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Golfer18--old
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Never heard of that.
tripleV said:
Smoking pot does not turn into estrogen...........No way no how.........Smoking pot while on roids in my opinion is a great combo. It does not affect the liver and will also keep you calm and relaxd. Especially while your the test in your body is so high while on gear and tends to cause anxiety pot will help keep you calm......and also relieve stress build up.
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Frank_Sepe
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You guys are a bunch of fucking junkies....... Jesus Christ...
So much for the Fitness LifeStyle, like I live..........
So much for the Fitness LifeStyle, like I live..........
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billyjsmith
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its a fuckinjoke huh sepe?
junkie wtf?
I grind up my pot in a coffee grinder and boil it up in a spoon and then bang it. But, in case you were wondering, most of the time you just have to toke it a little bit (maybe two puffs or so), the whole IV thing just isn't worth it for pot. Actually, I know a whole lot of suicidal, homicidal, rage filled, paranoid, people on pot. They mostly lay around and watch TV, laugh for stupid reasons, and eat junk food. Dangerous lot -- those pot heads.
I grind up my pot in a coffee grinder and boil it up in a spoon and then bang it. But, in case you were wondering, most of the time you just have to toke it a little bit (maybe two puffs or so), the whole IV thing just isn't worth it for pot. Actually, I know a whole lot of suicidal, homicidal, rage filled, paranoid, people on pot. They mostly lay around and watch TV, laugh for stupid reasons, and eat junk food. Dangerous lot -- those pot heads.
nautica
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I will try to find the article. But I also read that smoking week will tilt the estrogen/testosterone balance in a negative way.
also, read that much like alcohol if smoked during puberty it causes gyno, which would make since, given my first statement.
Nautica
I guess I will just stick with high grade pharmacuticals.
also, read that much like alcohol if smoked during puberty it causes gyno, which would make since, given my first statement.
Nautica
I guess I will just stick with high grade pharmacuticals.
oneandthesame
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I don't think a little will hurt you/just don't over do it, myself maybe a couple hits every 2 months or so.
well from ur responses, i decided to do a lil investigaitng myself and found some stuff:
Published 4/22/97) Enlarged breasts are a common problem among men, but most ignore it. An article in Forbes magazine a couple of years ago said that as many as one in two male adolescents experience some abnormal breast-tissue growth, as do one third of adult men. The article noted that 4,000 men in the United States have breast reduction surgery every year.
The scientific name for enlarged male breasts is gynecomastia. It results from an imbalance between estrogens and androgens in your body, which causes the mammary tissue to grow. Sometimes breasts in men build up because of excess fat, but that doesn't seem to fit your situation.
There could be a variety of causes for your case. First, do you smoke marijuana or drink alcohol regularly? Both could increase your breast size through hormonal mechanisms. (THC in marijuana is a phytoestrogen; some men's bodies mistake it for a stronger estrogen.) If you stop smoking pot and drinking, the breast tissue should return to normal. Other drugs that the body interprets as estrogens or may convert to estrogen include some antibiotics, asthma treatments such as theophylline, ulcer drugs like Tagamet, and antidepressants. Men who take testosterone to beef up their muscle mass may also end up adding to their breast tissue. Try to get off any such medications and see if the condition improves. A report in the New England Journal of Medicine calculated that about 10 to 20 percent of cases of enlarged breasts in men are caused by medications or use of recreational drugs.
A full 25 percent of cases of gynecomastia result from the hormonal surges that occur during puberty, so enlarged breasts may be normal in adolescence. Teenagers may also feel some breast tenderness; that's normal, too.
In most situations, gynecomastia resolves itself within a year. Rarely - in about 3 percent of cases - the growth can indicate some type of cancer. Testicular, lung, liver, kidney, or adrenal tumors may secrete estrogen. Also, breast growth could signal the presence of a tumor in the breast itself. Male breast cancer tends to be highly aggressive. Men should be aware that they are not immune to breast cancer and should get immediate check-ups if they note lumps or thickening in the tissue around the nipples.
Endocrine disorders or cancer are the least common causes of gynecomastia. But just in case, if you don't think drugs or alcohol could have triggered the changes in your body, I'd suggest visiting an endocrinologist and getting your hormone levels checked.
taken from : http://www.drweil.com/drw/app/cda/drw_cda.php?command=TodayQA&pt=Question&questionId=3978
Published 4/22/97) Enlarged breasts are a common problem among men, but most ignore it. An article in Forbes magazine a couple of years ago said that as many as one in two male adolescents experience some abnormal breast-tissue growth, as do one third of adult men. The article noted that 4,000 men in the United States have breast reduction surgery every year.
