Police beating in Irvine CA

[bigschweeler]

The punch was excessive.

However, I understand why the cop did it. That doesn't make it right however.

I'm all for the police exercising necessary force, but they shouldn't be happy or proud when they have to.

 

[Lao Tzu]

What will be interesting is whether or not the officer ever had a history of excessive force in the past.

I just saw on the news that the officer who slammed & punched him was already being investigated for being part of a group of cops who beat a suspect into a coma 3 months ago.

 

[danielson]

I just saw on the news that the officer who slammed & punched him was already being investigated for being part of a group of cops who beat a suspect into a coma 3 months ago.

ahhh, fills you with confidence doesnt it

in that a cop beat a guy into a coma and is still on active duty

slaps some kid around and is suspended

 

[The Almighty]

perception? you mean, reality? Read any history book and you'll find that just over 30 years ago African-Americans were still being beaten down in the streets and were being denied admission into many of our nation's universities.

Moreover, read, any recent newspaper and you'll find polls where African-Americans overwhelmingly allege that they have been the victims of racial profiling. Browse through any federal court reporter and you'll find an abundance of cases where both juries and appeals courts have agreed that African-Americans have been the target of invidious discrimination.

This has to be one of your most ignorant statements yet...and judging by your previous posts that is saying quite a lot.

Read any history book and you'll find that just over 30 years ago African-Americans were still being beaten down in the streets and were being denied admission into many of our nation's universities.

That was, as you said, more than 3 decades ago. Get with the times. In todays country, it is practically impossible to make any decisions based on race due to people like "The World's Most Racist Man" himself, Jesse Jackson.

Moreover, read, any recent newspaper and you'll find polls where African-Americans overwhelmingly allege that they have been the victims of racial profiling.

These polls prove absolutely nothing at all. You would have to be braindead to fail to realize that many minorities claim to have been discriminated against every time something doesnt go their way. I have been discriminated against by members of other races and cultures, but you dont see me whining and bitching while trying to get something simply because Im caucasian.

 

[Code]

For the love of GOD, the guy didn't even get hit hard!!!

They calling it assault with a deadly weapon because he tossed him onto the car.

The media is over reacting and so are a lot of people on this board.

I could see the outrage if the cop wound up and slugged the dude.

Pussies.

 

[the nature boy]

how about I punch you in the face not very hard and you tell me how you like it?

 

[RyanH]

This has to be one of your most ignorant statements yet...and judging by your previous posts that is saying quite a lot.



That was, as you said, more than 3 decades ago. Get with the times. In todays country, it is practically impossible to make any decisions based on race due to people like "The World's Most Racist Man" himself, Jesse Jackson.



These polls prove absolutely nothing at all. You would have to be braindead to fail to realize that many minorities claim to have been discriminated against every time something doesnt go their way. I have been discriminated against by members of other races and cultures, but you dont see me whining and bitching while trying to get something simply because Im caucasian.

As always, you've offered absolutely nothing to support your contentions. Whereas, I will be more than happy to pull a few among thousands of ACTUAL court cases where African-Americans have been deemed to be the targets of individous discrimination by your peers----jurors. I suppose your peers lie also, right?

 

[Code]

how about I punch you in the face not very hard and you tell me how you like it?

I'd be fully acceptable to being punched if I was dumb enough to resist arrest *and* assault a police officer.

In fact, I'd expect to get hammered a hell of a lot harder than that kid did.

It's easy to be tough and threatening over the internet. So I'll forgive your belligerent and incompetant raving.

 

[the nature boy]

idiot, I was trying to prove a point and not threaten you.

 

[Code]

idiot, I was trying to prove a point and not threaten you.

I fully comprehended your point, but it's irrelevent. The punch was not hard. The media and people like you are acting like the kid was hospitalized.

 

[danielson]

I'd be fully acceptable to being punched if I was dumb enough to resist arrest *and* assault a police officer.

In fact, I'd expect to get hammered a hell of a lot harder than that kid did.

