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Bruce

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I love the strength gains from winny as well as the look, however, the joint pain is intolerable. Will primo work as well as winny. I am 6 2 155, 3% body fat. I usually stack with Deca.
 
I def get way better strength gains from winny, deca should help the joint pain, also but some OTC for your joints.
 
What do you have against test?? No offense, but winny, primo, and var are what a lot of girls use... and at 6'2'' 155 most girls are bigger than you are. If you really want to get big you need to start running some heavier stuff. Run something like Test/deca/eq. You waste too much money trying to bulk with things like primo and var.
 
bruce410 said:
will var be as strong as winny or weaker.
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To answer you question - winny is stronger than var. However, if you take 50mg/var per day and stack with deca you'll be happy. Primo is an excellent drug and stacks well with deca or var or low doses of dbol. If you ran a cycle of 400mg deca/week 400mg/primo/week and 40mg var/day for 10 weeks you will be very happy with the results.

To answer your initial question: primo will work somewhat like winny - you won't feel the same strenght gains, but you'll get the same size - without the sides. But you'll have to run at least 400mg/week. Good luck.
 
Outtlaw said:
What do you have against test?? No offense, but winny, primo, and var are what a lot of girls use... and at 6'2'' 155 most girls are bigger than you are. If you really want to get big you need to start running some heavier stuff. Run something like Test/deca/eq. You waste too much money trying to bulk with things like primo and var.
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Agreed :o....At 6' 2" and a mere 155 lbs I think your money is MUCH BETTER spent in FOOD :o
 
3% b/f if you do a cutting cycle theres gonna be nothing left. However If this is a serious post I would do a tren/test/var cycle
 
Outtlaw said:
What do you have against test?? No offense, but winny, primo, and var are what a lot of girls use... and at 6'2'' 155 most girls are bigger than you are. If you really want to get big you need to start running some heavier stuff. Run something like Test/deca/eq. You waste too much money trying to bulk with things like primo and var.
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I only wanted to know which worked stronger, by the way the girls i have sex with weigh about 100 lbs. I am stacking it with Deca and Sust, i only was looking for a substitute for winny cause of joint pain. Thanks for the advice, but easy with the insults guy, I already look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, I just want to look like he did in Troy. Cause in case you didn't know thats what girls who weigh under 155 are attracted to. Also my buddy is an all american strong safety 6 0 215 benches 500 only will use winny or var, tried deca once. Its more money because it is quality and harmless.
 
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Bigdogmikey said:
3% b/f if you do a cutting cycle theres gonna be nothing left. However If this is a serious post I would do a tren/test/var cycle
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of course this is serious, i stack with sust and deca, i just want to know if maybe eq, var, primo could sub for the winny. thanks bro
 
bruce410 said:
I only wanted to know which worked stronger, by the way the girls i have sex with weigh about 100 lbs. I am stacking it with Deca and Sust, i only was looking for a substitute for winny cause of joint pain. Thanks for the advice, but easy with the insults guy, I already look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, I just want to look like he did in Troy. Cause in case you didn't know thats what girls who weigh under 155 are attracted to. Also my buddy is an all american strong safety 6 0 215 benches 500 only will use winny or var, tried deca once. Its more money because it is quality and harmless.
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Like I said, not trying to offend you bro. Just trying to offer some constructive criticism to help you get swole. 155 at 6'2 is REALLY thin. Im sure Pitt weighs at least 160 and no way he's 6'2''... so he's bigger than you are. To answer your origional question... I'd take primo over winny considering you're gonna stack it with deca/sust. But 400mg minimum on the primo... I say go 600mg, but if you go less than 400 forget it.
 
bruce410 said:
Also my buddy is an all american strong safety 6 0 215 benches 500 only will use winny or var, tried deca once. Its more money because it is quality and harmless.
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Is THAT what he told you? That's Deca is harmless :o
That is simply not true :o
 
Outtlaw said:
What do you have against test?? No offense, but winny, primo, and var are what a lot of girls use... and at 6'2'' 155 most girls are bigger than you are. If you really want to get big you need to start running some heavier stuff. Run something like Test/deca/eq. You waste too much money trying to bulk with things like primo and var.
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ditto.
 
Outtlaw said:
Like I said, not trying to offend you bro. Just trying to offer some constructive criticism to help you get swole. 155 at 6'2 is REALLY thin. Im sure Pitt weighs at least 160 and no way he's 6'2''... so he's bigger than you are. To answer your origional question... I'd take primo over winny considering you're gonna stack it with deca/sust. But 400mg minimum on the primo... I say go 600mg, but if you go less than 400 forget it.
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sorry about the outburst the sust has me edgy, will primo give the same strength gains, do i even need the cutter in the stack with sust and deca to get shredded? thanks for your honest opinion.
 
