is a minor crime and people will not be jailed at all for haveing personal use amounts only on their person or property.
note : not amounts deemed to be for distribution .
They would get a fine and subsequently can not be compared in any way to human scum in the maximum security prison system. So if that is your only reason for disagreeing or attempting to discredit their argument then you may as well have kept quiet.
Now for the actual issue the use of potential dangerous free weights in state and federal corrections facilities.
The second they pulled the trigger , stole the money , distributed the narcotics , raped a women they forfeited all of their rights , so in affect they now are or atleast should be entitled to no rights , or to put it another way they are now entitled to rot away in the fucking shithole fucked up situation THEY created. Yes remember it was their choice and NOONE elses they are where they currently are.
It does'nt take a genius to figure out how a free weight whether it be a dumbbell or barbell can be fashioned into a weapon , I dont think they should have machines either cause frankly they have as many potential dangerous parts as a free weight. I am sure your all familiar with those metal pins that determine how many of the plates the cable lifts on the machine ...when sharpened against a concrete wall or floor they wouild make a nice weapons dont you think ? anything potentialy harmful should be removed.
Now to cable television they receive, there is a huge percentage of the HONEST , HARD WORKING people that cannot afford to have cable and live below the poverty line ....yet you think the government should pay for cable for a fucking scumbag rapeist ?
Why not provide it for the poor honest workers ?
Not to mention three solid meals a days .....there are many millions of families that can't even afford 3 decent meals for themselves and their children yet these fucking total bastards get that without charge.
You know what ,I am not a father as yet but I hope to one day have a family more then anything in the world , and if some motherfucker raped my daughter or killed my son he would not make it to jail ... if he lived to the court case ...the court would be where I blew his fucking brains out ....and I would take the 10 years to do it too. And I'd bet any other father on here would likely think the same way if someone hurt their family.
Anyway thats just some shit for you to think about before you go telling people about maximum security prisioners and their rights.
Luca
Bigsatan13
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lexus_2001 said:
They would be singing all right, to the prosecutor, DEA, judge and anyone else who would listen to their cries. They would roll over on their sources and their friends to avoid prison!
lincoln
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nautica said:
YOU COULDNT BE MORE WRONG.
And I have personal insight in this. I did get in trouble 4 years ago and I did go away.
I DIDNT DESERVE SHIT OTHER THAN A CELL TO THINK ABOUT WHAT I HAD DONE WRONG.
If I went back I wouldn't ask for rights. I do what I do and am willing to accept the consequences.
The minute you break the law you forfeit your rights.
Anabolics are a risk I am willing to take. Weight rooms have no place in the justice system. Counseling and lots of time alone is all that is necessary.
nautica
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lincoln said:
I am truly sorry, that you have such low self-esteem that when you were in jail, you felt you deserved to be treated as an animal or as stated early a sick fucking deviant.
And when the law is broken an individual still has rights and should be treated as a person. Would one not believe that being incarcerated is punishment enough. (maybe not for some crimes, but most.)
Maybe we should, change our societal beliefs to be more like the talaban's. That way when we shave our beard or maybe our wives cheat on us, then the punishment will be public and the violators can be stoned to death.
Lincoln, I pray that you will never be sent back to jail, because, I know how dedicated you are to your beliefs. When you go before the judge let him/her know how you feel. Ask to be treated like an animal. Ask to be put in a cell with someone who will take great pleasure rapping your ass. Ask her to make sure that when you are in prison you deserved to punished and treated like a sick fucking deviant day in and day out, so that you can think about your crime.
I HEAR YA..
I TOO HAVE A CHILD AND KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE..
BUT YOU MUST SEE THE DIFFERENCE....
PEOPLE ARE IN PRISON FOR A REASON.
NOT BECAUSE THEY GOT BUSTED 1 TIME FOR HAVING WEED, STEROIDS OR SPEEDING THRU A WORK ZONE.
THEY ARE IN PRISON BECAUSE THEY ABUSED AND TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM AND BECAME GREEDY.
RAPERS,CHILD MOLESTERS, MURDERERS, DRUG DEALERS ALL DESERVE WHAT THEY GET.. A SMALL FUCKIN CELL!!!!!
