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Possible 1st Cycle, Appreciate some advice.

Izzman

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Hey all, Thing is I've thought about this for awhile now (Ive researched alot and am aware of the potential sides) and I feel I am ready for the real deal. All I care about is lifting and thats all that runs through my mind, improving my body and the next tme I'm gonna be at the gym repping away, simply put, it's my life. Now I've done a couple of PH cycles and I figure instead of doing those cycle after cycle, I can just go for the real stuff and get much better gains instead for less. I've gotten to the point where I dont really see good gains anymore and I want to get to that next level (I hope to compete someday in the future) and achieve new ground. Heres a little about me:

Years Training: 1 and 1/2 Religiously (4 years on/off)
Age: 21
Height: 6'0, BF 14%
Weight: 185, Bulking, Hope to get to 205/210, Best was 207 Lbs.
I pay close attention to my diet and I have a sound nutrition plan, I consume 250g-300g of protein a day & about 3-4K cals daily.

Now on to the main point, since this would be my first cycle, Ive read that Test would be a great choice as a base for a beginner, though was unsure on whether 500mg of Sust 250 or 500mg Ethanate would be the better choice. Should I just go with Ethanate since Test is basically Test and the ethanate will maintain levels longer? Isn't Sust a bit safer PCT wise? Also I am aware of the need for PCT and recovery and question I had was, reportedly Nolvadex is more effective for PCT than clomid and can be used during cycle to inhibit gyno is signs appear, so is Nolva alone for recovery sufficient? Should PCT be a combo of the two? Is HCG really needed for test alone?

Thats pretty much all I have to say, I dont plan on take any pills due to liver damage and plan to keep it injectable only. So anyone have any feedback? Thanks and sorry about all the questions.


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search for this guy dragon14 and look at his first cycle and the gains he made, very impressive!!

chaquito
 
I searched him up and saw his cycle, not bad. Dont you think I could make slightly better gains if I took 500mg/week of Test run for about 10 weeks? Also anyone have any advice from my first post?
 
test 500/wk sounds good. Test is test doesn't much matter. Sust is fun for 1st cycle, as the prop kick is fun. Enan or cyp or suspension all good too, it really doesn't matter. Keep nolva or arimidex on hand, but you probably won't need any anti-e's at 500 (most don't). Try nelson's ideas for post cycle, as at 500 all that other crap (clomid) is unnecessary. At your age, you could bounce back from 500 by yourself (I do at 40 :) ). Have fun, and good luck. And you definitely need to eat, you are real light for 6' but you body fat shows good work :) My 2 cents. Others will chime in with 40 compounds and 10 ancillaries, and you can go there if you want, but at least consider keeping it simple once before you jump on the complicated bandwagon.
Also, it's good to get some blood work. Doctors can be obstinate in getting what you need, even if you are honest (they are not well-educated on AAS often). A good trick is to go to an occupational medicine clinic and tell them (at your age) that you are either starting a small handyman business or organize your local wrestling team at the college and need drug tests, cholesterol panel and test levels for Department of Transportation or Collegiate rules purposes to lower insurance liability. Tell them you will send people periodically for this and get an account, this is routine stuff people do day to day, and you can get the labs you need to make sure you are healthy. Other posts will tell you what those are and how often to get them.
Peace
 
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Thanks so much Majutsu!

bigsonrising said:
C'Mon, add some DBol....
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Lol, I don't want to bloat up like a balloon, Im on creatine as it is, Im hoping I can get more muscle gain than fat/water on test alone. Also, I am pretty sure Im prone to hairloss (my hair has gotten thinner), and I tend to shed even on PH's. How would I combat this effectively? Should I get some rogaine 5% and rogaine shampoo? How about something like propecia/ and something doesnt require a prescription? Thanks for all.
 
Personally I think the single ester is the better choice. I love sus, but only when doing at least a shot EOD will you see the benefit of the short chain esters.
I would throw in some d-bol, test d-bol is a great stack.
 
