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silverbackn

silverbackn

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I started tren about 7 or 8 days ago and I can't sleep. I am taking the usual otc stuff that I always take and it does nothing. I got about 3 or 4 hours of sleep last night and I'm not even tired. I lay there all night wide awake. It's fucking horrible. I am trying to make the best of it by not getting pissed at night and just trying to relax and watch tv or read. The tren is all that has changed in my regime. I don't have night sweats I just can't sleep. Anyone else have this? What do you do?
 
Bro, i hear you...Nothing is worse than not being able to sleep and then for me...being hungary at the same time....honestly, a couple of nites when it got real bad, i would pop a couple gluc R and wash them down with some nitequil...it worked for me when i needed it..melitonin didn't help me..just made me hungry. i was also on tren 100mg ed...good luck bro
 
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Bro, i hear you...Nothing is worse than not being able to sleep and then for me...being hungary at the same time....honestly, a couple of nites when it got real bad, i would pop a couple gluc R and wash them down with some nitequil...it worked for me when i needed it..melitonin didn't help me..just made me hungry. i was also on tren 100mg ed...good luck bro
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I'm glad to hear that this is fairly normal. I am only running 37.5mg's a day. It's my first time using it. It does suck to lay there and be hungry and be wide awake. I kind of like the challenge, but it would be nice to get some solid sleep.
 
Bro..just that experience(being hungry & awake) was like a fuckin mental battle--that i won..thats how i thought of it..The amount of RESPECT that i give to competive BB's is HUGE...Just keep in your head--not everyone can do this..you are strong---and its going to be all worth it the day of the comp.!!!
 
silver if you can get your hands on some remeron not only does it coincidentally help with prolactin but it will make you sleep like a baby and its not addictive. tuxy is quite the wizard though he might be able to help you better
 
i ussually get ussed to it after a couple weeks or so....its really frustrating...i get pretty pissed when i toss and turn....just make sure u got a fan pointed on ya
 
onedieselboy said:
Bro..just that experience(being hungry & awake) was like a fuckin mental battle--that i won..thats how i thought of it..The amount of RESPECT that i give to competive BB's is HUGE...Just keep in your head--not everyone can do this..you are strong---and its going to be all worth it the day of the comp.!!!
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Thank bro! I appreciate the words of encouragement. I have much respect for competitive guys too. This is only my second show, but all it takes it doing it once to understand the suffering. I just gotta keep my eyes on the prize!
 
bicepts101 said:
i ussually get ussed to it after a couple weeks or so....its really frustrating...i get pretty pissed when i toss and turn....just make sure u got a fan pointed on ya
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I just layed there and tossed and turned all night. It seemed like when I did fall asleep it was very light and I woke up wide eyed everytime. It is definitely frustrating, I am trying to make the best of it, but I have a feeling that 3 weeks from now I will be killing puppies with my bare hands.
 
bruce410 said:
silver if you can get your hands on some remeron not only does it coincidentally help with prolactin but it will make you sleep like a baby and its not addictive. tuxy is quite the wizard though he might be able to help you better
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That sounds like some good stuff. Like I said I don't really feel bad yet, but I know after a week of not sleeping it will be a different story. Tux is my boy!
 
Hey bro im right with ya. I cant sleep all week and then i'll crash for like 15 hours on sat or sun night. Been like this for a month and a half for me. I keep leaving things on all around the house, stove, forman grill, fridge wide open. My mom thinks ive completely lost it.
 
Borg4902 said:
Hey bro im right with ya. I cant sleep all week and then i'll crash for like 15 hours on sat or sun night. Been like this for a month and a half for me. I keep leaving things on all around the house, stove, forman grill, fridge wide open. My mom thinks ive completely lost it.
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I have a feeling that's what is going to happen to me. The diet is enough to make you hazy by itself, you sure as hell don't need any help from lack of sleep! I feel stupid about half the time, I will walk into a room and have no idea why I am there.
 
yea if it keeps up like this ask the doc for some remeron, its not a sleeping pill, it just has the side effect of puttin you to sleep, its actually an anti depressant/anxiety i believe, it is a life saver for me when i can't sleep, man i hate not sleeping more than anything. good luck silver
 
bruce410 said:
yea if it keeps up like this ask the doc for some remeron, its not a sleeping pill, it just has the side effect of puttin you to sleep, its actually an anti depressant/anxiety i believe, it is a life saver for me when i can't sleep, man i hate not sleeping more than anything. good luck silver
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Thanks for the advice bro! Sound as always! I don't handle no sleep too well either. I need to be clicking on all cylinders to be at my best, I'm only 3 weeks out now. I'll keep you guys posted. Any more responses would be greatly appreciated!
 
