Pre-Loading syringes

[ViperHMS]

Wow I was just on another board where people are considered dumb and idiots for preloading syringes.

I've been doing it for years and never had a problem with it and I know of many others that do the same. Its just easier for me to preload 10 or so syringes at one time than doing them each individually everytime im going to inject, especially for ED or EOD cycles.

How many of you preload syringes?? Ever had any problems with it?? Any infections???

Feel free to read and post your thoughts about what I read on preloading on another board, where after posting I was hit with negative karma and basically talked to like I am a complete idiot.

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[slidingbull]

if you haven't had any problems then consider your self luck ... just a thought if it was meant to be pre loaded, don't you think it would come that way at the hospital .the bottle is sterile, the longer it sits in a un sterile environment the more likely it is that bacteria will grow and could cause infection

 

[HAYEZ]

i agree with above...preloading i will not do unless it hcg...to risky to get na infection...why ruin a whole cycle over havign a abcess drained

 

[lookinfit75]

Well that was a fun read HAHA. I don't know man, I don't pre-load but I've been south of the border enough times to see the Organon stuff at the "Pharmacias" so there's gotta be something to it. Those syringes are glass though but the stopper is rubber and it can be argued that the main difference is that they are made in a sterile enviroment. If you're doing it and you haven't gotten sick, then like the old saying goes, if it aint broke why fix. You've got your big boy shoes on cowboy so dance HAHA!

 

[ViperHMS]

if you haven't had any problems then consider your self luck ... just a thought if it was meant to be pre loaded, don't you think it would come that way at the hospital .the bottle is sterile, the longer it sits in a un sterile environment the more likely it is that bacteria will grow and could cause infection

Ever heard of Redijects??? Its injectable Sustanon preloaded in a syringe.

How is gear sitting in a sterile syringe less sterile than being in a vial????

 

[misticat]

done it without any issues!

 

[lookinfit75]

...and the argument conitues I see. A cross-forum war is in the brew LOL. Just kidding guys, don't trip.

 

[ViperHMS]

...and the argument conitues i see. A cross-forum war is in the brew lol. Just kidding guys, don't trip.

lmao

 

[ViperHMS]

if you haven't had any problems then consider your self luck ... just a thought if it was meant to be pre loaded, don't you think it would come that way at the hospital .the bottle is sterile, the longer it sits in a un sterile environment the more likely it is that bacteria will grow and could cause infection

Oh I forgot to mention something back about the hospital. The reason you wouldnt see a bunch at the hospital preloaded is because doses for what they give out are not always the same, so how would a 1cc of 50mg of something work for someone that needed 75mg?? Being that doses are different from patient to patient multi dose vials are needed.

 

[ViperHMS]

Well that was a fun read HAHA. I don't know man, I don't pre-load but I've been south of the border enough times to see the Organon stuff at the "Pharmacias" so there's gotta be something to it. Those syringes are glass though but the stopper is rubber and it can be argued that the main difference is that they are made in a sterile enviroment. If you're doing it and you haven't gotten sick, then like the old saying goes, if it aint broke why fix. You've got your big boy shoes on cowboy so dance HAHA!

Been doing it for over five years and never had a problem. Like I said on the other board....It must be that I have some magical method of doing it that nobody else on the planet knows about that keeps my stuff sterile.

My big boy shoes are too small. I think there was a mix up?

 

[slidingbull]

You asked, I answered. It's seems like the only logical reason not to draw them up ahead of time is bacteria. Yes, there are certain medications that come pre-packed in the redijects, ie Lovenox. But like you said thats in a sterile environment and they are still sterile when you open them up and you are probably using them immediately so the likelihood for infection is probably slim to none.
I think that it has to do more with the fact that it's sitting around, once you've taken the syringe out of the packaging it is no longer sterile and your product is no longer in an air tight environment. But like the other person said, if it ain't broke why fix it.

 

[pip88]

I don’t see a problem with it but it can increase the risk of infection do to it not remaining sterile. I only pre-load when im going on a trip or something and I don’t take my gear setup on the plane. It is easier to just have 3 syringes ready than the bottle and draw needles.

I heard somewhere on this board they stay pretty sterile for up to 3 weeks. But I wouldn’t gamble with it I don’t want to get an infection so I draw every time I need to inject swabbing the rubber top with alcohol and the whole deal. But its your own choice.

Plus redijects are sterile and in a wrapper or have a seal on the needle. When you pre load a syringe you are exposing it to bacteria via the air or touch and I just minimize that by drawing every time.

 

[HAYEZ]

once you introduce that needle to the open air and stab it through that stopper its no longer sterile...the longer it sits the more of a chnce of infection ... ya may never have a problem...

 

[ViperHMS]

You asked, I answered. It's seems like the only logical reason not to draw them up ahead of time is bacteria. Yes, there are certain medications that come pre-packed in the redijects, ie Lovenox. But like you said thats in a sterile environment and they are still sterile when you open them up and you are probably using them immediately so the likelihood for infection is probably slim to none.
I think that it has to do more with the fact that it's sitting around, once you've taken the syringe out of the packaging it is no longer sterile and your product is no longer in an air tight environment. But like the other person said, if it ain't broke why fix it.

The point i'm trying to make is that everyone, including yourself, is saying once you take a syringe out of the package its no longer sterile, but I dont see how the inside of the syringe had become contaminated???? It comes out of the sterile package with a pin on the end of....at what point does the inside become unsterile???