IF I USE JUICE IN MY HOME ALONG WITH COMMON SENSE, I AM TAKING A RISK, BUT NOT THREATINING OTHERS LIVES..
BUT IF SOMEONE SELLS DRUGS TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF SOMEONE THEY KNOW IS AN ABUSER AND SOMEONE O/D'S ON OR GETS CAUGHT AND TRIES TO RUN FROM THE LAW, THEN YOUR ASS GETS PRISON.. YOU DO THE CRIME, DAMMIT DO YOUR TIME..
MURDERERS ARE BEING RELEASED FOR "GOOD BEHAVIOR" FUCK THAT ...
CHILD MOLESTERS BEING RELEASED BECAUSE THEY SAY THAT THEY ARE NOT SICK ANYMORE AND ARE NOT A THREAT TO SOCIETEY-BULL FUKIN SHIT...
THEY DONT NEED TO BE RELEASED AND THEY DAMN SURE DONT NEED CABLE TV AND WEIGHTS TO BOOT...
IF I KNEW THAT THE FUCKERS THAT SHOT MY BEST FRIEND WERE SITTING IN PRISON, RUNNING SUCCESFUL BUSINESSES, USING WEIGHTS AND WATCHING FUCKING OPRAH AND CINEMAX ALL DAY ON TV, THEN I WOULD FUCKIN DIE....HOW WOULD YOU FEEL...
P.S.
ANY PRISONERS ON THE INTERNET ELITE BOARDS READING THIS AND ARE GUILTY OF WHAT I MENTIONED ABOVE. LOG OFF THE FUCKING COMPUTER AND GET BACK TO YER DAMN CELL!!!
FUCK PRISONERS!!!!!!!!!!!
NUFF SAID!!!
oh yeah, one more thing
THE SCENARIO : : A CONVICTED MURDER AWAITING EXECUTION, HE WILL DIE IN 5 HOURS..
OH WAIT....WHATS THAT I HEAR OUTSIDE........
PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE WITH CANDLES AND SIGNS SAYING HE DOESNT DESERVE TO DIE..???? HE IS NOT AN ANIMAL?!!?! THIS IS INJUSTICE??!!!. WAIT . THEY ARE CRYING AND SHOUTING THIS IS CRUEL AND INHUMAN?!!??
BULL SHIIAAUUTT!!!!!!!!!!!
THE PEOPLE OUT THERE DOING THAT
(that are usually small in number)
HAVE NEVER HAD A FAMILY MEMBER OR FRIEND SHOT IN COLD BLOOD OR RAPED THEN TORTURED AND KILLED, OR THEIR CHILDREN MOLESTED...THEY HAVE HAD A PRETTY UNSCATHED LIFE...BUT, GUESS WHAT....SHIT CHANGES WHEN IT HITS CLOSE TO HOME, ESPECIALLY YOUR HOME....NOT BASHING YOU NAUTICA, BUT YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES CAUSE THEY ARE GLUED TH FUCK SHUT...
THE SCENARIO : : A CONVICTED MURDER AWAITING EXECUTION, HE WILL DIE IN 5 HOURS..
OH WAIT....WHATS THAT I HEAR OUTSIDE........
PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE WITH CANDLES AND SIGNS SAYING HE DOESNT DESERVE TO DIE..???? HE IS NOT AN ANIMAL?!!?! THIS IS INJUSTICE??!!!. WAIT . THEY ARE CRYING AND SHOUTING THIS IS CRUEL AND INHUMAN?!!??
BULL SHIIAAUUTT!!!!!!!!!!!
THE PEOPLE OUT THERE DOING THAT
(that are usually small in number)
HAVE NEVER HAD A FAMILY MEMBER OR FRIEND SHOT IN COLD BLOOD OR RAPED THEN TORTURED AND KILLED, OR THEIR CHILDREN MOLESTED...THEY HAVE HAD A PRETTY UNSCATHED LIFE...BUT, GUESS WHAT....SHIT CHANGES WHEN IT HITS CLOSE TO HOME, ESPECIALLY YOUR HOME....NOT BASHING YOU NAUTICA, BUT YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES CAUSE THEY ARE GLUED TH FUCK SHUT...
casavant
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I fail to see what the issue of capital punishment has to do with this thread.