2Lunatics_ina_Rubber_Room said:
Hey, wasn't Karen Carpenter 6'2" 155 ?
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i don't know but your mom was around 230 middle line backer right? and your girlfriend an offensive lineman. Are you a real big guy with a small penis. sorry :p
 
bruce410 said:
sorry about the outburst the sust has me edgy, will primo give the same strength gains, do i even need the cutter in the stack with sust and deca to get shredded? thanks for your honest opinion.
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I wouldnt expect primo to be much different than winny as far as strength gains. If you really want to gain a lot of strength while cutting then you'd be better off with tren.
 
bruce410 said:
i don't know but your mom was around 230 middle line backer right? and your girlfriend an offensive lineman. Are you a real big guy with a small penis.
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I can see with your overly friendly attitude that you'll be of a real benefit around here :rolleyes: :o
 
The Terminator said:
I can see with your overly friendly attitude that you'll be of a real benefit around here :rolleyes: :o
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watch your mouth bro....hell wrap his enormous arms around your neck and crush your throat
 
The Terminator said:
With his massive arms it would probably be like wrestling with my little sister :D :lmao:
(if she had his bad attitude to match those guns :rolleyes: )
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I'm sure your were just born that way. All I wanted were some answers and you had to be a smart ass. why don't you offer good advice with a build like that
 
bruce410 said:
I'm sure your were just born that way. All I wanted were some answers and you had to be a smart ass. why don't you offer good advice with a build like that
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Go back and read through and see that I DID offer you advice...
You just chose not to take it :o, and threw your childish remark my way so dont blame me for starting this up...

I dont EVER come on here and start up flame wars...I DO have better things to do than sit and argue with guys on the computer...

You laid out an expensive cycle and I simply replied to you that your money would be better spent on food (and I STILL stand by that...)
 
bruce410 said:
I'm sure your were just born that way. All I wanted were some answers and you had to be a smart ass. why don't you offer good advice with a build like that
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buddy he gave you excellent advise....he told you should spend more money on food....rather than waste money on anabolics..when, in fact, you will gain virtually nothing when you are not eating enough....

enjoy the red karma for insulting a good freind:D
 
Primo is a much better drug than winny IMHO, but it is both more commonly faked and more expensive.
 
Not that I'm calling bullshit or anything, but how about posting a pic...I'd be interested to see what 3% BF looks like. And no...I'm not being a smart-ass...I'm seriously interested in how your stats translate into a physique. 6'2" 155 sounds very skinny comparing to myself at 5'9" 168 and ~9% BF
 
JoBu said:
Not that I'm calling bullshit or anything, but how about posting a pic...I'd be interested to see what 3% BF looks like. And no...I'm not being a smart-ass...I'm seriously interested in how your stats translate into a physique. 6'2" 155 sounds very skinny comparing to myself at 5'9" 168 and ~9% BF
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3% bf is a bout what a Mr. Olympia ON STAGE looks like...It is NOT a percent ANYONE can maintain for any length of time...:o

Whoever he got the test from tested it a bit low...:o
A VERY LUCKY LOW percentage might be around 6% (and that would be VERY LEAN at that...)

I dont have to see his or anyone elses pics to know that...NOBODY maintains a 3% bf...Not even starving Ethyopians...:o
 
bruce410 said:
i don't know but your mom was around 230 middle line backer right? and your girlfriend an offensive lineman. Are you a real big guy with a small penis. sorry :p
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If you don't want people to insult you multiple times, you shouldn't fire back at them. If you're proud that your goals and progress are different from others, there's no need to be defensive. That's just my advice to get people to respect you. You want to know what pissed me off?

Don't say "sorry" after you use text to insult someone; that's lame.

-Slim
 
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The Terminator said:
3% bf is a bout what a Mr. Olympia ON STAGE looks like...It is NOT a percent ANYONE can maintain for any length of time...:o

Whoever he got the test from tested it a bit low...:o
A VERY LUCKY LOW percentage might be around 6% (and that would be VERY LEAN at that...)

I dont have to see his or anyone elses pics to know that...NOBODY maintains a 3% bf...Not even starving Ethyopians...:o
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I haven't weighed myself in water, but when they pinch test me thats what they say. what is the big deal, and your wrong, most sprinters are around 3-5%. How would you measure it.
 
