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Prediction: Dan Rather will resign from CBS

Longhorn85 said:
As a result of docugate. He screwed up big time, but he is just another irrational Bush-Basher gone wild.
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bold prediction, we'll see. i think he should at least have an on-air apology to the president.
 
LOL poink, no, I think Leslie Stahl will step up to the plate as Dan quits in disgrace. He pictured himself going out as some elderly statesman like Walter Cronkite or Tom Brokaw. Probably expected an ambassadorship in Kerry's administration. Nope, out on your ass.

He should probably be on Admiral Boorda suicide watch.
 
LH85,you were AWOL while the fight was still in doubt
it's all over but for the shoutin'
I'm still smartin' about you giving me grief when I broke the swift vets story here 2 weeks prior to its general acknowledgement
you told me to STFU
bear in mind prior to my swift assault I took a fair amount of time out to post some observations from an intellectual non-partisan about the reasons we needed to go into Iraq
which seems to be the salient point for the anti-Bush crowd
apart from a very few who chose to comment on the "insight" in a debatable manner
I mostly received ridicule and scorn(most notably from Bo=den).
As a military historian I was already up-to-date on Kerry's specious Nam service,
and I felt his credibility and character was in question
and then I learned more
and it got worse
 
I'd be willing to wager AAP's left-nut that Rather was just the medium to deliver the false documents.

Chances are it goes a little higher.
 
4everhung said:
LH85,you were AWOL while the fight was still in doubt
it's all over but for the shoutin'
I'm still smartin' about you giving me grief when I broke the swift vets story here 2 weeks prior to its general acknowledgement
you told me to STFU
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Hey come on, I've been keeping liberals at bay here for years! Besides, during my month-long hiatus I've been in the trenches here in DC.

Please post a link where I told you to STFU about the vets. I don't remember that one.
 
Could happen -who owns the parent company? Viacom? I think Redstone is a flaming democrat though....
 
yes, and Rush Limbaugh will resign over his drug scandal.....................oh wait, his fat punk ass is still there.......................nevermind.
 
Well, since nothing has been proven re: "Docugate" yet, it's a bit premature to predict heads rolling. The "it was composed in MS Word" issue has been pretty thoroughly debunked.
 
Mr. dB said:
Well, since nothing has been proven re: "Docugate" yet, it's a bit premature to predict heads rolling. The "it was composed in MS Word" issue has been pretty thoroughly debunked.
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not on fox news...AKA RNC Broadcasting inc.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Hey come on, I've been keeping liberals at bay here for years! Besides, during my month-long hiatus I've been in the trenches here in DC.

Please post a link where I told you to STFU about the vets. I don't remember that one.
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You haven't been keeping liberals at bay, but you have been doing a bang up job or making the right wing look like the looney bin.
 
Huh? No, it hasn't.

There are experts lining up to testify to the fact that the document is a word doc.



Mr. dB said:
Well, since nothing has been proven re: "Docugate" yet, it's a bit premature to predict heads rolling. The "it was composed in MS Word" issue has been pretty thoroughly debunked.
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Code said:
Huh? No, it hasn't.

There are experts lining up to testify to the fact that the document is a word doc.
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As well as those lining up to atest that the documents can come from the IBM selectric.
 
Code said:
Huh? No, it hasn't.

There are experts lining up to testify to the fact that the document is a word doc.
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Indeed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A18982-2004Sep13?language=printer

Speaking of documents, anyone catch a glimpse at that After Action Report written by Kerry himself that states that instead of heroicly killing a vietcong who was about to fire an RPG at his boat, he instead shot the teenager AFTER he was wounded and limping away? Good shit.
 
This quote is the best:

""I am personally 100 percent sure that they are fake," said Joseph M. Newcomer, author of several books on Windows programming, who worked on electronic typesetting techniques in the early 1970s. Newcomer said he had produced virtually exact replicas of the CBS documents using Microsoft Word formatting and the Times New Roman font."
 
This means nothing. I bet that other documents from the period can be located with the same characteristics, composed on an IBM Displaywriter.