And for all those who are saying that they're asses are covered and they're not hurting anybody because they only possess small amounts of AAS for personal use- what about the guy you buy from? If he deals in mass quantities, should he be sent to prison? Because he would definitely fall under the category of drug dealer. But that would be kind of hypocritical, wouldn't it?
Wombat- you say there is a difference between people who don't get caught for crimes and those who do get caught. What are you trying to say? That it's OK to do anything as long as you don't get caught? What if someone rapes your wife, girlfriend, sister, daughter, or someone else close to you but are sneaky enough to get away with it? Are they OK then? Maybe they should even be congratulated on not being "stupid".
And for all those who are saying that they're asses are covered and they're not hurting anybody because they only possess small amounts of AAS for personal use- what about the guy you buy from? If he deals in mass quantities, should he be sent to prison? Because he would definitely fall under the category of drug dealer. But that would be kind of hypocritical, wouldn't it?
Wombat- you say there is a difference between people who don't get caught for crimes and those who do get caught. What are you trying to say? That it's OK to do anything as long as you don't get caught? What if someone rapes your wife, girlfriend, sister, daughter, or someone else close to you but are sneaky enough to get away with it? Are they OK then? Maybe they should even be congratulated on not being "stupid".
casavant
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Couldn't weight room privileges be controlled on a good behavior basis? This seems like it could serve as extra incentive for prisoners to keep their noses clean. Also, allowing inmates with a less violent incarceration history access to the weights would mean a reduced chance of violence in the weightroom. I'm sure this is already implemented in some prisons.
lincoln
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nautica said:
What rights? Three guys including me tied a guy up to a chair, beat his ass and threw him out a window. Where were his rights? We took them away, just as mine were taken from me when I went in.
By the way, since when is not having access to a gym being treated like an animal?
Get off your soapbox buddy, you are dealing with people that lived these situations not just judges them from there PC.
SOLID POST LINCOLN...THANX FOR YOUR HONESTY BRO!!!!!
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SCHOOL IS A PLACE TO LEARN.
YOUR JOB IS WHERE YOU WORK.
THE MALL IS WHERE YOU SHOP.
THE BANK IS WHERE YOU KEEP MONEY.
THE GYM IS WHERE YOU WORK OUT.
PRISON IS WHERE YOU ARE A PRISONER!!!
PRISON IS NOT A LIBRARY,RESORT,THEATRE OR GYM!!!
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SCHOOL IS A PLACE TO LEARN.
YOUR JOB IS WHERE YOU WORK.
THE MALL IS WHERE YOU SHOP.
THE BANK IS WHERE YOU KEEP MONEY.
THE GYM IS WHERE YOU WORK OUT.
PRISON IS WHERE YOU ARE A PRISONER!!!
PRISON IS NOT A LIBRARY,RESORT,THEATRE OR GYM!!!
nautica
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lincoln said:
If you will read all of my post, I never stated whether wieghts should or should not be allow.
I was just responding to the fact that some people in this thread are stating that all people in prison are sick deviant fucks and should all rights taken away.
And if you tied someone up to a chair, beat him up and threw him out the window, then you are a sick deviant fuck and should be treated differently. Like maybe, even being sent straight to hell to rot for eternity.
Mass Monster
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I think they should be locked up in there cell! They are in there for a reason and its to get big and stay in shape!
Mass Monster
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casavant said:
What people are in prison for is irrelavent to this thread...If you are in prison, you got caught for something. In most cases more then once. I didn't say one is ok because they didn't get caught. Believe it or not there are some very intelligent murders, drug dealers even scumbag rapist out there. Do I think there right? Of course not---Do i wish they would rot in hell---Of course, but they are not in jail because they are outwitting the people who are looking for them. That is why I used the word stupidity---
I can drive 20minutes down the road and be in mexico and purchase 1000 d-bol--5 bottles of test--5 bottles of deca walk back over and get nailed at the border and probably walk away with slap on the wrist and a $500 fine with nothing on my perm-record. This just happend to a guy at my gym and has happend to a few people on this board. In some states they would label that amount as not personal use. At the border its nothing. So am I worried about personal use. Fuck no---And neither are they. You don't think that if I was busted for gear that my lawyer wouldn't be getting some kind of records of what they have done to people at the borders for being caught bringing them into the country(which should be a lot more severe) but in some cases isn't---How are they going to throw me in jail for personal use, if at the borders they are doing nothing. If you get thrown into jail for personal use, you must have a serious rap sheet and/or it was not even close to personal use.
