Post Cycle Tricks...

[marshallmadman]

After following a well planned out PCT program, do any of you have any other tricks up your sleeves? I have heard of megadosing Vitamin C on both sides of your workout, and taking certain herbal Post-Cycle concoctions. Obviously, everyone wants to make the most of their on cycle gains. Perhaps we can all throw around some ideas that will help everyone willing to experiment keep a couple extra pounds of muscle after every cycle. Not to mention the fact that I'm about to come off...

 

[Xtream]

After following a well planned out PCT program, do any of you have any other tricks up your sleeves? I have heard of megadosing Vitamin C on both sides of your workout, and taking certain herbal Post-Cycle concoctions. Obviously, everyone wants to make the most of their on cycle gains. Perhaps we can all throw around some ideas that will help everyone willing to experiment keep a couple extra pounds of muscle after every cycle. Not to mention the fact that I'm about to come off...

extremly good/clean diet. don't fall off. Thats a given.

 

[marshallmadman]

extremly good/clean diet. don't fall off. Thats a given.

No doubt. Anyone out there got any love for running Creatine post-cycle?

 

[v shape]

Creatine/glutamine peptides is a must for me post cycle.

 

[lawnsaver]

Maca, Avena Sativa, and Long Jax from BAC helps with libido.

Diet, Creatine, Gut Peptides do wonders too!

 

[alltraps]

dont let your training intensity fall. keep it up, and keep your cals up. i really believe that training is the key. its hard mentatly to go in and pound the weight like you did while on, but its important. the muscles need to know that they are still needed.

 

[bw1]

dont let your training intensity fall. keep it up, and keep your cals up. i really believe that training is the key. its hard mentatly to go in and pound the weight like you did while on, but its important. the muscles need to know that they are still needed.

Good advise here!

 

[slat1]

I always use HCG during and Clomid after. My diet is very strict too. The only thing I lose after a cycle is a couple of lbs of water. Generally, I keep all my strength too!
Not sure if this is just me or if happens this way for everyone that eats clean and uses good PCT

 

[fugetaboutit]

No doubt. Anyone out there got any love for running Creatine post-cycle?

Love creatine post-cycle! Plus, I take an ECA stack and that keeps my intenisty at the gym the same as when I'm on. I am now 4 weeks off cycle and lost about 10lbs of water, BUT, my strength hasn't suffered one bit. It's all still there. Love it.

 

[Slyder190]

HCG during your cycle and Clomid/Nolva PC is a given. MACA and Avena Sativa may be helpful, if you have the extra cash to put out. A good creatine product is also a good idea. I can't say I'd call Glutamine a must, even the peptides. But if you can afford it, it couldn't hurt.

 

[lawnsaver]

dont let your training intensity fall. keep it up, and keep your cals up. i really believe that training is the key. its hard mentatly to go in and pound the weight like you did while on, but its important. the muscles need to know that they are still needed.

I couldnt disagree more....

When you come off and you are trying to recover, you a in a fragile state.

The first thing you want to do is lower your training intensity. Still get to the gym, but lower weight and reps.

You do not want to go into a catabolic state. Post cycle it is too easy to over train, as your test levels are low.

Increase your protien intake!

Increasing your training intensity or keeping it the same can cause huge problems.

 

[alltraps]

I couldnt disagree more....

When you come off and you are trying to recover, you a in a fragile state.

The first thing you want to do is lower your training intensity. Still get to the gym, but lower weight and reps.

You do not want to go into a catabolic state. Post cycle it is too easy to over train, as your test levels are low.

Increase your protien intake!

Increasing your training intensity or keeping it the same can cause huge problems.

if your intensity is decreased, you WILL lose muscle mass. i didnt say keep the same volume, i said keep the same intensity. big difference. you go to the gym doing pussy workouts with girl weights, you;ll look like a girl in no time, and with all the extra estrogen in you, you;ll cry like one too.

 

[TraxZBT]

keep cals above BMR to hold onto new muscle.