It's easy to be tough and threatening over the internet. So I'll forgive your belligerent and incompetant raving.

im sure you know it wasnt meant as a threat but as a rhetorical question



at the end of the day, it was unnecessary violence. they had him subdued. the carhood slam might be understood, the punch just frustration. had he not already out someone into a coma he probably would have been back on patrol once the furore had died down

 

[RyanH]

For purposes of breaking the law, an offensive touching or contact is impermissible period. The law does not distinguish between whether the punch is hard or soft. A battery is a battery.

And, this officer committed a battery---a criminal act.

 

[The Almighty]

As always, you've offered absolutely nothing to support your contentions. Whereas, I will be more than happy to pull a few among thousands of ACTUAL court cases where African-Americans have been deemed to be the targets of individous discrimination by your peers----jurors. I suppose your peers lie also, right?

If you had read my post, you would have noticed that I said that these cases or testimonies, whatever you choose to call them, really offer no proof, only personal opinion. I stated that many will claim to have been discriminated against simply to get something to go their way.

 

[the nature boy]

I fully comprehended your point, but it's irrelevent. The punch was not hard. The media and people like you are acting like the kid was hospitalized.

yeah okay, tell me where I said he was hospitalized. I don't think so.

I thought they all did fine until the kid was punched is all. And this was a grown man punching some kid, who was restrained. maybe grown men punching kids who are restrained is okay where you're from, but it's not okay with me. it only takes a little more effort to hit someone harder with a punch. if his fellow officers didn't restrain him who knows what he'd do.

 

[Code]

The kid is a moron for resisting and assaulting them. Maybe next time he'll think twice before trying hurt someone protecting the public from people like him.

If it prevents him from being an idiot in the future, then it was well worth it.

 

[the nature boy]

dude, the kid is a moron. he has a learning disability.

 

[RyanH]

kids with learning disabilities need love too.

 

[Code]

dude, the kid is a moron. he has a learning disability.

So mentally disabled people have the right to assault cops?

 

[the nature boy]

did I say that? where do you get these statements from?

 

[RyanH]

Code, you and Warik often sound a lot alike. You sure the two of you haven't been hanging out on the side? heh heh.

 

[HappyScrappy]

I can't entirely blame the cop. I too was under the assumption that day that it was "beat a mentally challenged person" day.
I suppose we all make mistakes.

 

[Code]

Code, you and Warik often sound a lot alike. You sure the two of you haven't been hanging out on the side? heh heh.

LOL!

We conservatives have to stick together.

 

[KA-BAR]

I think that little bitch deserved to get punched in the face. He assulted a police officer from what ive read so I think he got off easy. He hardly had any marks on him at all. He should have been worked over a bit but like other said they should have done it back at the station. I also think when punk bitches run from police officers they should be allowed to put a bullet in the back of the punks head.

 

[Natymike]

As always, you've offered absolutely nothing to support your contentions. Whereas, I will be more than happy to pull a few among thousands of ACTUAL court cases where African-Americans have been deemed to be the targets of individous discrimination by your peers----jurors. I suppose your peers lie also, right?

For every case that has proven discrimination, there are 100 cases claiming discrimination that were thrown out.

Its an easy defense for anyone, just claim discrimination, you need no proof, just a bunch of assumptions.

 

[CN1]

first of all the title of the post says it all: Police Beating in Irvine

second: The fuckin incident occurred in INGLEWOOD, get it right, Irvine is nowhere near LA and sure the fuck isnt INGLEWOOD, LA

The cops are...........no..........the kid is gonna be rich as hell, and the officers axed from their jobs, no question about it, bro the kid is 16 years old!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chesty its INGLEWOOD, get it right

 

[Code]

first of all the title of the post says it all: Police Beating in Irvine

second: The fuckin incident occurred in INGLEWOOD, get it right, Irvine is nowhere near LA and sure the fuck isnt INGLEWOOD, LA

The cops are...........no..........the kid is gonna be rich as hell, and the officers axed from their jobs, no question about it, bro the kid is 16 years old!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chesty its INGLEWOOD, get it right

*Holds up bottle of muscle relaxers*

Forget to take some medcine today??

 

[Y_lifter]

Has anyone else noticed that None of the EF ladies have posted/reponded anywhere in this 7 page thread?