Daeo
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Actually I've had a change of heart. I think all prisons should be equipped with hot tubs, saunas, steamrooms, a full weightroom, an olympic sized swimming pool, a massage therapist, a man made beach, a couple four star restraunts, and a night club full of horny women. I wouldn't want those poor guys to be too uncomfortable...
casavant
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Wombat:
You said prisons are for people stupid enough to get caught. So what are you saying, if you're not trying to differentiate between those who get caught and those who don't? Please clarify the point you are trying to make with this statement.
Several postings have implied that their personal use of steroids is somehow qualitatively different than someone who sells them. Basically, my point is this:
How can anyone try to take the extreme moral highground on the inmate issue if they are committing or ever have commited a sentence-worthy offense? The argument that your chances of doing time if you get caught with a small amount of juice or whatever just does not hold water. A chance is still a chance. Guess what, I guarantee you that there are plenty of statistical anomalies in prison who went down for some time because they happened to be a part of that small percentage.
You simply cannot make blanket statements about a population consisting of tens of thousands of people and expect it to be 100% accurate. Yes, I believe the prisons are full of a lot of scum and your damn right I don' t want them to be living in some resort type of setting with all the amenities. But you can't take a human being and put them in a little cell with nothing to do for days, months, and years on end. And remember, most of these guys are going to be released at some point, so allowing them to retain or attain some degree of sanity would not be a bad thing. How luxurious is it to have access to a bunch of steel, anyway? I'm not for hot tubs, raquetball courts, or a $200,000 weight room stocked with shiny dumbbells and Hammer Strength equipment, but as long as people are living ang breathing you've got to let them do something. If the danger factor can be kept under control, why not let the well behaved have access to some free weights?
You said prisons are for people stupid enough to get caught. So what are you saying, if you're not trying to differentiate between those who get caught and those who don't? Please clarify the point you are trying to make with this statement.
Several postings have implied that their personal use of steroids is somehow qualitatively different than someone who sells them. Basically, my point is this:
How can anyone try to take the extreme moral highground on the inmate issue if they are committing or ever have commited a sentence-worthy offense? The argument that your chances of doing time if you get caught with a small amount of juice or whatever just does not hold water. A chance is still a chance. Guess what, I guarantee you that there are plenty of statistical anomalies in prison who went down for some time because they happened to be a part of that small percentage.
You simply cannot make blanket statements about a population consisting of tens of thousands of people and expect it to be 100% accurate. Yes, I believe the prisons are full of a lot of scum and your damn right I don' t want them to be living in some resort type of setting with all the amenities. But you can't take a human being and put them in a little cell with nothing to do for days, months, and years on end. And remember, most of these guys are going to be released at some point, so allowing them to retain or attain some degree of sanity would not be a bad thing. How luxurious is it to have access to a bunch of steel, anyway? I'm not for hot tubs, raquetball courts, or a $200,000 weight room stocked with shiny dumbbells and Hammer Strength equipment, but as long as people are living ang breathing you've got to let them do something. If the danger factor can be kept under control, why not let the well behaved have access to some free weights?
Immortal Juicer
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putting all those criminals together with nothing to do all day is begging for trouble.
The Grinch
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He Cass, are you one of the guys who thinks that Bin Laden should get off with community service?? Just checkin, JACKASS
The Grinch
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Hey Cas and Nautica. You guys think that Bin Laden should get community service, dont you??? JACKASSES
The majority of prisons are full of uneducated poor people that got caught for there crimes. I'm not stating that everyone in prison is uneducated but the majority. Listen lets face it. There are more people that commit crimes that are not in jail then are in jail(regardless of what those crimes are) How many underage drinkers are there. How many people smoke weed-coke-xtc etc. Most of these types of people will never be caught for there crimes. Why? Our government gets only a certain % of the people that are committing them. Which ones do they get? The ones that get caught. Its as simple as that. Everyone who is guilty that is sitting in jail will tell you that they made atleast one mistake and that is why they are here. Or they got sloppy. I used stupidity, maybe the wrong word but you understand what I' m saying. Do I think there should be weights in prison--maybe-who am I to say. But I also see no problem with people who are guilty of hurting type crimes to be in lock down 24hrs a day. Period--eat --shit --sleep-end of story. Some of these guys that are in prison have a better life then some of these guys on the streets. Prison in my opinion should not be a rehabilitating experience but punishment. Regardless of the crime. For serious offenders 24 hour lock down and sedated with drugs put in there water. Would the prison be in an uproar, I doubt it--they would have to drink water to live and if they didn't--who cares.