Actually Remeron( mirtazapine) is almost an anti-psychotic, a severe anti-depression med, not an SSRI. Not too good for sleep. Oh it'll put you out, but you'll feel like a damn zombie all day long. I took that shit before, it was horrible! Zyprexa is in the same class, even worse! Trazadone is a possibility, but that requires a script, and that requires time and explanations you really don't want to give.
 
Yes nothing worse then not sleeping pre contest because of the risk of sickness. You can normally start sleeping again after a week or 2. But I know what tux it talking about and that is about the only answer. I have a script for ambien and that wont work.
 
damn i cant believe you felt groggy from remeron. i wake up fresh and clean everytime, ambien is the one that made me groggy. we're all different though
 
Lol, weird, ambien is a shorter half-life designed as a sleep-aid, never left me groggy. Remeron and Zyprexa turned me into a damn zombie though lol.
 
there was a similar thread back a month or so and same thing some kid i reccomended it too said it made him a zombie as well. i love it for the opposite reason, i'll tell you this when i was really bad insomnia wise i was given seroquel, now that made me feel like a zombie, remeron may not do it to me cause i am so wired up. it takes a lot to make me sleep thats why i'm feeling silver's pain
 
bruce410 said:
there was a similar thread back a month or so and same thing some kid i reccomended it too said it made him a zombie as well. i love it for the opposite reason, i'll tell you this when i was really bad insomnia wise i was given seroquel, now that made me feel like a zombie, remeron may not do it to me cause i am so wired up. it takes a lot to make me sleep thats why i'm feeling silver's pain
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This is pretty serious insomnia. I know what it like to be up from too many stimulants or just things on my mind, but this is totally different. I actually get up and turn the light on, almost like I'm trying to tell my body to not worry about sleep and then maybe I can relax. I am WIDE awake, I have never been like this before. I just don't want to crash.
 
remeron will require a script as well. you can usually get a trial pack of ambien though, thats what they did for me. sleep meds are tough bro. even if your groggy one day u need a solid nights rest imo
 
True! I can take enough stimulants to awaken someone from the dead, so I don't mind if I'm a little groggy when I wake up.
 
yea bro than hit the doc than if you can. he will give you something to sleep, tell him you haven't slept in a week and he'll decide what to give you. i wouldn't waste any more time personally
 
valium, xanax, or AMBIEN/REMERON you need to be knocked the fuck out for a night, i am a cunt hair away from sending you some sleep meds silver, get some sleep bro don't worry about poppin a few pills to sleep, ive had insomnia my whole life it only gets worse if you leave it
 
Thanks for the support guys. I am getting taken care of, getting some prescription stuff. I can't live like this. I don't know how anyone could survive being an insomniac, I don't think I would ever get used to it. My heart goes out to you Bruce, this shit is rough.
 
silverbackn said:
Thanks for the support guys. I am getting taken care of, getting some prescription stuff. I can't live like this. I don't know how anyone could survive being an insomniac, I don't think I would ever get used to it. My heart goes out to you Bruce, this shit is rough.
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I think this insomnia stuff must be the worse side out there. Sorry to hear u r hurtin over there man but good to hear u got some good meds. And hey, now that EF is back up, you got support 24/7. Just imagine is this started when they were down earlier this week? LOL
 
I was dying when Elite was down, I am elite dependant. I feel like I have friends on here, is that sad shit or what. Not many can relate to what I'm going through right now, you bro's can feel me though!
 
no cause the dudes on here are real and they don't lie, its my home away from home, never do i get pissed off when on here yet my fuse can go off if i am driving and it takes too slow, we all love the sauce here and we can relate to eachother unlike stupid narrow minded folk. get those meds bro. my insomnia sucks but its a past tense thing remeron is my saviour, always glad to help out a bro you like you silver
 
Thanks Bruce! I totally agree with what you are saying. This place seems to keep me sane at times when its tough to keep it together. Seems to keep me in a lighter mood. I look forward to getting some sleep!
 