Is it that they don't care or are they sitting back laughing at us and how Stupid Men can be in their anger ....

 

[chesty]

I really don't give a shit whether it was inglewood or salt lake city, I typed this topic in about 2 mintues just to get it up and going at work. So why don't you back off you maroon.

Second, if the cop has a history of excessive force then they should investigate, but so far, everyone is quick to convict without a fair trial.

Hey RyanH you are such a defender of the accused. Why aren't you defending this cops rights of fair trial, innocent till proven guilty, civil rights etc.

We don't know what happened, prior to the video, but if it had been me and I had been struck to the point of bleeding, that kid would have been in a real hurt locker. Only difference is it would have been prior to being cuffed.

 

[casavant]

I also think when punk bitches run from police officers they should be allowed to put a bullet in the back of the punks head.

Please.

Think about what you're saying for a minute.

 

[Burning_Inside]

I think that little bitch deserved to get punched in the face. He assulted a police officer from what ive read so I think he got off easy. He hardly had any marks on him at all. He should have been worked over a bit but like other said they should have done it back at the station. I also think when punk bitches run from police officers they should be allowed to put a bullet in the back of the punks head.

"OOHWAAA! OOGGHOOWAAHH!!"

 

[WODIN]

This is a stupid dumbass cop that will cost the taxpayers $10million in a settlement.

I saw it and thought...fuckin kid just hit the lottery!

LMAO...

 

[the nature boy]

yeah well we really don't know what the kid did either, and chesty here is saying we should wait to find out what really happened so shouldn't we wait till we know what the retarded kid did, if anything?

After all, cops are above making stories up, right?

 

[2EZ2BRICH]

does not make a difference what happened before. the kid was handcuffed and Slammed onto the hood of the police vehicle. he was not a threat at this time...end of story. he then received a sucker punch to the head..all while being surrounded by 5 cops, with guns, batons and mase.

clearly a case of abuse. they should have kept the cuffs off, then beat the shit out of him. the kid will get millions, the cop will be fired. Maxine Waters is speaking out about what has happened here. this cop does not have a chance, then again, neither did the Kid.......end of story.

 

[the nature boy]

maxine walters is a nut.

but the cop may have an opening if he loses his in court. the mayor of the town has been talking all this shit about the cop being guilty, and that right there is basis for an appeal.

 

[Code]

does not make a difference what happened before. the kid was handcuffed and Slammed onto the hood of the police vehicle. he was not a threat at this time...end of story. he then received a sucker punch to the head..all while being surrounded by 5 cops, with guns, batons and mase.

clearly a case of abuse. they should have kept the cuffs off, then beat the shit out of him. the kid will get millions, the cop will be fired. Maxine Waters is speaking out about what has happened here. this cop does not have a chance, then again, neither did the Kid.......end of story.

King got 10 million. And he was hospitalized.

This kid will get (maybe) a million and waste it on sneakers, CDs and two new cars.

The cop will get another job at another department. Wind up arresting the same kid 5 years from now for something idiotic.

 

[manny78]

This is a stupid dumbass cop that will cost the taxpayers $10million in a settlement.

I'd like you to explain me how this kid will get 10million, I mean he's still able to walk, work, talk, think. He still has all his teeth and eyes. I remember here 4 years ago a native wa beaten ever worse than this dumbfuck and he got a nice 50K$. Thats it.

 

[FLASHMAN1]

Like I've said before.....

..... It is very likely that this kid DID in fact assault at least one officer, because the Co. Sherriffs made the traffic stop, then called for backup from Inglewood because the kid was unruly and allegedly attempted to assault a deputy. That much is documented. Since Inglewood cops were second on scene, odds are they walked into the fight, which more than likely is where that one cop got the gash on his head.

IMO, once the kid was restrained, (in cuffs, and no longer fighting), the cop was wrong to hit him (by LAW). Did the kid DESERVE a smack in the mouth??? Probably, but as I've said MANY times, justice and the law are sometimes two very different animals. Bottom line, this cop was stupid at best for doing it in broad daylight in a gas station parking lot...