The Grinch
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I'll agree that an internet debate is ridiculous, but I dont care if you respect me. I have my opinions and you have yours. I feel that im right and that you are wrong. I hope that you dont get mad at me and try to beat me up. You could end up in a cell with some scumbag inmate that used to weigh 140 lbs. Now because of "weights in prison", he now weighs 275 lbs and he starts calling you by your new name "Ben Dover".
The Grinch
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Intelligently?? Coherently?? I already gave you my viewpoint. MY VIEWPOINT. The recidivism rate for crimials is very high. In case you dont know what that means, basically those who have commited crimes and have gone to prison, will do it again and be back in prison. Once these scumbags go to prison, they lift weights, get bigger and stronger, get out and now like I said in my earlier post will rape your mother or sister. Statistics speak for themselves. I hope you never have a friend who becomes a"victim", but maybe that will open your eyes.
BigPhysicsBastard
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Nautica, how do you correlate taking prison weights away with treating inmates like animals??? Your time served in prison should be like military boot camp......with little or no "extracurricular" pleasures.......maybe inmates can work up to that privilege, providing they were not violent offenders. And I still disagree with you, if you're in a federal pen you're not there for teepeeing your neighbors house. I haven't heard of any "strictly" steroid dealers serving time in a federal prison.
nautica
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The Grinch said:
Krinch, evidently you have a big problem with your reading skills. You will find nowhere in these post where I have stated that criminals should not be punished. But one day you too will grow up and understand that everything is not black and white. And maybe, if you have enough since you will understand what I am talking about.
nautica
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BigPhysicsBastard said:
Damn, you guys have a serious reading problem. Once again I have never stated whether I am for or against weights in prison. Others in the post stated all people in prison are sick deviant fucks and I was responding to that.
And as far as all people in federal penn being serious offenders. I had a friend who owned an ambulance service and allegedly overcharge insurance companies. He spent 4 years in a federal penn. Yeah, I guess he was a sick deviant fuck. All I am saying is that people do make mistakes and are not always guilty.
nautica said:
Well lets look below the surface of what your buddy did... He was over charging insurance companies. He isn't the only one doing this. By doing what he did, insurance companies have to raise there rates. By the raising of rates how many lower class citizens could not afford medical insurance because of the rise in rates. I'm sure there is plenty out there that couldn't. Lets bring it a step futher and how many people lost there lives because there insurance would not cover certain things. This all because of what your buddy "allegedly" did. Is he a sick fuck. I would say but certain crimes that look like on the surface are innocent really are the ones that can really hurt people. The people he really hurt are himself, his family and all the people out there that live paycheck to paycheck and are hanging on to what little medical insurance they have. There is a reason it was a fed--crime...peace
BigPhysicsBastard
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Nautica......you shouldn't have used that example, wombat is absolutely correct. Your friend isn't a "sick deviant fuck".......now I'm not going to argue about whether or not he was guilty, because it sounds like you think he isn't.....he may very well not be. But let's just look at someone who really does do that.........he probably thinks sheisting the insurance company is no big deal.....right??? Wrong!!!! As wombat stated, white collar crime in just one particular industry or field adds up tremendously, that's why the government stepped in and made certain white collar crime a federal offense. When your part of a larger group that's fucking over the rest of society, you're no less guility than the whole group. So yeah, your friend might not be a sick twisted fuck.......but if he was guilty, than he rightfully spent 4 years in a federal lockup. Hence my point is further proved, if you spend time in a federal pen.........you ain't no angel. Your friend sounds like a candidate for the type of inmate that probably should be allowed access to weights given he behaves himself, but it's a privilege.......he still doesn't have the right to DEMAND he be able to lift weights.
lincoln
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Re: Lincoln:
I have no idea what happened to him, I was moving 10 states away the next day, I got arrested in NY and sent all the way back to FL. Longer story than I typed and the fucker deserved it.
