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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I suggest that you try these products yourself and give us feedback on your experience. I also encourage you to run a log and look at some of the others who are running logs on Ntbm products. There will be a few people running new logs on some of Ntbm products in the near future. And remember that if you don't feel that these products did what they were supposed to you can get your money back. Ntbm is one of the few companies that stand behind their products with a money back guarantee. You have nothing to lose except your pre conceived notions that these products aren't effective. I've used them myself for the past couple years and continue to use them. I'm currently using hcgenerate, unleashed, n2guard, ntkts, wheytobuild, and n2slin during my tren, test, and mast run. I wouldn't recommend anything that I myself wouldn't personally use.