I tried the extra strength tylenol pm without the tylenol. Didn't phase me. I don't think anything OTC will touch this problem.
 
silverbackn said:
I was dying when Elite was down, I am elite dependant. I feel like I have friends on here, is that sad shit or what. Not many can relate to what I'm going through right now, you bro's can feel me though!
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we love ya bro....i know exactly how u feel..there is not one person that i can talk to in person like i do here
 
Back at ya bro! I used to have a bunch of good friends at my last gym, we have recently all disbanded and I don't have that companionship except for on here now! Thank God for Elite and all the good bro's who make it what it is!
 
silverbackn said:
I tried the extra strength tylenol pm without the tylenol. Didn't phase me. I don't think anything OTC will touch this problem.
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yep bro....i always got the zaney bars(xanax) laying around for this exact reason....

i few weeks ago i couldnt sleep...it was like 930PM i had already been in bed for an hour tossing and turning. i didnt wanna take the xanax for an ego thing. next thing i know its fucking 230am and had to be up at 330 cause i had to be at work by 400am..,,,horrible fucking night......i think dbol was the culprit
 
silverbackn said:
Back at ya bro! I used to have a bunch of good friends at my last gym, we have recently all disbanded and I don't have that companionship except for on here now! Thank God for Elite and all the good bro's who make it what it is!
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Man I bet with this insomnia problem you are gonna set a "Elite Post Record" by 7 AM tomorrow.
 
I know what you mean about the tren silver. I'm on it right now, and I can see how it would seriously affect one's sleep. Luckily for me, I'm a sleep guru, and I have ways of shutting off my mind. It's harder on tren, but I still manage. My mind races at night when it's time to sleep, and if one has never had training or practice in mind control, it would be difficult to sleep on the stuff. I'm not an advocate of sleep meds, but whatever it takes bro. Sleep deprivation sucks!
 
I think it's the combo of the tren, the huge amounts of personal stress in my life, the low levels of seretonin due to dieting and the anticipation.
 
silverbackn said:
I think it's the combo of the tren, the huge amounts of personal stress in my life, the low levels of seretonin due to dieting and the anticipation.
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Ya that would do it. Do you meditate? Everytime I meditate, and I start to make good progress, my mind knows it's in trouble of being transcended and it tries to shut down into a deep sleep to keep me from going any further. When all else fails, I trick my mind into sleeping. That's what it gets for trying to keep me up....haha.
 
silverbackn said:
This is one thing that I don't know a damn thing about, completely clueless. I have never used anything.
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Well...something all natural to try is Beverly International's ZMA. It works for a helluva a lot of my friends who are comp BB's and then people who just have sleep problems. I've had trouble sleeping all my life and I have to tell you this worked. I was amazed. Nothin to lose - no script needed. Take care.

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krishna said:
Ya that would do it. Do you meditate? Everytime I meditate, and I start to make good progress, my mind knows it's in trouble of being transcended and it tries to shut down into a deep sleep to keep me from going any further. When all else fails, I trick my mind into sleeping. That's what it gets for trying to keep me up....haha.
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bro i have no idea what u r talking about..LMAO
 
Meditation works for me. It's an under-utilized tool I think more BB'S should be using. ZMA seems to help attain a deeper sleep, but I don't think it helps you fall asleep. And on another note, I used sleeping aides(ambien) and they make me f'n groggy the next day. Silver, practice some meditation if you find time. I know schedule is probably full right now. Good luck on the competition. Where are the picks?
 