The scientific name for enlarged male breasts is gynecomastia. It results from an imbalance between estrogens and androgens in your body, which causes the mammary tissue to grow. Sometimes breasts in men build up because of excess fat, but that doesn't seem to fit your situation.
There could be a variety of causes for your case. First, do you smoke marijuana or drink alcohol regularly? Both could increase your breast size through hormonal mechanisms. (THC in marijuana is a phytoestrogen; some men's bodies mistake it for a stronger estrogen.) If you stop smoking pot and drinking, the breast tissue should return to normal. Other drugs that the body interprets as estrogens or may convert to estrogen include some antibiotics, asthma treatments such as theophylline, ulcer drugs like Tagamet, and antidepressants. Men who take testosterone to beef up their muscle mass may also end up adding to their breast tissue. Try to get off any such medications and see if the condition improves. A report in the New England Journal of Medicine calculated that about 10 to 20 percent of cases of enlarged breasts in men are caused by medications or use of recreational drugs.
A full 25 percent of cases of gynecomastia result from the hormonal surges that occur during puberty, so enlarged breasts may be normal in adolescence. Teenagers may also feel some breast tenderness; that's normal, too.
In most situations, gynecomastia resolves itself within a year. Rarely - in about 3 percent of cases - the growth can indicate some type of cancer. Testicular, lung, liver, kidney, or adrenal tumors may secrete estrogen. Also, breast growth could signal the presence of a tumor in the breast itself. Male breast cancer tends to be highly aggressive. Men should be aware that they are not immune to breast cancer and should get immediate check-ups if they note lumps or thickening in the tissue around the nipples.
Endocrine disorders or cancer are the least common causes of gynecomastia. But just in case, if you don't think drugs or alcohol could have triggered the changes in your body, I'd suggest visiting an endocrinologist and getting your hormone levels checked.
taken from : http://www.drweil.com/drw/app/cda/drw_cda.php?command=TodayQA&pt=Question&questionId=3978
GYNECOMASTIA - Written by BiggAlex
Gynecomastia, Gyno, bitch tits, or what ever you would like to call it, is something that concerns every male using or thinking of using anabolic steroids. Gyno is a benign enlargement of the male breast tissue. The work gynecomastia comes from the Greek words gyne, meaning woman, and mastos, meaning breast. Up to 65% of all reported cases of gyno are naturally occurring. If there is a family history of gyno it will usually show up during the hormonal changes of puberty, that is if it ever shows up at all. However, not all cases of gyno are naturally occurring. While there are many drugs that can cause gyno anabolic steroids seem to be the number culprit. When an athlete subjects his body to synthetic hormones they undergo a process called aromatization. This process changes portions of the male hormone into estradiol, an female hormone. Now that there are excess amounts of female hormones floating around in the steroid user's body he may begin to notice some feminizing side effects. These side effects include fatty deposits, water retention, and gyno. However, this does not mean that everyone should automatically begin the intake of Nolvadex when on a cycle of steroids. Not everyone will experience these feminizing side effects. This is due to the fact that everyone's sensitivity to the female hormone estradiol is of a different magnitude. Some people could experience feminizing side effects on as little as 10mg of dbol/day while others will not have any problems while using 2 grams of test/week.
On a more positive note there are a number of drugs that can help prevent gyno. Then most popular of the street drugs is novladex simply because it is cheap, easy to find, and it works. When needed 10mg of novladex a day is usually a sufficient amount. You should always keep in mind that antiestrogens can be a double edged sword. While they do help control the feminizing effects of steroids they will also cut into the effectiveness of a cycle. Some estradiol is needed along with the male hormones in the building of muscle tissue. If you are using an antiestrogen there will not be much estrodiol available to your body and your cycle will not be as effective for packing on the pounds. For this reason novladex should only be used when needed. You can usually tell when you should begin the use of novladex if you feel soreness in your nipples, itching around the nipple, a small bump under your nipple (which means they gyno is already there), and/or if there is a clear discharge coming from your nipples.
While there are a few ways to prevent gyno there is only one way to get rid of it, surgery. There are methods of surgery where a small incision is made at the border of the nipple and the glandular tissue is removed. Liposuction is then used to shape and define the chest muscles. This procedure leaves almost no visible evidence of the surgery. Moderate exercise is possible 2 weeks after the surgery and a full recovery is expected within 4-6 weeks. This surgery usually is not covered by insurance because it is viewed as cosmetic surgery. However, if you can convince your doctor that you are in extreme pain and discomfort he might agree to write a letter to your insurance company explaining the situation. If this is done there is a chance that the insurance company will cover the cost of the surgery, although you should make sure that nothing about the use of steroids is said in the letter. To make sure your surgery leaves a very descrete mark and not some big embarrassing scar which ruins your chest, you should look into someone such as Dr. Nadler. You can visit his web page, www.drnadler.com , call him 1-800-445-0505, or e-mail him at [email protected].