Another example of how bad advice gets parroted.

Where is the logic of test being good for a first timer come from? Test is powerful. A first timer could do well on 300 mgs of primo. Or a couple of d-bol a day. I know this isn't a popular stance, but that's how I feel about it. Build up every cycle and keep it exciting. If you start with test, it's like fucking Pamala Anderson the first time you have sex.


(Okay, maybe that was a real bad analogy.)
 
Izzman said:
Hey all, Thing is I've thought about this for awhile now (Ive researched alot and am aware of the potential sides) and I feel I am ready for the real deal. All I care about is lifting and thats all that runs through my mind, improving my body and the next tme I'm gonna be at the gym repping away, simply put, it's my life. Now I've done a couple of PH cycles and I figure instead of doing those cycle after cycle, I can just go for the real stuff and get much better gains instead for less. I've gotten to the point where I dont really see good gains anymore and I want to get to that next level (I hope to compete someday in the future) and achieve new ground. Heres a little about me:

Years Training: 1 and 1/2 Religiously (4 years on/off)
Age: 21
Height: 6'0, BF 14%
Weight: 185, Bulking, Hope to get to 205/210, Best was 207 Lbs.
I pay close attention to my diet and I have a sound nutrition plan, I consume 250g-300g of protein a day & about 3-4K cals daily.

Now on to the main point, since this would be my first cycle, Ive read that Test would be a great choice as a base for a beginner, though was unsure on whether 500mg of Sust 250 or 500mg Ethanate would be the better choice. Should I just go with Ethanate since Test is basically Test and the ethanate will maintain levels longer? Isn't Sust a bit safer PCT wise? Also I am aware of the need for PCT and recovery and question I had was, reportedly Nolvadex is more effective for PCT than clomid and can be used during cycle to inhibit gyno is signs appear, so is Nolva alone for recovery sufficient? Should PCT be a combo of the two? Is HCG really needed for test alone?

Thats pretty much all I have to say, I dont plan on take any pills due to liver damage and plan to keep it injectable only. So anyone have any feedback? Thanks and sorry about all the questions.


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Well, I'd say you are a-okay to begin juicing, some may disagree, but I do not.

You should go with 500mg's Enanthate -- you are correct in that your blood levels will stay more level.

Either way 500 mg's of Enathate, or 500mg's of Sust is gonna shut you down just as much. I use a combo of both clomid and nolva for post-cycle therapy (along with a few other things).

You should have nolva on hand in case you get gyno symptoms.

I don't think HCG will be necesary, although it can't hurt to try it.

One thing to add. 14% is a tad high, so I would try and keep this bulking cycle a clean bulker aka. lean mass cycle.
 
Izzman said:


Does finasteride work that good? and can it be bought w/o a prescrip?
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Well MPB runs in my family and I still have all my hair. You need a perscription but I doubt many if any doctors would refuse you.

Nelson I son't neccesarily disagree that an effective anabolic at moderate doses might be a better first cycle then an androgen at moderate doses. But you want to talk bad advice, reccommending someone use one of the most expensive drugs which is most extensively faked at three amps a week is bad advice IMO. The chances of him finding real Primo are slim. Test's major side effects can be controlled through ancilliaries, it's inexpensive and easily obtainable. Oh yeah, it's quite effective as well.
 
Nelson Montana said:
If you start with test, it's like fucking Pamala Anderson the first time you have sex.


(Okay, maybe that was a real bad analogy.)
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Are you encouraging or discouraging test then? :D Yeah he could do primo, but it's expensive, easily faked so that you often are just running test anyway, and somewhat harder to find in America than pharmaceutical grade test. He would have to dig a little deeper into a steroid black market too. He's made a choice to use AAS supplementation; all agree deca sucks, primo tricky in practice though great in theory, so any test will give him a good steroid experience, with nice gains and a good time, without a huge financial or criminal-social outlay. Sust, lotsa protein powder, and nolva could be a rational good cycle with good recovery at his age for cheap and easy.