silverbackn said:
I think it's the combo of the tren, the huge amounts of personal stress in my life, the low levels of seretonin due to dieting and the anticipation.
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Holy shit do I feel you Silver. This is also my second show bro and the tren is making me crazy. I sleep for like an hour and then I wake up for an hour ....... Add sleep deprevation to the other stresses in our lives right now and holy shit I think I'm going to snap! But then I remember that we are in a class by ourselves (BBers), only a selected few can manage what we go through on a daily basis. Keep your eye on the prize bro and remeber your competition is going through the same thing. Come the day of the show we'll see who talk's a big game and who actually backs it up! :evil:
 
Slydog said:
Holy shit do I feel you Silver. This is also my second show bro and the tren is making me crazy. I sleep for like an hour and then I wake up for an hour ....... Add sleep deprevation to the other stresses in our lives right now and holy shit I think I'm going to snap! But then I remember that we are in a class by ourselves (BBers), only a selected few can manage what we go through on a daily basis. Keep your eye on the prize bro and remeber your competition is going through the same thing. Come the day of the show we'll see who talk's a big game and who actually backs it up! :evil:
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That got me fired up! That's what I like to hear. It is definitely something most can't fathom. Hell, I do it and sometimes I can't believe it.
 
silverbackn said:
That got me fired up! That's what I like to hear. It is definitely something most can't fathom. Hell, I do it and sometimes I can't believe it.
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if i dont sleep, even on gear, i get almost nowhere and so im forced to take sleep meds.
 
markshark said:
if i dont sleep, even on gear, i get almost nowhere and so im forced to take sleep meds.
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This is the first time I have ever had this from any gear. It is brutal. Last night I fell asleep at 4 instead of 6, so that's some improvement. I felt more relaxed, wasn't quite as anxious as I layed there sleepless.
 
silverbackn said:
This is the first time I have ever had this from any gear. It is brutal. Last night I fell asleep at 4 instead of 6, so that's some improvement. I felt more relaxed, wasn't quite as anxious as I layed there sleepless.
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from what ive heard though that when youre on tren it offsets a lot of the catabolism from lack of sleep anyway, so just hang in there, its just a matter of will power.
 
markshark said:
from what ive heard though that when youre on tren it offsets a lot of the catabolism from lack of sleep anyway, so just hang in there, its just a matter of will power.
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That's what is so strange, I still feel pretty good and I haven't lost any weight. I am still holding 225 but getting harder every day.
 
Ah yea, and hopefully you'll be know were near my ass on stage. Couse I still need to drop about 20, if not ill be standin next to you. So you'd better not push me off stage or anything when im not lookin. lol
 
Borg4902 said:
Ah yea, and hopefully you'll be know were near my ass on stage. Couse I still need to drop about 20, if not ill be standin next to you. So you'd better not push me off stage or anything when im not lookin. lol
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You gotta watch me! I'm tricky like that. I hope to be around 215 on stage.
 
dont know if it helps but I found tren sides lessen after about a month of being on.. the first 3-4 weeks are the worst, then the nightsweats and insomnia fade out
 
For me the night-sweats faded away after the first 2 runs or so with tren overall. The insomnia NEVER goes away for me though. I think it depends more on if you're prone to it. I'm highly prone to severe insomnia anyway, I've had to have scripts for sleep-aids since I was 18 and was taken off 4 years of heavy anti-seizure meds. After that, I rarely sleep without some kind of heavy medication.
 
Sleep has finally arrived. So have a few higher carb days. I was 228 a minute ago after going up to 400 yesterday and 350 today. I probably won't peak out on weight until tomorrow, but I have definitely filled back up. Everything is popping and I'm very vascular. I feel a ton better too. I am exactly 2 weeks out to the day from the Arkansas. I halfway thought about trying to squeeze in as a superheavy, but I don't know if I can pull that off. I am stoked though!
 
silverbackn said:
I started tren about 7 or 8 days ago and I can't sleep. I am taking the usual otc stuff that I always take and it does nothing. I got about 3 or 4 hours of sleep last night and I'm not even tired. I lay there all night wide awake. It's fucking horrible. I am trying to make the best of it by not getting pissed at night and just trying to relax and watch tv or read. The tren is all that has changed in my regime. I don't have night sweats I just can't sleep. Anyone else have this? What do you do?
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I had to get a script for Ambien, and it worked like a charm.
 