Since I moved when they caught the other two they rolled on me and said I orchestrated the whole thing.
I took a plea bargain so it never went to trial. Without a trial you dont get all the facts from the prosecutor.
I know he did not die or the charges would have been worse, much worse.
1. Armed Burgulary
2. Armed Home Invasion
3. Armed Battery
4. Battery With A Weapon
Top two where bullshit because I paid this fuckers rent, you cant rob or invade your own home. They where dropped, I was paying his rent to keep a computer and camera there to make fake ID's. He had his own place for free just to let me have people over take a photo and leave. He got greedy and tried to fuck me.
And to you nautica, you can say anything you want, I was young and I have learned. From my escapades working in graphics to make the id's I now own a development business that will gross $100,000 in its second year.
So go back to Burger King, pick up your hat and take the next person in line.
casavant said:
I have no idea what happened to him, I was moving 10 states away the next day, I got arrested in NY and sent all the way back to FL. Longer story than I typed and the fucker deserved it.
Since I moved when they caught the other two they rolled on me and said I orchestrated the whole thing.
I took a plea bargain so it never went to trial. Without a trial you dont get all the facts from the prosecutor.
I know he did not die or the charges would have been worse, much worse.
1. Armed Burgulary
2. Armed Home Invasion
3. Armed Battery
4. Battery With A Weapon
Top two where bullshit because I paid this fuckers rent, you cant rob or invade your own home. They where dropped, I was paying his rent to keep a computer and camera there to make fake ID's. He had his own place for free just to let me have people over take a photo and leave. He got greedy and tried to fuck me.
And to you nautica, you can say anything you want, I was young and I have learned. From my escapades working in graphics to make the id's I now own a development business that will gross $100,000 in its second year.
So go back to Burger King, pick up your hat and take the next person in line.
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I dont know what your fucking point is, But watch who you're calling queer ass hole, some C.O.'s actually choose to be correctional officers...sure some may be morons, but you're making yourself look like a moron by generalizing and making blanket statements about Correctional officers. Don't talk shit about people trying to make a living...it's not an easy job.manny78 said:
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I'm a rec officer at a Federal institution, I believe that working out and playing sports are great stress reducers for inmates. BUT free weights have been used as weapons, battering rams etc and are currently being replaced by weight stations.
The inmates don't take much care of sports equipment however and it us taxpayers who foot the bill.
The inmates don't take much care of sports equipment however and it us taxpayers who foot the bill.
HansNZ
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I think people who are anti anything other than bread and water in prisons aren't seeing the picture clearly. People in prison are often horrible individuals. I agree that there should be restrictions on potential weapons (or anything which can make a criminal more effective at his/her activities) such as weights, however mocking the prison system for providing some luxuries to inmates is missing the point.
If you dehumanise people how do you expect to rehabilitate them? After they are released they will be expected to fit back in to society - yet if you treat them like animals they are likely to stay as animals.
Also, priviledges are an important incentives for inmates which can be used to motivate them in their rehabilitation and to encourage good behaviour.
If you dehumanise people how do you expect to rehabilitate them? After they are released they will be expected to fit back in to society - yet if you treat them like animals they are likely to stay as animals.
Also, priviledges are an important incentives for inmates which can be used to motivate them in their rehabilitation and to encourage good behaviour.
Nautica,
How did you get busted dude?
And just to clear something up on this thread. I am pretty sure you wouldn't do any prison time for posession of gear probably just probation. I think even your first time dealing it you wouldn't do any time either depends how much though. Now some of the other stuff I have used I'd be singing... "I'm stuck in Folsom prison and every time I hear that whistle blowing I want to hang my head and cry"
How did you get busted dude?
And just to clear something up on this thread. I am pretty sure you wouldn't do any prison time for posession of gear probably just probation. I think even your first time dealing it you wouldn't do any time either depends how much though. Now some of the other stuff I have used I'd be singing... "I'm stuck in Folsom prison and every time I hear that whistle blowing I want to hang my head and cry"
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