JoBu said:
Not that I'm calling bullshit or anything, but how about posting a pic...I'd be interested to see what 3% BF looks like. And no...I'm not being a smart-ass...I'm seriously interested in how your stats translate into a physique. 6'2" 155 sounds very skinny comparing to myself at 5'9" 168 and ~9% BF
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How can you measure other than being pinched without spending a grip. Thats what I was told when they did the pinch test. Obviously I have less fat if I weigh so much less than you.
 
SlimJim300 said:
If you don't want people to insult you multiple times, you shouldn't fire back at them. If you're proud that your goals and progress are different from others, there's no need to be defensive. That's just my advice to get people to respect you. You want to know what pissed me off?

Don't say "sorry" after you use text to insult someone; that's lame.

-Slim
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The guy was being a complete prick man. He didn't even offer advice just a weak insult. And I had never even fired back at anyone yet. I'm a little edgy I thougth you guys would be the one group of individuals that could understand. I just wanted straight advice about cutters.
 
When I said "skinny" I meant to imply scrawny skinny not low BF skinny. Just because i weight more than you doesn't mean I have more BF...ever consider I might have more muscle mass?

Just post a pic...

bruce410 said:
How can you measure other than being pinched without spending a grip. Thats what I was told when they did the pinch test. Obviously I have less fat if I weigh so much less than you.
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bruce410 said:
I haven't weighed myself in water, but when they pinch test me thats what they say. what is the big deal, and your wrong, most sprinters are around 3-5%. How would you measure it.
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That depends on how much you want to spend for accuracy purposes...

The best results will be via hydrostatic weighing, or maybe in the "BodPod".

But for most guys the caliper tests are practical and accurate enough...(though they can usually vary about +/- 3% (and that is with a GOOD tester...)
I am not trying to insult you, I'm just pointing out that noone is going to be 3% BF (your result came via the +/- 3% error more than likely...)
I seriously doubt even sprinters would fall in a range THAT low :o
 
The Terminator said:
That depends on how much you want to spend for accuracy purposes...

The best results will be via hydrostatic weighing, or maybe in the "BodPod".

But for most guys the caliper tests are practical and accurate enough...(though they can usually vary about +/- 3% (and that is with a GOOD tester...)
I am not trying to insult you, I'm just pointing out that noone is going to be 3% BF (your result came via the +/- 3% error more than likely...)
I seriously doubt even sprinters would fall in a range THAT low :o
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what would you say Roy Jones body fat is
 
JoBu said:
When I said "skinny" I meant to imply scrawny skinny not low BF skinny. Just because i weight more than you doesn't mean I have more BF...ever consider I might have more muscle mass?

Just post a pic...
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If what Terminator said is tru my test is plus or minus 3 so It could be more like 6, he seems to know his stuff. I'll try and find a digital camera if its so important to you. we can compare pictures. I'll let you know.
 
bruce410 said:
what would you say Roy Jones body fat is
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Ofhhand I recognize the name but cant picture what he looks like (or WHO he actually is :p)...I dont watch much TV, or read the news :D

Post a pic of him and I can give you an educated guess of what he might be...:)
I'm pretty good about guessing by eye (I have worked in the fitness industry for nearly 5 years now...)
 
bruce410 said:
If what Terminator said is tru my test is plus or minus 3 so It could be more like 6, he seems to know his stuff. I'll try and find a digital camera if its so important to you. we can compare pictures. I'll let you know.
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At 6% bf the muscle definition seen would be similar to a detailed musculature anatomy chart :)

In other words, you would be ripped up pretty good :D
 
bruce410 said:
The guy was being a complete prick man. He didn't even offer advice just a weak insult. And I had never even fired back at anyone yet. I'm a little edgy I thougth you guys would be the one group of individuals that could understand. I just wanted straight advice about cutters.
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over 6ft. tall and 155lbs and you want advise about cutters???

wow
good luck cutting
lol
 
Compare pictures...sure, we can do that. Term knows his shit. And what he said was that if the person doing the pinch is good then it is typically +/-3%. If they aren't good then it could be all over the board. I'm not saying you're not 3% but I'd really like to see what 6'2" 155 3% looks like cause I just can't imagine it...not only low BF but also must be low muscle too...or you've got very light bones. I've never claimed to be a big dude but I have a little meat on my bones.