silverbackn said:
It feels awesome to be able to go to sleep again, I never even remember getting tired, it's just lights out.
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Man thats awesome. I bet it just feels so good to finally sleep! Glad to hear you fixed the problem man. I like drugs. :D
 
wayneboard1 said:
Man thats awesome. I bet it just feels so good to finally sleep! Glad to hear you fixed the problem man. I like drugs. :D
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I will never take sleep for granted again I will tell you that much! I just lost the love of my life too, so it is definitely saving my life right now.
 
silverbackn said:
I will never take sleep for granted again I will tell you that much! I just lost the love of my life too, so it is definitely saving my life right now.
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well damm bro that sucks. I guess sleep was the least or your worries huh? Hope it all works out for the best man, PM me if you want/need to vent.
 
wayneboard1 said:
well damm bro that sucks. I guess sleep was the least or your worries huh? Hope it all works out for the best man, PM me if you want/need to vent.
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Thanks bro! That means a lot. It is out of my hands so I am trying not to let it consume me. I gotta work on improving myself and getting all of my loose ends taken care of. I am trying to stay positive as much as possible. Your support helps!
 
silverbackn said:
Thanks bro! That means a lot. It is out of my hands so I am trying not to let it consume me. I gotta work on improving myself and getting all of my loose ends taken care of. I am trying to stay positive as much as possible. Your support helps!
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I'm sorry to hear that man! Same thing happened to me a while back. It was a rough time for awhile. You've got the right idea...just stay focused on moving forward and improving yourself.

That shit always seems to happen to the best people...
 
mendo said:
I'm sorry to hear that man! Same thing happened to me a while back. It was a rough time for awhile. You've got the right idea...just stay focused on moving forward and improving yourself.

That shit always seems to happen to the best people...
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Yeah man it does and ALWAYS at the worst possible time ya know? Oh well, men and women work things out somehow.......I hope.
 
GHB is the ticket.

Stay away from trazadone, seroquel, remeron, etc. They all have horrific side effects.

Neurontin can help with the agitation, and in the beginning can make you sleepy. Lyrica, the stronger precursor to gabapentin (Neurontin), is also effective for the first few weeks. Tolerance (that BITCH) sets in though and you will need something stronger (...GHB...GHB...GHB...).
 
I just wanted to thank everyone for all the input and support on this thread! I am 12 days out right now, the anticipation is starting to get me amped up. I am still at 225 and the next two days are higher carb days, I am anxioius to see where they put me. I know when I carb deplete I will get dialed in, then come the carbies and life is good! I will get pics up as soon as possible (unless I look like shit, he he). It's getting crunch time, now is when the fun starts! All of your positive comments and support mean a ton, you guys who compete know exactly what I am talking about. I am very grateful!
 
Good luck bro, I'm glad you finally got some sleep! I know what it feels like to lose something so wonderful at the worst possible time, I'm proud of you for being strong enough to make it through. Just think how much stronger you'll be having survived this!
 
Tux said:
Good luck bro, I'm glad you finally got some sleep! I know what it feels like to lose something so wonderful at the worst possible time, I'm proud of you for being strong enough to make it through. Just think how much stronger you'll be having survived this!
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Thanks Tux! Your support has been and continues to be a great help. At times it's hard to breathe. It was love at first sight, never felt that before. It's hard to move on, but I am trying to stay strong and positive. I don't want to waste my life worrying about something I can't control. Thanks again brother! I don't have the words.
 
yeah i take it as well, 1.5mg at night with my remeron. the klons help me stay asleep. glad to hear your sleeping bro. good luck i am looking forward to seeing your pics 225 5% right? should be putting many people to shame
 
bruce410 said:
yeah i take it as well, 1.5mg at night with my remeron. the klons help me stay asleep. glad to hear your sleeping bro. good luck i am looking forward to seeing your pics 225 5% right? should be putting many people to shame
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I'm having a higher carb day right now and I'm thinking I'm blowing up, I stepped on the scale and I was 222. Tears. I think I might need to up the carbs for a few more days. When I deplete I will disappear, gotta stay full until then!
 
bruce410 said:
your a maniac bro. mad props for that kind of discipline. what weight are you aiming for
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Thanks dog, I appreciate it! I think I will up my carbs even more tomorrow. I would like to be around 215 on-stage after my carb up and water depletion. That last few days is tricky though.
 
hang in there bro, you've definitely got some awesome determination to be able to pull through this with all of the stuff you've been dealing with... good luck out there!
 