Just one example -- the superscripts. If it was done in a word processor, all available superscripts would have been used, not just the superscript "th". "th" was clearly the only scuperscript on the ball of this particular Selectric.

Word can be used to duplicate just about any document form, that proves nothing.
 
Furthermore, it is one thing to say that the documents can be perfectly reproduced with a modern word processor. But have any of the "experts" come out and said that it would be impossible for the documents to have been produced in a standard-issue IBM Selectric Displaywriter?

I have hands-on experience with the Displaywriter from the early 1970s, they had one in my high school typing lab. It could produce text that looked like it came from a printer's shop. The ribbon was a film instead of an impregnated cloth, and could only be used once. The paper showed very little, if any, impact indentations. It was very slick.
 
From the Washingotn Post article


A detailed comparison by The Washington Post of memos obtained by CBS News with authenticated documents on Bush's National Guard service reveals dozens of inconsistencies, ranging from conflicting military terminology to different word-processing techniques.

The docs are horseshit. And Kerry is insane to pursue this line of reasoning; does he think military types who always vote Republican are "on the fence"?

Weird weird weird. Who is running that campaign?
 
WHile I'm sure you get called as an expert witness on word processors, I think I'll take this chick's (an actual expert witness) word over yours.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/opinion/9657554.htm?1c

Mr. dB said:
This means nothing. I bet that other documents from the period can be located with the same characteristics, composed on an IBM Displaywriter.

Just one example -- the superscripts. If it was done in a word processor, all available superscripts would have been used, not just the superscript "th". "th" was clearly the only scuperscript on the ball of this particular Selectric.

Word can be used to duplicate just about any document form, that proves nothing.
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The administration and white house got the documents. Then they released the documents to the public. They DID NOT question the accuracy of the documents. Then they CHANGED thier story regarding Bushs service records for the second time in a week.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Give it up. Once we found out who fed those document to CBS this will really get interesting.

Moveon.org comes to mind.
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The White House released them. Duh.
 
Who cares.. the White House told on their own homeboy.

Typical.
 
The fact remains unchanged. Bush didn't fulfill his obligations.

No one is disputing that.
 
AAP said:
The fact remains unchanged. Bush didn't fulfill his obligations.

No one is disputing that.
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...and was apparently not well regarded for his skills as a pilot.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
From the Washingotn Post article

Weird weird weird. Who is running that campaign?
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bob shrum. the guy is very well acquainted with losing, considering his track record for election campaign is 0-7. i shit you not.

but then again, in order to get up the ranks in the democratic party, you have to fail and continue to fail repeatedly.
 
in regards to bush 'not fulfilling his obligations', he did.

he had enough active duty time served in his first 2 years to cover the remaining 6, since the national guard works off of MUTA points.

i dont even see why people are going to argue this, since he was honorably discharged, these memo's have been a joke to every other media organization except CBS, and it doesnt matter to voters anyways.

stop listening to randi rhodes and al franken.
 
p0ink said:
in regards to bush 'not fulfilling his obligations', he did.

he had enough active duty time served in his first 2 years to cover the remaining 6, since the national guard works off of MUTA points.

i dont even see why people are going to argue this, since he was honorably discharged, these memo's have been a joke to every other media organization except CBS, and it doesnt matter to voters anyways.

stop listening to randi rhodes and al franken.
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so was Kerry...and people are arguing about him.
 
well if this is a prediction thread, when EXACTLY is he going to resign? Because I could predict that Rather would eventually resign, there's no ESP needed there.
 
Longhorn85 said:
They are holding his feet to the fire for his anti-war, anti-military rants after he left the service.
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This is something I don't understand. It wasn't a good war. It wasn't a war we should have been in. It was long past time to disengage from that conflict. Yet he's getting railed for stating the obvious and speaking out against something that should have been stopped years before? What kind of sense does that make? Is everyone willing to play the "Emperors new cloths" game?
 
The Nature Boy said:
well if this is a prediction thread, when EXACTLY is he going to resign? Because I could predict that Rather would eventually resign, there's no ESP needed there.
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Fair enough. Within a month of the revelation of the source of those fake documents.
 
Indeed!
I predict Dan Rather will die sometime in the next 20 years.