The main thing i'm getting at is that things are still sterile, IMHO. Prior to removing the syringe w/needle from the syringe I wash my hands with anti-bacterial hand soap for no less than 30 seconds. I then open an alcohol swab and swab the top of the vial. I then open the packages of syringes with needles. I take 1 18g needle form its sterile package and insert it into the vial. I then take the sterile syringe w/needle and pull in 1 cc of air, take off the 23g pin that came with the needle and attach the syringe to the 18g needle in the vial. I inject the 1cc of air and withdraw 1cc of AAS. I then remove the syringe and reattach the 23g sterile pin that came with the syringe. Store said syringes w/needles in zip lock bag.

At what point do massive amounts of bacteria enter the equation???

 

[ViperHMS]

I see some of you mentioning AIR being in contact with the syringe or needle or etc.....Ok think logically about this. Before you take 1cc of whatever out of a vial what do you do??? You take 1cc of air from where ever you are and you put that into the vial! If the air is so contaminated, wouldnt you be contaminating your gear everytime you introduce outside air into the vial??? That would render the entire vial contaminated by that logic.

 

[slidingbull]

Sterile means free of all organisms especially microorganisms once something becomes open to air, AND it sits around it is no longer sterile and then bacteria starts to grow and multiply. The top of that vial is not sterile, it doesn't matter how much alcohol you rub on it. It is a proven that alcohol does not kill bacteria, but it is better to had wiped the top of your vial with the alcohol swab to remove as much bacteria as you can but it does not kill the bacteria. The handwashing thing is good too, but it is actually the friction that removes the bacteria not all the fancy soaps, handwashing for at least 15 seconds is acceptable. Once you take the 23g and set it down to draw up your solution with the 18g it is open to air and no longer sterile. So the least amount of time you keep your equipment open to air the more sterile it remains.

 

[ViperHMS]

Sterile means free of all organisms especially microorganisms once something becomes open to air, AND it sits around it is no longer sterile and then bacteria starts to grow and multiply. The top of that vial is not sterile, it doesn't matter how much alcohol you rub on it. It is a proven that alcohol does not kill bacteria, but it is better to had wiped the top of your vial with the alcohol swab to remove as much bacteria as you can but it does not kill the bacteria. The handwashing thing is good too, but it is actually the friction that removes the bacteria not all the fancy soaps, handwashing for at least 15 seconds is acceptable. Once you take the 23g and set it down to draw up your solution with the 18g it is open to air and no longer sterile. So the least amount of time you keep your equipment open to air the more sterile it remains.

Ok but what about the 1cc of air you just injected into your vial, thats going to sit around for 10 weeks for the entire time of your cycle???? And each week your pumping another cc of air in there. It should be super contaminated by the time you take that last cc out then right.

 

[slidingbull]

Technically if you're only drawing up 1cc it's not even necessary to inject air. You'll still be able to draw what you need without difficulty. Let me rephrase open to air, you are placing your equipment more than likely on a bathroom or kitchen countertop which is not sterile, in an OR they're equipment is on a sterile field keeping the chances of bacteria from coming in contact with their equipment very low. I guess it goes along with the same reason if you put your hands below waist level you've just broken sterile field. Who knows why it works but there's studies and proven fact out there that these techniques keep bacteria from invading. I'm definitely not arguing with you, I thought it could just share some insight.

 

[pip88]

when you inject air into a vial to get oil out that is a closed area and does not have circulating air for bacteria to grow that is why it is ok to inject air into your vial but if you just have that shit laying around open to the elements that is not ok that is how stuff starts to grow and fester.

 

[HAYEZ]

I see some of you mentioning AIR being in contact with the syringe or needle or etc.....Ok think logically about this. Before you take 1cc of whatever out of a vial what do you do??? You take 1cc of air from where ever you are and you put that into the vial! If the air is so contaminated, wouldnt you be contaminating your gear everytime you introduce outside air into the vial??? That would render the entire vial contaminated by that logic.

i have always though that was foolish...i have never injectd air into my vial..always seemed very odd when people did that

 

[pip88]

i have always though that was foolish...i have never injectd air into my vial..always seemed very odd when people did that

true i have had no need to do it, mine come out fine but some do it to pressurize the vial

 

[ViperHMS]

Technically if you're only drawing up 1cc it's not even necessary to inject air. You'll still be able to draw what you need without difficulty. Let me rephrase open to air, you are placing your equipment more than likely on a bathroom or kitchen countertop which is not sterile, in an OR they're equipment is on a sterile field keeping the chances of bacteria from coming in contact with their equipment very low. I guess it goes along with the same reason if you put your hands below waist level you've just broken sterile field. Who knows why it works but there's studies and proven fact out there that these techniques keep bacteria from invading. I'm definitely not arguing with you, I thought it could just share some insight.

If you have a 10cc vial eventually your going to have to put some air in there to get your stuff out of there. Anyway I really think everyone is really over thinking all of this and the "open air" causing bacteria everywhere. My preloaded syringe with pin do not sit in open air in unsanitary conditions. None of my stuff is ever in my bathroom or kitchen.

I dont think there is a insanely high risk of infection from preloading as I have done it as well as many others for years without a single infection. If things were so easy to become encased and unsterile then there would be a lot more people having issues with it.

Thanks for all your posts.

 

[NEO1]

Get pharm grade stuff and you'll understand why.

 

[OneBreath]

What about preloading via the back load? I did this for my last cycle with slin pins. I could draw 3 ccs of tren and then backload 6 slinpins with 1/2 cc each. I would then put them into a sealed ziplock bag and this would last 1 1/2 weeks. Then i would do it again to load up another 6 pokes.

I actually got this idea from one of the tren threads here about 4 months ago.