You guys are awesome! Your words of encouragement really help! This has definitely been a tough week. I am staying positive as much as possible and trying to keep my head up. It will get better. I have found a deeper belief in myself and a deeper resolve. I have found a spiritual strength that seems to take the edges off of the unbearable. Part of the empowerment of it is doing what you can with what you have, but at the same time not worrying about the things you can't control. Just keep grinding and keep smiling!
 
i can't wait till i can live those words i let too much shit that i can't control bother me,
 
It is the best feeling in the world! If you do all that you can do you have no remorse and you won't second guess yourself. If it is out of your hands you just have to let it go and believe that it will work out as it's meant to. It's tough at first, because you always want to fix everything, but you eventually realize that you become self-destructive from beating your head against a wall. It doesn't mean that you won't hurt over things, you just have to have faith.
 
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Seeing you make it through this only strengthens MY determination to keep going in the face of hard times bro. Seeing how well you're handling it will make it easier for me if/when I have to face times like yours in the future. Props to you bro, and good luck onstage, I expect you to lay down a total ass-whoopin' in the name of the Penguin God!! :D

P.S. Next summer I'll step on-stage and deliver an ass-whoopin' in YOUR name! ;)
 
Tux said:
Seeing you make it through this only strengthens MY determination to keep going in the face of hard times bro. Seeing how well you're handling it will make it easier for me if/when I have to face times like yours in the future. Props to you bro, and good luck onstage, I expect you to lay down a total ass-whoopin' in the name of the Penguin God!! :D

P.S. Next summer I'll step on-stage and deliver an ass-whoopin' in YOUR name! ;)
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That gives me so much strength! You guys truly don't know what it means, I have lost the love of my life, and I just told my dad that I don't want him in my life anymore because he was speaking to me with no respect and had become so negative. I don't really feel like myself right now, but somehow I am still grinding on! I guess faith is keeping me together.
 
silverbackn said:
That gives me so much strength! You guys truly don't know what it means, I have lost the love of my life, and I just told my dad that I don't want him in my life anymore because he was speaking to me with no respect and had become so negative. I don't really feel like myself right now, but somehow I am still grinding on! I guess faith is keeping me together.
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Silver, you may think some of us our inspirations or great help, but the way I see it, you are the one that is inspiring. All that dedication you have to continue on is immeasurable. I've never competed but know enough about it to say it truly is a grueling and a dedicating process. I wish I had a small% of your will power!!!! You, my friend, are the inspiration around here and don't forget it. :Chef:
 
chefbone said:
Silver, you may think some of us our inspirations or great help, but the way I see it, you are the one that is inspiring. All that dedication you have to continue on is immeasurable. I've never competed but know enough about it to say it truly is a grueling and a dedicating process. I wish I had a small% of your will power!!!! You, my friend, are the inspiration around here and don't forget it. :Chef:
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.....I don't have the words
 
silverbackn said:
.....I don't have the words
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You don't need to have them, Broham. Go out there and do your best at showing the competition that you are.... SILVERBACKN :)
 
head up bro, overcoming the difficulties life throws at you makes you a better man.. you should post some photos, sounds like you're in sick condition already
 
Thanks again guys! Today has maybe been the hardest day of my life. I have probably cried 15 times. I was working out with tears running down my face. I have to keep going though. Today has definitely tested my will to live, but I am not gonna give up. I will get through this and brighter days will come. One second I will be fine, the next I will be overwhelmed with crushing pain. I will keep fighting. I have so much to be thankful for and so many things to be positive about, but when you're in the eye of the storm it can be so hard to keep things in perspective.
 
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