Post cycle therapy...

[The_Ghost]

This was in an aritcle on T-mag this week.




When it comes to maintaining gains, what you do at the end of your cycle is most crucial. First, we have to find a way to restore endogenous Testosterone production while fighting the catabolic effects of being in a hypogonadal state (which is the end result of sudden cessation of steroids).

It's been demonstrated in normal, healthy young men that suppression of endogenous Testosterone production leads to a marked decrease in muscle mass and an increase in fat mass, and this is the reason why we experience the "loss of gains" after cessation of use in addition to the "shitty" feeling in general. It has nothing to do with the body having a mind of its own and dictating exactly how much muscle mass it will and will not allow you to have. (18)

So, what do we do? Simple, we must first get T levels up to normal, while at the same time not suppressing endogenous Testosterone production. How can this be accomplished? Well, the best choice is Androgel since its pharmacokinetic properties allow for an increase in Testosterone yet no suppression of LH and endogenous Testosterone production.

The next best thing would be to use around 100 mg of Testosterone enanthate weekly as the peak seen is still very close to remaining within the physiological range. (19) In addition to this, you should be taking 50 to 100 mg/day of clomiphene so that you can restore endogenous Testosterone production quickly and thus wean yourself off of the Androgel




so does anyone have opinions on this?

 

[needsize]

I've heard this too, I cant see how 100mg of test would let you recover your HPTA but I do like the idea

 

[The_Ghost]

I've heard this too, I cant see how 100mg of test would let you recover your HPTA but I do like the idea

Well I might just be trying this as I don't have HCG so I will see how it goes.


I will run 100 Enan and my clomid for 3 weeks.

 

[Triple J]

IMHO if you are on the enanthate there is no way you will regain your natural function, perhaps the Androgel will allow some return of function due to its circadian pattern.

 

[The_Ghost]

I have considered using just the clomid. This was my plan all along until I started reading more and more about being shutdown.

The things is that I have had no shrinkage well and and am wondering if I probably will be good with just clomid.

 

[baby_bbol]

Before I got injured last year I had been on over a year straight cycle, which totally shut me down and when I could not get the wife pregnant it ways time to get off. make long story short the doctor told me that the body releases about 12mg of testoterone/day into the blood stream.

I would assume by using 100mg enanthate would still surpress/shutdown your natural system once the clomid was out of your system.

If your goal is to get your system back to normal and be off, use the clomid only if you cant get HCG, worked for me.

 

[M56M]

Androgel??

What is Androgel? and is it legal or illegal? if it is illegal what is the street value for it?

Fonz a while back posted something on post cycle recovery of HPTA and it seemed very good, it consisted of anavar in the AM, Clomid, Arimidex, DNP(becuase of the after affect on it), and something else, i will try and search for it.

NeedSize knows what i am talking about. BTW, thanks for the help.

M56M

 

[bigdelt69]

I cant really see the logic behind using 100mg of enanthate to recover your htpa. Fonz had a good thread about the dboll bridge.

If you did use enanthate post cycle there would be many peaks and valleys in blood levels. Prop would be better.

 

[FLmuscles]

Before I got injured last year I had been on over a year straight cycle, which totally shut me down and when I could not get the wife pregnant it ways time to get off. make long story short the doctor told me that the body releases about 12mg of testoterone/day into the blood stream.

I would assume by using 100mg enanthate would still surpress/shutdown your natural system once the clomid was out of your system.

If your goal is to get your system back to normal and be off, use the clomid only if you cant get HCG, worked for me.

Good points here. I can't see how your balls are going to come back to life while your still pumping test. into you. Do the CLomid, and if you don't have HCG, then add a test-booster, like Tribulus or one of those stacks like that. They do help to stimulate test. production, and although it won't compare to HCG, it couldn't hurt!

 

[Nelson Montana]

I saw that article and it pissed me off -- the reason being, Cy Wilson (who I think is about 20 years old) stole the title and the concept of my 1998 T-Mag article "Steroids For Health" and used it for his own.

Be that as it may, from what I read, I can say in all honesty Wilson is as clueless as everyone else over at T-Mag.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I saw that article and it pissed me off -- the reason being, Cy Wilson (who I think is about 20 years old) stole the title and the concept of my 1998 T-Mag article "Steroids For Health" and used it for his own.

Be that as it may, from what I read, I can say in all honesty Wilson is as clueless as everyone else over at T-Mag.