The Nature Boy said:
well if this is a prediction thread, when EXACTLY is he going to resign? Because I could predict that Rather would eventually resign, there's no ESP needed there.
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strongsmartsexy said:
This is something I don't understand. It wasn't a good war. It wasn't a war we should have been in. It was long past time to disengage from that conflict. Yet he's getting railed for stating the obvious and speaking out against something that should have been stopped years before? What kind of sense does that make? Is everyone willing to play the "Emperors new cloths" game?
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He accused the military of systematic, leader-sanctioned atrocities as POLICY. He made a harsh situation much more difficult and dangerous for those who were POWs at the time.

Plus he is a a hypocrite. He tried to hide from his anti-war past at his own convention and portrayed himself as Audie Murphy. He brought this completely on himself.
 
Longhorn85 said:
He accused the military of systematic, leader-sanctioned atrocities as POLICY. He made a harsh situation much more difficult and dangerous for those who were POWs at the time.

Plus he is a a hypocrite. He tried to hide from his anti-war past at his own convention and portrayed himself as Audie Murphy. He brought this completely on himself.
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Was he speaking truth about what was occuring? If not then shame on him. If he was, then shame on the administration who allowed these policies to be in place. Their actions placed the danger in that case. You can't hide the dirty laundry.

He's a hypocrite? Like that is a moniker owned only by him and none of the other politicians today? Yeah, I buy that. Bush is the ONLY non-hypocrite on earth. OMG what are we going to do when he's no longer around? OMG
 
strongsmartsexy said:
Was he speaking truth about what was occuring?

He's a hypocrite? Like that is a moniker owned only by him and none of the other politicians today? Yeah, I buy that. Bush is the ONLY non-hypocrite on earth.
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No, he was not speaking the truth, and his motivation for slandering the military was for self-promotion.

Is that your best argument to defend Kerry? Bush is one too?
 
Longhorn85 said:
No, he was not speaking the truth, and his motivation for slandering the military was for self-promotion.

Is that your best argument to defend Kerry? Bush is one too?
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I'm not trying to defend Kerry. I can't stand him. ALthough, I can't stand Bush more. :worried:
 
Longhorn85 said:
As a result of docugate. He screwed up big time, but he is just another irrational Bush-Basher gone wild.
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Bush is an idiot........

I'm a soldier, and I still think Bush is a complete idiot.

I think there needs to a IQ requirement of 100 to be president.....this guy can't even speak a complete sentence without fucking it up.


BTW: did you ever figure out what OpSec is, soldier?

DIV

:chomp:
 
division, which branch?

anyhow, they traced the forged docs to a kinkos in abilene, tx where a certain bill burkett, the most out-spoken, former TXARNG officer has his own personal account.

heads are going to start rolling. if they prove he forged these, he is in a LOT of trouble.

longhorns, can a former member of the military still be subject to UCMJ? i havent got a clue.
 
strongsmartsexy said:
I'm not trying to defend Kerry. I can't stand him. ALthough, I can't stand Bush more. :worried:
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I feel you on this.....

Kerry can't pick a stance and stick with it......he has no balls.

Bush on the other hand has other people do his thinking for him, can't speak proper english without fucking it up and is basically despised by the leaders of every country, except England.

I don't see how a draftdodger who didn't even complete his "National Guard" obligations can criticize anyone....least of all a Vietnam vet like Kerry.

DIV

:chomp:
 
p0ink said:
division, which branch?

anyhow, they traced the forged docs to a kinkos in abilene, tx where a certain bill burkett, the most out-spoken, former TXARNG officer has his own personal account.

heads are going to start rolling. if they prove he forged these, he is in a LOT of trouble.

longhorns, can a former member of the military still be subject to UCMJ? i havent got a clue.
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I'm Army.

You aren't subject to UCMJ once you are discharged.....so no, he can't be punished for any criminal wrongdoing that happened when he was in the AirNationGuard.

DIV

:chomp:
 
Longhorn85 said:
Fair enough. Within a month of the revelation of the source of those fake documents.
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You think Rather is going to resign just because a 40 year old personal trainer predicts he will?

Pffft!
 