As to hair loss, I got no tips. Baldness inherited from mother's side, so look at your mom's brothers (your uncles) for the mirror to the future. I started going bald at 18 :( two years before I started a cycle at 20. I'm 40 now, and hair loss is not a factor in any cycle as I have no hair :( Propecia etc weren't around yet to slow it down either. BUT lots of my friends did test cycles in the 80's at the old-fashioned crazy doses and still have a full head of hair, so it's certainly possible to minimize hair loss. If you are interested in competing, hair loss not so essential as practically shaving the head is common for everyone anyone to make the body look biggest. Does primo have hair loss nelson? -- I think I've heard this debated alot.
 
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I personally agree with the start out easy and work your way up to higher levels if necessary. Reading all the posts you'll see that everyone reacts so differently. Start out with modest doses and get a feel for it.

Unfortunetely I don't agree with using primo as your starting point because it is so often faked. I did my research and on paper primo is an excellant choice for someone starting out. So I forked out something like $750 for 400mg/wk for 8 weeks. Guess what, all fake. I am sure that there are good sources but if you are like me you don't know them so stay away until you do. Primo is expensive and often faked. A bad combo.
 
That's true (unfortunately) about the Primo. And for that matter, most d-bol and var is faked too.

The best bet is start with a conservative dose and work your way up. So the analogy would be, it's like having sex with a girl with small tits. You're just appreciative that you're having sex, but after a while you want big titties.

(Okay, another bad example. I just wanted to stay in the same gear=sex vein.)
 
Nelson Montana said:
That's true (unfortunately) about the Primo. And for that matter, most d-bol and var is faked too.

The best bet is start with a conservative dose and work your way up. So the analogy would be, it's like having sex with a girl with small tits. You're just appreciative that you're having sex, but after a while you want big titties.

(Okay, another bad example. I just wanted to stay in the same gear=sex vein.)
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LOL. Interesting analogy.

Vake primo and var are in abunance thats for sure. I wouldn't say that most dbol is faked though.:o
 
Hehehehe... Nelson you crack me up...

The second analogy wasn't too too bad though... :)
 
Since this is your first cycle and you are already over 200 lbs, I sugguest you go with sust 500mg / week for 10 weeks. You don't have near the bloating problem with sust as you do with enanthate or cypionate. Btw, sust is in your system for 15-18 days, enanthate is in for 10.5 days.
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:
Since this is your first cycle and you are already over 200 lbs, I sugguest you go with sust 500mg / week for 10 weeks. You don't have near the bloating problem with sust as you do with enanthate or cypionate. Btw, sust is in your system for 15-18 days, enanthate is in for 10.5 days.
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What do people have to say about this? Accurate? I though the Ethan was longer acting in the body than sust thus requiring one or two shots at most weekly?
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:
Since this is your first cycle and you are already over 200 lbs, I sugguest you go with sust 500mg / week for 10 weeks. You don't have near the bloating problem with sust as you do with enanthate or cypionate. Btw, sust is in your system for 15-18 days, enanthate is in for 10.5 days.
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he's not over 200lbs. anyways i would go with either 400mg of eq alone for 10-12 weeks or test 250mg-500mg a week for 10-12. lotta protien, good training and rest and your golden, goodluck. eq was the first injectable i used after one dbol only cycle and i gained 11 lbs and kept pretty much all of it, used alone btw. just something to think about
 
Nelson Montana said:
So the analogy would be, it's like having sex with a girl with small tits.
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I`m gonna let the girl with the small titties take my aas cherry !!!
46 yrs. old, 5' 10", 180 lbs., 12% bf Been lifting consistently for 20 years. Reached genetic cap over a decade ago. Testoprim - D (200 enan, 50 prop) 1 amp a week for 3 weeks, 4 weeks at most. My logic....proceed with caution.....see where it takes me...... make "minor" adjustments with future cycles....keep Pam`s phone number handy..........

P.S.
Besides...I`m a bonifide leggman.....small titties / no problem :)
 
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