 

[Slyder190]

if your intensity is decreased, you WILL lose muscle mass. i didnt say keep the same volume, i said keep the same intensity. big difference. you go to the gym doing pussy workouts with girl weights, you;ll look like a girl in no time, and with all the extra estrogen in you, you;ll cry like one too.

Agreed. Cut the volume for sure, unless you use low volume all the time. Why purposely work out like you're losing size or strength, when you may not be and may not have to.

 

[lawnsaver]

if your intensity is decreased, you WILL lose muscle mass. i didnt say keep the same volume, i said keep the same intensity. big difference. you go to the gym doing pussy workouts with girl weights, you;ll look like a girl in no time, and with all the extra estrogen in you, you;ll cry like one too.

I'm not sure where the estrogen comment comes from, but I think its a little more involved then you make it seem.

Intensity I guess has many interpretations....

You should cut down on weight and on sets. You just have to feel it out.
You are much more likely to lose muscle by catabolism than lack of use.

 

[testbaby25]

disagrree with lawnsaver...thats probthe worst idea. If you cut your traning short or arent intense youll loose mass, simple. For me I keep it just like i was on cycle and loose nothing, that along with the same diet

 

[lawnsaver]

disagrree with lawnsaver...thats probthe worst idea. If you cut your traning short or arent intense youll loose mass, simple. For me I keep it just like i was on cycle and loose nothing, that along with the same diet

Lets not turn this into a flame contest...

I am not saying stop training....

I am saying you should not train at the same level as if you were on a cycle.

Its truely common sense. How in the world can your muscle repair themselves with a tremendous decrease in protein synthesis, natural test, and an increase in estrogen??

They cant, which is why catbolism can cause tremendous damage to newly formed muscle.

You can counter act some of it by increasing protien intake since the rate at which its synthesized at is lowered.

Yes, I am stating my opinion, but it is actually based on my experience an the experience of others, not to mention the input from many doctors who frequent these boards.

It just doesnt make sense to tell someone to train harder or the same as when he is on a cycle. Its just not healthy.

 

[alltraps]

again, from personal experience, i HAVE TO keep my intensity up, and try to lift as heavy as possible to maintain anything post cycle. i wont do 12 sets to failure like when i am on, but i will do 8 sets, 6 being to failure. i dont care what anyone says, if you drop your poundages on purpose, you will lose size and strenght. coming off usualy means that you get weaker due to the hormonal changes, so why would you decrease the weight from that? it doesnt make sence. I train smart and intence, not hard and long.

 

[Destroyer1986*]

Does anybody here just use nolva for there PCT at 40mg for the first week and 20mg for 2 weeks after that?

 

[lawnsaver]

When I say drop the weight, this is only during the recovery period. The time when you are in the most danger.

The advice I am giving is not for the entire time you are off, its for the time in which you are recovering, which is probably 4-6 weeks. After that lift as much as you can.

Its the transition period, where your HPTA is recovering that I am speaking about.

Sorry if there was any confussion.

 

[alltraps]

no confusion at all. i believe its in those first 4-6 weeks when you need to give it all you got, and then fuck around after that.

 

[shortstack]

another great example of the number# 1 fundamental rule----- EVERYONE IS DIFFRENT, YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU. and i think this applies to everything, pct, the cycles, the workouts, everything.

 

[fugetaboutit]

another great example of the number# 1 fundamental rule----- EVERYONE IS DIFFRENT, YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU. and i think this applies to everything, pct, the cycles, the workouts, everything.

I agree! Can we get someone in the medical field to shed
some scientific evidence to light? Just so we know and stop
speculating.

 

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I couldnt disagree more....

When you come off and you are trying to recover, you a in a fragile state.

The first thing you want to do is lower your training intensity. Still get to the gym, but lower weight and reps.

You do not want to go into a catabolic state. Post cycle it is too easy to over train, as your test levels are low.

Increase your protien intake!

Increasing your training intensity or keeping it the same can cause huge problems.

I agree with you if we are talking about the time during your pct, not after you pct. The time directly after your pct is a VERY catabolic time, that is why you are taking drugs/supps to counteract it. Hardcore training while on pct could throw you into catabolic overdrive. Not when you are fully recovered, I say balls to the wall again bro.