AAP said:
You think Rather is going to resign just because a 40 year old personal trainer predicts he will?

Pffft!
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AAP, stop being such a moody fuck........c'mon bro.

Why can't you just chill and hang with the homies?

:confused:

DIV

:chomp:
 
because the reality is just absurd. this man is going to leave a highly paid lucrative job and security position in history just because of documents the White House released themselves?
 
howell raines, the chief editor of the NY Times, resigned because one of jason blair creating stories.

it can happen.
 
AAP said:
because the reality is just absurd. this man is going to leave a highly paid lucrative job and security position in history just because of documents the White House released themselves?
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I don't believe it either for that matter.

DIV

:chomp:
 
you guys are assuming he will resign on his own free will. he does have many people above him. and if the point of CBS news it to make money, and he is causing them to lose business by discrediting the entire network, heads will start rolling.
 
it will come to light eventually. it always does. someone will leak the details.
 
p0ink said:
in regards to bush 'not fulfilling his obligations', he did.

he had enough active duty time served in his first 2 years to cover the remaining 6, since the national guard works off of MUTA points.

i dont even see why people are going to argue this, since he was honorably discharged, these memo's have been a joke to every other media organization except CBS, and it doesnt matter to voters anyways.

stop listening to randi rhodes and al franken.
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No no no...he didn't have enough points.

His daddy got him a pass and you're too blind to see it.

Stop listening to Rush, hannity, coulter, and hume.
 
WODIN said:
No no no...he didn't have enough points.

His daddy got him a pass and you're too blind to see it.

Stop listening to Rush, hannity, coulter, and hume.
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yeah.
 
DIVISION said:
I don't see how a draftdodger who didn't even complete his "National Guard" obligations can criticize anyone....least of all a Vietnam vet like Kerry.
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He's not a draft dodger and he hasn't criticized Kerry's military record. These uninformed, left-wing talking point type comments from you, along with your insistence that Bush is dumb tells me that you are pretty lazy when it comes to knowing your commander in chief.

Thankfully Bush will win re-election easily largely due to folks like you who are swayed by hearsay, group-think and emotion. I doubt that you'll even vote.
 
Impacting CBS bottom line:


XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU SEPT 16, 2004 11:42:09 ET XXXXX

CBS CONCERN OVER VIEWERSHIP PLUNGE; RATHER RATINGS FADE IN MAJOR MARKETS

CBS executives on both coasts have become concerned in recent days that Dan Rather's EVENING NEWS broadcast has plunged in the ratings since the anchor presented questionable documents about Bush's National Guard service.

NIELSEN numbers released this week show Rather fading and trailing his rivals in every Top 10 city, other than San Francisco, with audience margins in some cities running more than 6 to 1 against CBS!

Executives fear many voters inclined to vote for Bush are now switching off Rather.

In Philadelphia, the nation's #4 market, Rather pulled a 2.6 rating/5 share on Tuesday night against ABC's 13.3 rating/23 share and NBC's 4.0/7.

In Chicago, Rather hit a 2.3/5 to ABC's 9.2/20.

CBS trailed ABC by more than 2 to 1 in Los Angeles.

And in the nation's top market, New York, Rather finished not only behind NBC NIGHTLY NEWS and ABC WORLD NEWS TONIGHT -- but also pulled less audience than reruns of the SIMPSONS, WILL & GRACE and KING OF QUEENS.

Rather finished dead last in New York during the 6:30 pm timeslot among all broadcast channels tracked by NIELSEN on Tuesday.
 
All the sheep quit watching.

Most probably switched over to http://www.cbn.com/ as thier secondary news channell behind Fox. My bad, they already are using cbn as their secondary news channel for fair and balanced information.
 
tad does it bother you that we have conservative media sources out there to counter the majority of liberal ones?

Remember: truth is best served by a free, competitive, media. Just ask CBS.
 
Longhorn85 said:
He's not a draft dodger ........with your insistence that Bush is dumb
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actually he did dodge the draft.... because the other guys who went AWOL and missed exams were automatically drafted into Nam. Why wasn't bushie?

And you don't really think bush is smart do you? Puh-Leeze.
 
