primo & var / gyno??

[NFL's4puffs]

am 1 week in on my primo and var cycle and have been feeling tender around my nips. i was checking for lumps within the first few days of the first week just as i know im prone to gyno and i have a small layer of fat over my chest that im finding hard to get rid of. hope fully ill lose that as time goes by. ive always had slightly puffed nips all my life so thats why i chose primo and var to be safe. i went to the doc just as im too paranoid about getting gyno. he had a feel and said he couldnt feel anything that worried him so it definately relieved me a little. i can feel little lumps but i guess thats just fat tissue that has always been there. the doc told me thats what they probably were and nothing else. ive been taking 10 mg of nolva ed to reduce the chance of gyno. should i up it to 20?? alot of people say that primo and var is the best choice if one is worried about getting gyno. but i really wanna know if these two can cause gyno if one is prone to gyno. should my nips feel slightly wierd as im taking as. anyone think it could be gyno or me being too paranoid.
is prone to it. im feeling generally harder all over but could it be my chest being a little sensitive to the as.

my dose
primo 400 mg
var 30 mg

im running it for 8 weeks

 

[lawnsaver]

A friend of mine got gyno from anavar...its weird, but it happened.

Take some N-dex, which will attack it at the breast.

Or, just stop the cycle.

 

[Jenetic]

In general, the parent compounds cannot cause gynecomastia directly. Gynecomastia can develop due to various factors. One particular way this occurs is through increased aromatase activity. For the unfortunate few, abnormal aromatase activity can manifest itself as early as childhood and continue to do so throughout adult life. DHT and its derrivitives are well known for their ability to decrease SHBG, therefore increasing free testosterone. This in turn allows for more testosterone to aromatize into estrogen which may possibly result in gynecomastia for those whom are predisposed.

Jenetic

 

[lawnsaver]

The gyno induced by those 2 compounds is probably by the increase in IGF1. The n-dex should help.

The above observations could also play a role, which is why we always say everyone is different

 

[Jenetic]

The gyno induced by those 2 compounds is probably by the increase in IGF1. The n-dex should help.

The above observations could also play a role, which is why we always say everyone is different

I wasn't aware that oxandrolone or methenolone directly modulate the GH/IGF-1 axis. Non aromatizable androgens have little, if any, impact on plasma IGF-1 concentrations.

Regardless, it's too early to jump to any conclusions. Although a physcial exam has taken place, there is no conclusive evidence other than a self observation which may or may not be accurate. If gynecomastia does in fact manifest, the only way to diagnose the origin is to have bloodwork performed.

I would stick with Lawnsaver's recomendation in regards to using nolvadex or stopping the cycle if symptoms continue to progress.

Jenetic

 

[NFL's4puffs]

thanks for the feedback. well im still kinda confused and worried as
the thought of stoping this cycle would be a big shame. i think ill
continue with it and see how it goes for the next week and how
it feels then. i cant feel any lumps actually around my nipples the tenderness
is i think from me just applying to much pressure to a sensitive area. this is
what i hope!! ill continue with the nolva at 20 mg ed and see how it goes.

 

[IronWuu]

Keep us updated NFL's4puffs!

 

[nsashbl01]

I'd check to make sure that the gear is what you think. Spend the cash for a test. If the primo is really Deca, Nolva won't help. I'm very gyno prone, (200mg/wk test give me issues) and 400Primo and 40var didn't effect me at all. I tested it before using it.

Good luck....

 

[idcbp]

Just a thought, you said you are gyno sensitive. I'm guessing this means you've had problems on other cycles. If you've already gotten a touch of gyno then even mild fluctuations in test levels can stimulate sensation. The other possibility is that the whole thing is mental. I know guys who are gyno prone and obsess over it. They start a cycle and think that they are feeling the itch. They start touch and checking their chest to the degree that they actually cause the slight swelling and puffiness. Not saying this is the case, but I know some gys I could give symptoms with a placebo any day. Alot of them see great improvement by running an anti-estro, but its always hard to say whether the anti-estro stopped a real gyno problem or simply got them to calm down mentally. Please don't take this to mean you're imagining your symptoms b/c I'd hate to tell you that and then 2 weeks later you've got a big problem. Always better safe than sorry, but I just think guys should consider the mental thing if all they're experiencing are fleeting shades of symptoms when using low dosages of fairly safe gear particularly if they admitedly are somewhat paranoid. Of course the only penalty for overmedicating for estrogen is financial so my point could be less than compelling, but oh well.

 

[NFL's4puffs]

thanks guys. im thinking now that it has all been in my head as the pain, tenderness is easing off big time but of course its still on mind most of the
day so that aint helping but im feeling so much more comfortable compared
to last week. like i said i dont feel there is any swelling i cant feel anything
else than really my muscle, some fat and tissue that has obviously always been there. i suppose i could stop the cyle but i think it would be pointless as all this could just in my head. i really think this is the case. if it were a little gyno would i not still have pains or swelling! as the pain has seriously eased
since the weekend. i said that id always had slightly puffed nips but then
maybe i havent and again its me being slightly obsessed. compared to alot of pics of people an this board i think that i dont have problem with the size or slight puffiness my nips as i suppose ive inherited them from my old man. to be honest i can say i dont think i have a slight case of gyno its probably just my body fat compostion. i think if i could get a little more nolva i could then feel more at ease should the pains arise again can anyone tell me where i can get just nolva from? if i can get hold of some i will continue the cycle and i cant see how i should have any more problems. im sure the extra nolva will help.

thx for your help, comments