Possible cycle

[infraredline]

Thinking about doing either halodrol or epistane for a lean bulker
-22
-5,5
-202
-10-12% bf
-4655 calories a day (40g protein, 70g carbs, 25g of fats 7x per day)
-Train 6 days per week 1 semi off day (Mon: bis an tris, tues: off day with abs, wed: squat, stiff leg deadlift & single leg press, thurs: chest, fri: shoulders, sat: back with deadlifts, sun: leg ext, walking lunges, leg curl & sissy squats)
-2 8 week ostarine cycles under my belt

Epistane:
1-4 20 or 30mg ed (not sure if 20mg would be effective but I go by the less is more principle so if it isn't too low I'll do the 20mg)
1-4 organ shield by purus labs
Pct:
5-8 clomid 25mg ed
5-8 formastanzol
5-8 forged post cycle
5-8 unleashed
5-8 d-aspartic acid
5-13 ostarine 15mg ed
5-13 kynoselen

Or

Halodrol:
1-6 50/50/50/75/75/75
1-6 organ shield by purus labs
Pct:
7-10 clomid 25mg ed
7-10 formastanzol
7-10 forged post cycle
7-10 unleashed
7-10 d-aspartic acid
7-15 ostarine 15mg ed
7-15 kynoselen

Opinions, criticism, advice are appreciated

 

[Idobehigh]

Just finished a helladrol cycle check my log gained 12lbs while losing some bf if you run hella I would start at 50 I felt nothing even at 75 I ran 75/100/100/100/125/125

 

[infraredline]

Just finished a helladrol cycle check my log gained 12lbs while losing some bf if you run hella I would start at 50 I felt nothing even at 75 I ran 75/100/100/100/125/125

Thanks for the response I'll take a look at it, in your opinion would you use the epi or halo?

 

[dylangemelli]

Thinking about doing either halodrol or epistane for a lean bulker
-22
-5,5
-202
-10-12% bf
-4655 calories a day (40g protein, 70g carbs, 25g of fats 7x per day)
-Train 6 days per week 1 semi off day (Mon: bis an tris, tues: off day with abs, wed: squat, stiff leg deadlift & single leg press, thurs: chest, fri: shoulders, sat: back with deadlifts, sun: leg ext, walking lunges, leg curl & sissy squats)
-2 8 week ostarine cycles under my belt

Epistane:
1-4 20 or 30mg ed (not sure if 20mg would be effective but I go by the less is more principle so if it isn't too low I'll do the 20mg)
1-4 organ shield by purus labs
Pct:
5-8 clomid 25mg ed
5-8 formastanzol
5-8 forged post cycle
5-8 unleashed
5-8 d-aspartic acid
5-13 ostarine 15mg ed
5-13 kynoselen

Or

Halodrol:
1-6 50/50/50/75/75/75
1-6 organ shield by purus labs
Pct:
7-10 clomid 25mg ed
7-10 formastanzol
7-10 forged post cycle
7-10 unleashed
7-10 d-aspartic acid
7-15 ostarine 15mg ed
7-15 kynoselen

Opinions, criticism, advice are appreciated

Its good to be conservative but both of your cycle layouts are far too conservative on the dosing... If you do run epi, then run it 6 weeks as well...

I would go with helladrol... Just as much in the gains department and a lot less sides... Epi will dry out your joints more and cause a lot more shutdown and is definitely more toxic and I don't think it warrants the risk vs. reward in comparison to helladrol... Its not that horrible on sides but just going on comparison between the two... Running helladrol at 50 is a waste... start at 75 and assess... 75/75/75/100/100/125 is a nice way to run it...

 

[Idobehigh]

I would go with helladrol 1-6 weeks and I ran it like I said before in another post the sweet spot was 125 for me I wish I would of started at 100 not 75 and I know everyone isn't the same but I experienced achy joints on helladrol I would get a joint supp just In case

 

[infraredline]

Understood, thank you everyone for your input

 

[RickRock13]

I would hardly call 4700 cals a day with 500g carbs, and 175g of fat a "lean bulker" for someone that is 200lbs. You need to cut those down if you want to keep it lean bro. Otherwise you will gain a lot of fat on that diet.

 

[dylangemelli]

I would hardly call 4700 cals a day with 500g carbs, and 175g of fat a "lean bulker" for someone that is 200lbs. You need to cut those down if you want to keep it lean bro. Otherwise you will gain a lot of fat on that diet.

very very good point... I overlooked that but that is most definitely not any sort of lean at all... I know the age is young but that does not make up for the macros here...

 

[infraredline]

very very good point... I overlooked that but that is most definitely not any sort of lean at all... I know the age is young but that does not make up for the macros here...

I guess I wasn't very clear, I have been eating that much for roughly 4-5 weeks now and my body fat has stayed in the 10-12% range, body fat has actually decreased slightly believe it or not since I upped my fats and lowered my carbs but even with this many calories I'm not gaining bodyfat. My body just needs me to pound down calories at this point to maintain the size i have and continue to put it on as well.