MAX 300 said:
You believe the Drudge report Longhorn?
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What's not to believe? It is simply a compilation of links from various sources including the Wash Post, Wash Times, NY Times, USA Today, Wall St Journal, etc.

Sounds like you're scared of it like it's the boogie man or something.

Check it out. It is awesome. drudgereport.com
 
Longhorn85 said:
These documents came from a kook:


http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2799919
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Longhorn, the authenticity of the document isn't the real issue here, it's the content of the document that is important. All signs point to Bush being a pampered, privaleged, un-motivated snotty rich brat who served a half-ass term in the guard to avoid being sent to Nam and coasted through college on Daddy's money. This whole document issue is just more misdirection from the White House. The sad thing is that it probably will work.
 
bush = freeloading loser who couldn't break out of the bottom 10% of his college class even inspite of daddies money and still couldn't stop the champagne unit from grounding him due to underachieving standards.

bush = lied every single day of his life.
 
Forge said:
Longhorn, the authenticity of the document isn't the real issue here, it's the content of the document that is important. All signs point to Bush being a pampered, privaleged, un-motivated snotty rich brat who served a half-ass term in the guard to avoid being sent to Nam and coasted through college on Daddy's money. This whole document issue is just more misdirection from the White House. The sad thing is that it probably will work.
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Forge

You are confused friend

The story was "we have documents which show that Bush was pampered and given preferential treatment."

Without the documents, the story is just another unsubstantiated charge. Like my saying I have documents showing Forge embezzled from his company. Then you prove the documents were false, and I respond "but you still need to explain why you embezzled from the company"

WTF

This isnt rocket science
 
JerseyArt said:
Forge

You are confused friend

The story was "we have documents which show that Bush was pampered and given preferential treatment."

Without the documents, the story is just another unsubstantiated charge. Like my saying I have documents showing Forge embezzled from his company. Then you prove the documents were false, and I respond "but you still need to explain why you embezzled from the company"

WTF

This isnt rocket science
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Jart, what gives? I told you to keep quiet about that embezzling thing. Your cut just got reduced to 15%, keep talking if you want even less of the pie. ;)
 
Forge said:
Longhorn, the authenticity of the document isn't the real issue here, it's the content of the document that is important.
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This is a laughable comment. Unfortunately you and many other libs really believe that.
 
Longhorn85 said:
This is a laughable comment. Unfortunately you and many other libs really believe that.
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Sir, I am a proud Republican, always have been. If you put one up for the Presidency then I will vote for him, but Bush is not my idea of a Republican.
 
Forge said:
Sir, I am a proud Republican, always have been. If you put one up for the Presidency then I will vote for him, but Bush is not my idea of a Republican.
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You must not have gotten the memo.

If you disagree with longhorn you're a Liberal.
 
Forge said:
Sir, I am a proud Republican, always have been. If you put one up for the Presidency then I will vote for him, but Bush is not my idea of a Republican.
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If you like the republican party you should love Bush. He put the GOP back in the white house. He is the only President in recent history to usher in a victory for his party during an off-cycle election. He helped carry the House and the Senate in 2002. He will further solidify the party in Nov of this year.

You say you have "always" been a republican. How many republican presidents have you voted for?
 
Longhorn85 said:
Why are you ashamed to admit what you are? Aren't you proud to be a liberal? I'm proud to be a conservative.
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Because I'm a registered Republican and have been for the last 29 years. I even voted for Bush in the last election. Bush and his administration has to go. I'm ashamed I even voted for him last time. I won't make the same mistake again this election. According to every "test" I've ever taken, I'm considered a moderate with Libertarian leanings.
 
Longhorn85 said:
If you like the republican party you should love Bush. He put the GOP back in the white house. He is the only President in recent history to usher in a victory for his party during an off-cycle election. He helped carry the House and the Senate in 2002. He will further solidify the party in Nov of this year.

You say you have "always" been a republican. How many republican presidents have you voted for?
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I generally like the Republican party. I think Bush is a total flaming idiot and cant' stand him. The rest of the reasons for liking him you've stated are so *yawn*

I've voted for every Republican for president in every presidential election for the last 29 years. This will be the first presidential election I WON'T vote Republican.
 