Also, someone said that the cops would be fired. That is incorrect. There is only one cop on the hot seat here, and that's the one that hit him. If you watch the video, you can clearly see the other cops trying to stop him from doing further damage to the kid. So, IF anyone is fired, it'll only be that one cop. Now, because of the mayor's statements, the police union already has enough evidence to go to arbitration IF the officer is fired, because the mayor is trying him in the court of public opinion. At absolute worst, he has a case against the city for slandering him before being officialy charged with or convicted of anything.

Odds are, he'll end up in an anger management class, possibly one year's departmental probation, and spend 6 months behind a desk, but I'll be VERY surprised if he's fired. However, if I were him, once the case is over and done with, I'd move away from the area and go to another department, because the mayor WILL be looking for a reason to pork him if he sticks around.

One thing society has to understand is that these people (cops) in general, are human, and they experience all of the same emotional ticks as we do. Rage, sorrow, etc. This is a pretty clear case of a cop who very visibly upset, probably a little damaged ego-wise, because from the looks of the cut on his head, took a pretty good shot from this kid, and he freaked out and gave the kid a smack. Nothing more, nothing less. Likening this incident to the Rodney King incident, like the attorney for this kid is trying to do, is laffable at best. Should the cop be punished for his behavior??? Yes, but not to the extent that some say, and certianly not to the extent that the mayor says.

When I was about 15, I got caught smoking weed by this cop who was well-known as the biggest prick around. He gave me and my friend a choice, arrest us and call our parents and send us through the system, or take a beating, and tell our parents that we got in a fight with some other kids. Needless to say , we chose the beating, and he gave it to us pretty good... I'm not saying it was right, but we understood the lesson, without having the court to teach it to us.

I'll end with this, when a cop pulls you over, don't talk shit, don't be a smart ass, be cordial, call him sir, be decent, don't try to run away, and most of all, DON'T SWING ON THEM!!!!! People are crybabies nowadays, and as I stated previously, that's why I left law enforcement behind, because I think that if you swing on a cop, you should expect a beating, or at least a smack in the chops.....

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

I didn't read anyones reply, but I will tell you how I feel about all of this.......... This is the GREATEST thing that could have happened to the kid and his family. 1) He will be coming up on tons of money 2) He will be seen as a hero throughout los angeles 3) He will now know not to EVER fuck with authority or he will be put in his place, this will keep him out of trouble, and hopefully he will grow up to be a productive member of society. Whether the cop was right or wrong is irrelevant. What's relevant is that this is the single greatest thing to have had happened to the kid and his family. I wish it was my little brother who got beat down by the cops like that.

 

[Natymike]

They just showed their lawyer speaking, he was surrounded by 30-40 Affrican Americans, not one white representative.

I knew this would turn into a race issue, the NAACP in Austin commented on is, saying that Austin needs more black police officers in black neighborhoods.

From the video I saw, there WAS a black officer in the middle of everything.

 

[the nature boy]

Re: Like I've said before.....

One thing society has to understand is that these people (cops) in general, are human, and they experience all of the same emotional ticks as we do. Rage, sorrow, etc.

true, BUT, when one is in a position of authority and power, I think a higher standard should be applied. And I'm sure that's true especially with older cops. But a cop like this guy, I'm sure he's done it before, and I'm sure he'll do it again. This kind of behavior just doesn't spring up out of nowhere, it's probably part of his personality.

And in the end it's the everyday taxpayer that has to pay for his mistakes.

 

[FLASHMAN1]

update...

well, my view has changed slightly. A partial police report has been issued that was written before any of the officers knew there was a videotape admits that he punched the kid and said that the reason for the punch in the face is that the kid, while handcuffed, grabbed and squeezed the cop's testicles. If that is true, (it can't be seen on the video because of the camera's placement) then the punch WAS DEFINITELY warranted.

Now, let's all try to remember that this IS NOT a racial issue, but because this kid was black, this is national news. If this kid had been white, and in the same circumstances, this story would've barely even made the police log in the local newspaper, nevermind local news. Now we've got Al Sharpton and Johnnie Cochran, and they're going to turn this thing into a fucking circus.

If it's true that the kid grabbed the guy by his balls, he certianly deserved the whack...

 

[GinNJuice]

So, Chesty,

I heard that a second policeman was indited on submitting a false police report???????