Here is a list of possible things that can cause gyno:
marijuana
valium(diazepam)
amphetamine
aldomet
cimetidine
digitalis
spironolactone
androgens
estrogens
isoniazid
phenothiazines
tricyclic antidepressants
cytotoxic drugs
obesity
taken from : http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/4992/hk07972.html
Gynecomastia, Gyno, bitch tits, or what ever you would like to call it, is something that concerns every male using or thinking of using anabolic steroids. Gyno is a benign enlargement of the male breast tissue. The work gynecomastia comes from the Greek words gyne, meaning woman, and mastos, meaning breast. Up to 65% of all reported cases of gyno are naturally occurring. If there is a family history of gyno it will usually show up during the hormonal changes of puberty, that is if it ever shows up at all. However, not all cases of gyno are naturally occurring. While there are many drugs that can cause gyno anabolic steroids seem to be the number culprit. When an athlete subjects his body to synthetic hormones they undergo a process called aromatization. This process changes portions of the male hormone into estradiol, an female hormone. Now that there are excess amounts of female hormones floating around in the steroid user's body he may begin to notice some feminizing side effects. These side effects include fatty deposits, water retention, and gyno. However, this does not mean that everyone should automatically begin the intake of Nolvadex when on a cycle of steroids. Not everyone will experience these feminizing side effects. This is due to the fact that everyone's sensitivity to the female hormone estradiol is of a different magnitude. Some people could experience feminizing side effects on as little as 10mg of dbol/day while others will not have any problems while using 2 grams of test/week.
On a more positive note there are a number of drugs that can help prevent gyno. Then most popular of the street drugs is novladex simply because it is cheap, easy to find, and it works. When needed 10mg of novladex a day is usually a sufficient amount. You should always keep in mind that antiestrogens can be a double edged sword. While they do help control the feminizing effects of steroids they will also cut into the effectiveness of a cycle. Some estradiol is needed along with the male hormones in the building of muscle tissue. If you are using an antiestrogen there will not be much estrodiol available to your body and your cycle will not be as effective for packing on the pounds. For this reason novladex should only be used when needed. You can usually tell when you should begin the use of novladex if you feel soreness in your nipples, itching around the nipple, a small bump under your nipple (which means they gyno is already there), and/or if there is a clear discharge coming from your nipples.
While there are a few ways to prevent gyno there is only one way to get rid of it, surgery. There are methods of surgery where a small incision is made at the border of the nipple and the glandular tissue is removed. Liposuction is then used to shape and define the chest muscles. This procedure leaves almost no visible evidence of the surgery. Moderate exercise is possible 2 weeks after the surgery and a full recovery is expected within 4-6 weeks. This surgery usually is not covered by insurance because it is viewed as cosmetic surgery. However, if you can convince your doctor that you are in extreme pain and discomfort he might agree to write a letter to your insurance company explaining the situation. If this is done there is a chance that the insurance company will cover the cost of the surgery, although you should make sure that nothing about the use of steroids is said in the letter. To make sure your surgery leaves a very descrete mark and not some big embarrassing scar which ruins your chest, you should look into someone such as Dr. Nadler. You can visit his web page, www.drnadler.com , call him 1-800-445-0505, or e-mail him at [email protected].
Here is a list of possible things that can cause gyno:
marijuana
valium(diazepam)
amphetamine
aldomet
cimetidine
digitalis
spironolactone
androgens
estrogens
isoniazid
phenothiazines
tricyclic antidepressants
cytotoxic drugs
obesity
taken from : http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/4992/hk07972.html
rippedtrojan
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dankduke said:
u not from hawaii are u?
tripleV said:
i smoke weed every fucking day...... it doesnt give gyno.... actually my nips are sore, but im on 150mg of anadrol a day and 750mg test a week..... weed helps me relax and get more sleep after a hard workout.. i really dont think it has affected my body in any way.. its fucked with my head and mind though.. damn memory....
I think the reason gyno is associated with pot is because THC will supress your natural test production which we all know in turn increases estrogen production leading to gyno. I know first hand because way before I got into AS I was a big pot-head and developed a slight case of gyno from smoking-I have since pulled back on smoking (once in awhile) but a friend of mine was and still is a big pot head and he has gyno from the test supression. Now the gyno developed over a peroid of many years and allot of pot. Not like AS where it will develop within the length of a cycle.
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rippedtrojan
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haxedout said:
damn it ripped.. u beat me to 500 posts.. u ass..lol
hehe, and now i get a cool avatar too!