Longhorn85 said:
If you like the republican party you should love Bush. He put the GOP back in the white house. He is the only President in recent history to usher in a victory for his party during an off-cycle election. He helped carry the House and the Senate in 2002. He will further solidify the party in Nov of this year.
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See, unlike you, I don't view politics as black and white. I don't always vote for the Republican no matter who he is; there are Democrats I like and there are Republicans I like. I honestly don't give a damn if "our party" is "winning", in my opinion when one party controls all of government it is a bad thing. I'm just not a party blowhard like you are, my eyes are open to possibilities.

As for Bush, I voted for him back in 2000 because Gore is a tool. But I won't vote for him again, even though I despise Kerry. Why? Because Bush has had four years and has completely unimpressed me. Our deficit is out of control (after Clinton got it very under control), foreign opinion of the US is WAY down, Bush has yet to find WMD's or Bin Laden, we invaded Iraq (and with a shoddy battle plan no less) while Afghanistan only got lightly spanked and Saudi Arabia remains untouched (where were the terrorists from again?), the Patriot Act should have NEVER been passed, illegal immigrants pour into the US everyday from the south while our Canadian borders are tighter than ever.

Bush has been mediocre his whole life, and his term in office is no different. It's time to give someone else a chance, even a Democrat. If McCain was running I'd vote for him in a New York minute, but the only option I have to get Bush out is to vote for Kerry. I'm hoping that with a Republican government Kerry won't be able to do much damage in 4 years.
 
Longhorn85 said:
If you like the republican party you should love Bush. He put the GOP back in the white house. He is the only President in recent history to usher in a victory for his party during an off-cycle election. He helped carry the House and the Senate in 2002. He will further solidify the party in Nov of this year.
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woah.... your an idiot.

im a republican that voted for bush the first time.. and im disappointed.

so what he has done such great things for the (republican party) wow how special for me. :rolleyes:

i could give a shit about the GOP. i want my money spent in wise places, i want a leader who leads... who takes responcibility for his decisions and his mistakes... bush is incapable of takeing respocibility and thats what being concervitive is all about. takeing recponcibility for yourself.

he has failed as a president and a republican....who cares what hes done for the party itself... what has he done for me?

BO-DEN
 
Forge said:
See, unlike you, I don't view politics as black and white. I don't always vote for the Republican no matter who he is; there are Democrats I like and there are Republicans I like. I honestly don't give a damn if "our party" is "winning", in my opinion when one party controls all of government it is a bad thing.
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So why do you insist on calling yourself a republican? Why don't you (and sss) just admit that you are a fickle, wishy-washy, fair-weather voter with no real convictions who is easily swayed by popular opinion.
 
Longhorn85 said:
So why do you insist on calling yourself a republican? Why don't you (and sss) just admit that you are a fickle, wishy-washy, fair-weather voter with no real convictions who is easily swayed by popular opinion.
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Thats crap. Its possible that the man has convictions that just arent all situated in one party. If Tony Montana ran for president under the GOP ticket you would vote for him just because he has an (R) next to his name on TV? Thats just plain sad.

Lemme ask you this, what are your thoughts on Zell Miller? By your logic, the man is a disgusting disgrace, a fair-weather politican simply because these days he happens to agree with Bush more than Kerry.
 
Bush is a republican's republican.

In my book, anyone who would rather see a pro-abortion, pro-gun control, anti-defense, pro UN candidate who has ALREADY promised to raise taxes and has the NUMBER ONE liberal voting record over the last two decade in office is not a republican no matter what he thinks.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Bush is a republican's republican.

In my book, anyone who would rather see a pro-abortion, pro-gun control, anti-defense, pro UN candidate who has ALREADY promised to raise taxes and has the NUMBER ONE liberal voting record over the last two decade in office is not a republican no matter what he thinks.
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What about a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, anti-gun control, pro-defense, anti-UN guy who wants to lower taxes. Does this person fit into your black/white standards, or will the mere fact that a person like this exists throw the space-time continuum into distress and end all humanity?
 
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