 

[the nature boy]

bwhahahhahaahaahhahahaa. I'd like to hear his response.

 

[GinNJuice]

So, Chesty,

I heard that a second policeman was indited on submitting a false police report???????

Bump for Chesty

 

[GinNJuice]

So, Chesty,

I heard that a second policeman was indited on submitting a false police report???????

Knock... Knock..... Chesty..... are you home?

 

[the nature boy]

knock knock on that kids head.

 

[Prometheus]

the guy put up a fight that required 4 cops to subdue him and left at least one cop bloodied.

when the "slammer" cop tried to move him to the car, the guy pulled his legs up, forcing the cop to PICK UP the guy and put him on the hood. to do that with the care and tenderness you people seem to expect is not that easy. maybe he should have put a pillow on the trunk for the felon to rest his weary head upon.

when the guy was bent over, he grabbed the cop's balls. maybe he was just playing nice, I don't know. there are many on these boards more expert than I on the subject. but a reasonable man can see how such a thing might anger a bloodied and abused cop just a bit.

 

[the nature boy]

then why did that one officer lie on his police report? he would have gotten away with it to if it wasn't for that tape. Nothing like a fucking crooked cop. It's worse than a criminal IMO. And crooked cops should be treated worse than cirminals.

 

[Prometheus]

I don't know about the report, or what has been alleged -- but the failure of the media and politicians to release the entire tape should immediately raise suspicions about the incident.

I am certainly no fan of cops, but there has surely been a significant amount of political pressure to file some charges here, independent of justice or truth.

I doubt any man on this board would have acted differently in that situation - but if a couple of cops have to be destroyed for the greater good, to placate the people and avoid another rodney king or Cincinnatti riot, then maybe it is worth it, I don't know...

 

[Latimer]

I doubt any man on this board would have acted differently in that situation - but if a couple of cops have to be destroyed for the greater good, to placate the people and avoid another rodney king or Cincinnatti riot, then maybe it is worth it, I don't know...

That's what everyone is so afraid of. I say that's the reason we have a National Guard. They should've just smoked everyone when the Rodney King riots broke out. I hope these people have enough sense not to convict innocent cops.

 

[the nature boy]

this kid got his ass kicked before the footage was taken. This shit happens all the time.

 

[GinNJuice]

So, Chesty,

I heard that a second policeman was indited on submitting a false police report???????

Another bump for Chesty

 

[the nature boy]

maybe he's dodging, because he's been posting on other threads.

 

[chesty]

I am not dodging nothing. I heard the second one got charged with filing a false police report. But that too may well be a smokescreen for the politicians.

Notice how since they have released the surveilance tape showing the poor innocent mentally challanged youth fighting the cops violently, that Connie Dung, the Mayor, Sharpton and others have shut up their mouths? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm? I wonder why?

I hope the officers sue the fucking piss out of the media, the city and sharpton and others for defamation, ruining his career, and painting them as black haters, etc.

I stand by my opinions and say let the court decide.

But it is funny that the libs are suddenly quiet as well as the kid, his father, and the dude who made the edited video tape.

 

[GinNJuice]

I'm glad you finally posted. ....conspiracy against the poor little police officer huh?

The family and the video guy are quiet because of the lawsuit that is coming.

 

[chesty]

Yeah, it could very well be. There quiet cause there boat is sinking. Funny too how the media has not played and played the new video. Hmmmmmmmmm? Why? Why? Why?

 

[GinNJuice]

Yeah, it could very well be. There quiet cause there boat is sinking. Funny too how the media has not played and played the new video. Hmmmmmmmmm? Why? Why? Why?

Have you seen it? 'Cause I have not..... so I don't know what you are talking about.

If there is not much difference from the original, then I assume that the media doesn't want to replay the same stuff again, but again, I don't know what's on this "NEW" video.

 

[chesty]

It is the gas station surveilance video and it shows our little heroin, trying to whoop up on the cops. What little I have gotten from the news confirms this. I have been looking for it but haven't seen it yet.

The only thing they (media) will say really is that it is the fuzzy video or something like that. It was released though, that much I do know.