preventing fina gyno??

[bbkingpin]

I understand what your saying bro but i dont think it would be very true, after all if you using nolva with your test and tren there will still be loads of estrogen inthe system to work with the prog. Maybe if you was using anti aromatase's it might work.

My experience is lending me to believe that estrogen is needed to cause gyno with progesterone, the first time i tried tren i got gyno on 75mged, i was also using test and .5 of ldex, however this time im using 100ed of nandralone phenylprop with test and dbol but also using aromasin and no sign of gyno at all.

Well,the idea is that the breast tissue has both progesterone receptors (PR) and estrogen receptors(ER). If, according to the medical journal I was reading, the PR is an "estrogen induced protein" then by blocking the estrogen from binding to the breast tissue, the PR is not activated. (I.e., the Nolva binds to the ER in the breast tissue so that estrogen cannot.) Your experience of gyno with test, tren, and L-dex lends support to the notion I referred to because you were NOT taking Nolva with your cycle. That's why I said the only people who can help the debate are those who can answer: "Who has NO problems with gyno when on Nolvadex AND Testosterone but has problems with gyno on Nolvadex AND Deca/Fina?" You have to try Nolvadex and see if you get gyno. If you get gyno taking Nolva with Deca/Tren but not Nolva with Test, then prog gyno is possible independent of Nolva's inluence in breast tissue. That is the whole question involved in this thread: what to do if gyno develops from fina.

I can take test and Nolva and no gyno. Why would I rely solely on L-dex? I can take Nolva and Deca or Tren and no gyno. That is my personal experience. And the times I developed gyno was a couple of times years ago when I had no Nolva. And deca alone Never caused it. Methyl-test caused it; androstendione caused it. Anadrol might have aggravated it but not really like Methyl-test, andro, and, believe it or not, high doses of ginseng for a few weeks. I later read that ginseng is very close in structure to estrogen. Nolvadex, taken even after the "small" (relatively speaking -- any amount of gyno is too much) mass had developed, worked to reduce the mass to normal or almost normal size.

 

[biggerdave]

well i didnt realise you were going to be that finicky but as you are you may as well know i was using nolva and bromo on that tren test cycle so i am not a good example of your theory.
What i want to know is, if prog needs estr to cause gyno surely that means they both have some affinity for each others receptors? can any one confirm or deny this?

 

[bbkingpin]

well i was using nolva and bromo on that tren test cycle so i am not a good example of your theory.
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You did not say that before.
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What i want to know is, if prog needs estr to cause gyno surely that means they both have some affinity for each others receptors? can any one confirm or deny this?

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I think that estrogen is the prime culprit for gyno. I don't know where the prog gyno theory re deca originated. I would like to read that study. Because that is the basic assumption of everyone on this board who says that deca can cause gyno through progesterone conversion rather than estrogen conversion. I'm not the one with the answer, just know what works for me. But I don't think most on this board really know the answer. That is not an insult to anyone. Just a wake up call to do your own research. I think that is what I am going to do from now on. Check med journal articles.
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[daemon]

So, if you think you might be getting the start of fina gyno, ie; itchy tender nipples, can you just discontinue use and not have to worry about it?

I believe no. I don't have any medical studies to back me up but for me, as soon as I noticed it, it was too late.

To those who mentioned I should have been using Nolva for the progesterone, abosolutely. Unfortunately I didn't understand at the time that liquidex didn't take care of that. My bad for not researching it enough.