Okay, here's mine, now let's see yours...5'9" 168lbs ~9%

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bruce410 said:
If what Terminator said is tru my test is plus or minus 3 so It could be more like 6, he seems to know his stuff. I'll try and find a digital camera if its so important to you. we can compare pictures. I'll let you know.
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JoBu said:
Compare pictures...sure, we can do that. Term knows his shit. And what he said was that if the person doing the pinch is good then it is typically +/-3%. If they aren't good then it could be all over the board. I'm not saying you're not 3% but I'd really like to see what 6'2" 155 3% looks like cause I just can't imagine it...not only low BF but also must be low muscle too...or you've got very light bones. I've never claimed to be a big dude but I have a little meat on my bones.

Okay, here's mine, now let's see yours...5'9" 168lbs ~9%

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See youre torso is much wider than mine naturally, as well as your shoulders. You have a more broad shoulder/ chest look. My arms and back are my strengths. And by the way I weighed 140 before I did my first cycle, a year ago. My legs are very thin too and thats alot of weight. Yes I probably have light bones because I have always weighed so little that even my doctor wouldn't believe it because I didn't look it. Working on finding a digi camera.
 
The Terminator said:
At 6% bf the muscle definition seen would be similar to a detailed musculature anatomy chart :)

In other words, you would be ripped up pretty good :D
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Hey do you think that i should cut the winny out of the stack, and just go deca sust. Is the winny going to hold back the body from bulking or something. everyone acts like I'm crazy for adding the win to the stack?
 
bruce410 said:
Hey do you think that i should cut the winny out of the stack, and just go deca sust. Is the winny going to hold back the body from bulking or something. everyone acts like I'm crazy for adding the win to the stack?
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If you are more interested in size then Deca and Sust are PLENTY :o
Winstrol isnt the best choice (for sheer size) imo...But certainly could be used in conjunction with proper eating to gain some decent size...

I dont know what you specific goal was though, so I couldnt say for sure...But if you want more size then I think the Deca/Sust combo is PLENTY...
 
Winny is typically used to cut and get definition. So if you're 3-6% BF then you really don't need it and your efforts and resources are better spent on adding size. I can't speak for Deca but sust is a nice choice for adding lean mass. Maybe sust and EQ would strike a nice balance?

bruce410 said:
Hey do you think that i should cut the winny out of the stack, and just go deca sust. Is the winny going to hold back the body from bulking or something. everyone acts like I'm crazy for adding the win to the stack?
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bruce410 said:
I only wanted to know which worked stronger, by the way the girls i have sex with weigh about 100 lbs. I am stacking it with Deca and Sust, i only was looking for a substitute for winny cause of joint pain. Thanks for the advice, but easy with the insults guy, I already look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, I just want to look like he did in Troy. Cause in case you didn't know thats what girls who weigh under 155 are attracted to. Also my buddy is an all american strong safety 6 0 215 benches 500 only will use winny or var, tried deca once. Its more money because it is quality and harmless.
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at 155 6'2" if u think ur big u must have no ass ..... i wanna see some pics. :rolleyes:
 
I've dabbled a little. Sust and Tren for 8 weeks about 2 years ago...lost 75% of it cause I had poor PCT. I finished 6 weeks of var @30mg/day a few months ago...gained ~8lbs and kept most of it. Those pics are after 2 weeks of CKD starting Jan 1...made all the difference in the world. I'm down to 168 which is the least I've weighed in a couple years but I'm also leaner than I've been in a long time too. I'm ramping up my triathlon training so staying lean and ditching extra weight is important...who wants to carry around 10lbs of BF for a 3-5 hour race?

gunz99 said:
lmao that was hella funny just picturing a 6'2'' 155lb guy with two 45 lb plates good shit.. hey jobu do you juice, what you on
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Excidium28 said:
at 155 6'2" if u think ur big u must have no ass ..... i wanna see some pics. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE
i have muscle but by no means do I think I am big. I have no ass and my legs are real thin. Like I said I am about as big as brad pitt in fight club, i got much longer arms though, and a narrower torso. I'll get a pic. The point is I am trying to get big, so if you can help me out I'd appreciate it.
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detroitbodybuildertigers said:
Big Bruce,
You'll need two 45's strapped to your waist in order to submerge in the BF tank :RADAR
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Only 45's I strap on go click clack.
 
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detroitbodybuildertigers said:
Click Clack...Big Bruce wears tap shoes as well....interesting...GO EAT "BIG BRUCE" then come back to the site when you're a duece at least BEYYATCH :chomp:
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not lookin to be a deuce, pro cornerbacks that are over 6 feet weigh 170-180, I'll remember you when I start playing pac 10 bitch. Not everyone wants to look like arnold.
 
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