preventing fina gyno??

[gunner44]

I think we should all consider that possibility that "gyno" from progesterone could simply be the progestin (tren) acting on the mamery tissue that some people have more or less of than others.

What i have experienced from tren was soreness somewhat like a pregnant woman gets when lactating. I had no formation of any new tissue, but the very small "structures" directly behind my nipple got very hard and SORE ! After 6-8 weeks, the lumps returned to their normal state prior to AAS use. I was also lactating a little.


If you already got breast tissue , tren can "activate it" casuing milk production,swelling,and pain. Thats what progestins are supposed to do, indudce lactation in the titties.

If you let estrogen get out of control at the same time you have progestins in your body , then the new titties will be fully operational from the start, and will grow faster and probably caus e even more discomfort.

In summary, you better control estrogen in a serious way if you are using tren for the first time.

I would recommend a short Tren only cycle. Better safe than sorry.

 

[bbkingpin]

If you let estrogen get out of control at the same time you have progestins in your body , then the new titties will be fully operational from the start, and will grow faster and probably caus e even more discomfort.

In summary, you better control estrogen in a serious way if you are using tren for the first time.

I agree.

 

[daemon]

"Who has NO problems with gyno when on Nolvadex AND Testosterone but has problems with gyno on Nolvadex AND Deca/Fina?" In other words, has anyone gotten "progesterone gyno" while taking an anti-estrogen -- namely, Nolvadex? If the answer is yes, then there is prog-gyno that develops independently of estrogen's influence. The only problem is that all kinds of people will chime in when the only people who can speak authoriatively are the ones who can answer, FROM EXPERIENCE, "Who has NO problems with gyno when on Nolvadex AND Testosterone but has problems with gyno on Nolvadex AND Deca/Fina?"

All I can say is that my first cycle: 250mg test, 250mg deca, 40mg dbol ED with liquidex went fine. Second cycle, 500mg test, 75mg fina ED with liquidex, and I developed "gyno". Mr. Llewellyn is a heck of a lot brighter than me in these areas but all I know is now I have puffy nipples that are constantly sore and have a lump.

 

[jubei]

Dail tone, what do you use for fina gyno??

 

[baddogk9]

I also lactate post tren only cycle. no soreness tho, it goes away in about 5-7 days. I do have some gyno from puberty and test.

 

[jh1]

Why bromo? Has anyone used Dostinex? I hear it is more effective and has a lot less side...

Anyone with experience?

 

[bbkingpin]

All I can say is that my first cycle: 250mg test, 250mg deca, 40mg dbol ED with liquidex went fine. Second cycle, 500mg test, 75mg fina ED with liquidex, and I developed "gyno". Mr. Llewellyn is a heck of a lot brighter than me in these areas but all I know is now I have puffy nipples that are constantly sore and have a lump.

1. L-dex does not prevent aromatization 100% -- I've read studies of like 55% less aromatization. So, 500 mg of Sust w/ L-dex is like 225 mg of sust without any Nolva or L-dex, as far as aromatization is concerned. (I.e., 45% (100-55) less aromatization of 500 mg = 225 mg (or .45x 500mg=225mg) of aromatization.)
2. Nolvadex binds at the breast tissue to block estro from binding and developing gyno.
Therefore, Nolvadex is probably preferable to L-dex if you had to choose between the two. Both is ideal -- less estro to compete with Nolva and probably less water retention..

 

[gunner44]

1. L-dex does not prevent aromatization 100% -- I've read studies of like 55% less aromatization. So, 500 mg of Sust w/ L-dex is like 225 mg of sust without any Nolva or L-dex, as far as aromatization is concerned. (I.e., 45% (100-55) less aromatization of 500 mg = 225 mg (or .45x 500mg=225mg) of aromatization.)
2. Nolvadex binds at the breast tissue to block estro from binding and developing gyno.
Therefore, Nolvadex is probably preferable to L-dex if you had to choose between the two. Both is ideal -- less estro to compete with Nolva and probably less water retention..

About time someone pointed out that Arimidex is not 100% effective like everyone wants to think.

When on cycle, I always "STACK MY FUCKING ANTI-E's PEOPLE!!

Proviron
Nolvadex
Liquidex

Use all three and you will be safe, until you mess with Tren.
If you are worried about hurting your results , then go ahead and sprout a pair, its your choice.

 

[jubei]

So, if you think you might be getting the start of fina gyno, ie; itchy tender nipples, can you just discontinue use and not have to worry about it?

 

[biggerdave]

I don't think anyone has the knowledge to answer you. It is all speculation on the part of most. There is some authoritative info by W_Llewellyn that prog-gyno is a myth because it still needs estrogen to develop gyno. I read in a medical journal that the progesterone-receptor in an "estrogen induced protein" which would lend support to the theory that w/o estrogen's influence, you wont get gyno from progesterone. I just wish someone would do a poll: "Who has NO problems with gyno when on Nolvadex AND Testosterone but has problems with gyno on Nolvadex AND Deca/Fina?" In other words, has anyone gotten "progesterone gyno" while taking an anti-estrogen -- namely, Nolvadex? If the answer is yes, then there is prog-gyno that develops independently of estrogen's influence. The only problem is that all kinds of people will chime in when the only people who can speak authoriatively are the ones who can answer, FROM EXPERIENCE, "Who has NO problems with gyno when on Nolvadex AND Testosterone but has problems with gyno on Nolvadex AND Deca/Fina?"

I understand what your saying bro but i dont think it would be very true, after all if you using nolva with your test and tren there will still be loads of estrogen inthe system to work with the prog. Maybe if you was using anti aromatase's it might work.

My experience is lending me to believe that estrogen is needed to cause gyno with progesterone, the first time i tried tren i got gyno on 75mged, i was also using test and .5 of ldex, however this time im using 100ed of nandralone phenylprop with test and dbol but also using aromasin and no sign of gyno at all.