Police beating in Irvine CA

[RyanH]

Re: Re: Re: well, now that I've watched the video...

From that standpoint, I agree w/you. The only thing that we (the general public) have to understand, is that police officers are still human, and one incident like this does not necessarily make this guy a bad cop. He obviously got hit pretty hard himself from the looks of the cut on his own head, and because of that he lost his cool. For this, he deserves a suspension, but he certianly doesn't (IMO) deserve to be fired...

I don't think this battery makes the cop a "bad" person, but I do believe it makes him a "bad" cop. While the officer should have the capacity to defend himself just as any other citizen should, do we want a cop policing others for battery, when he is guilty of battery himself.

 

[chesty]

I am amazed at all of the armchair cops here. I for one can tell yo that a person in cuffs can be quite deadly. How many of you have restrained an indivdiual hell bent on fighting? In cuffs? I thought not. That kid got whooped on because he was fighting, period. Also, How is it racist when black cops were helping to subdue him?

BTW, cameras are all over the stations and jails. They are to protect the cops. Wait till the dashboard cams are reviewed in this situation.

 

[FLASHMAN1]

Re: Re: Re: Re: well, now that I've watched the video...

I don't think this battery makes the cop a "bad" person, but I do believe it makes him a "bad" cop. While the officer should have the capacity to defend himself just as any other citizen should, do we want a cop policing others for battery, when he is guilty of battery himself.

Well, let's look at it from the liberal-defense-attorney point of view. To do that, of course, we'll have to take into account the officer's mental state at that very moment, how the planets were aligned, if his gloves fit correctly, and whether or not he was fighting with his wife that morning. Only then can we MAYBE say whether or not the officer can be held accountable for his actions...lol

Seriously, though, I do believe, as stated earlier, that a stiff suspension is warranted for his second action (the punch). However, assault and battery, even if convicted, is still a misdemeanor, which does not exclude ANYONE from being (or remaining) a police officer. The only Misdemeanor that if convicted carries felony penalties (at least in my state) is DOMESTIC battery, which clearly this was not.

Ryan, the guy was out of line for the punch, yes, but he should not be permanently punished, (i.e. having his livelihood taken from him) for one transgression. Let us not forget that this is a misdemeanor battery, at best, and that's IF they can show that there was no previous struggle on the part of the kid who was 'assaulted'. Juries tend to look not-so-favorably upon people who assault police and may very well acquit the officer, IF HE'S EVEN OFFICIALLY CHARGED.... which has not happened as of yet. He has been put on administtrative leave, (with pay) pending the investigation, which is a formality and happens in most departments when something like this happens.....

 

[the nature boy]

yeah I don't think this was a racially motivated thing in this case, because there was a black cop assisting when the dude got punched in the fact.

 

[RyanH]

Chesty--
What sort of specialized expertise is needed in determining whether a suspect poses a sufficient threat, in handcuffs, to warrant being punched in the face?

I think you are construing the attack on this particular officer as an attack on ALL officers. You shouldn't do that. We all know that the vast majority of cops aren't rogue cops who abuse their positions but, instead, are cops that sacrifice life and limb for the average citizen.

But, as in every barrel, there are always a few bad apples.

And well, this is just another bad apple.

 

[Y_lifter]

Re: Re: well, now that I've watched the video...

Originally posted by RyanH
I don't believe cops ought to be held to a higher standard. They should simply be held to the standard as any citizen is held to when defending him/herself. That standard is "reasonable force", and punching a suspect after putting him into handcuffs is unreasonable.

Actually Police should be held to a Higher standard IMO because of one thing they have that the average citi doesn't..

TRAINING..

Training to realize a situation is GETTING out of control and as barny fife would say "nip it in the bud" by gaining control with verbal, physical or numerical superiority. Calling for backup as was done instead of just rushing in and shooting the dude dead.

Training to control and put safely into custody someone and keep under control as best they can their social ideas and pride.

 

[FLASHMAN1]

I am amazed at all of the armchair cops here. I for one can tell yo that a person in cuffs can be quite deadly. How many of you have restrained an indivdiual hell bent on fighting? In cuffs? I thought not. That kid got whooped on because he was fighting, period. Also, How is it racist when black cops were helping to subdue him?

BTW, cameras are all over the stations and jails. They are to protect the cops. Wait till the dashboard cams are reviewed in this situation.

Well, to answer part of your question, I HAVE restrained MANY a fighting suspect, but if you watch the video closely, the kid was leaned way too far foreward and pushed down on the car when he got punched. I'm not saying he didn't DESERVE to get smacked, and I think he deserved to get smashed on the car. But to allege that at that point he was still dangerous does more harm than good to this cop's case. COULD someone in handcuffs still be dangerous??? yes, of course, but because of the position he was placed in at that point, that is not the case here....

 

[Natymike]

I am amazed at all of the armchair cops here. I for one can tell yo that a person in cuffs can be quite deadly. How many of you have restrained an indivdiual hell bent on fighting? In cuffs? I thought not. That kid got whooped on because he was fighting, period. Also, How is it racist when black cops were helping to subdue him?

BTW, cameras are all over the stations and jails. They are to protect the cops. Wait till the dashboard cams are reviewed in this situation.

I'm well aware that someone can be deadly in cuffs, but that doesn't justify slamming him and punching him when he is doing nothing, you can't deny what the film is showing chesty. The dude is not "hell bent on fighting", this is obvious.

 

[chesty]

How do you know the punch was unwarranted? I had a drunk in cuffs once who damn near bit a chunk out of my leg and he was cuffed. You see it is all relative and unless you were there prior to the video and afterwards, you cannot say what is warranted and what is not.

 

[Burning_Inside]

from the article i read in my local paper, it said nothing about the kid lunging at the cops. I've read interviews from a bunch of people who reviewed the tape and they said the officer's actions were despicable. The 16 year old kid had some kind of learning and growwth disability too. I've never read anything yet that said the kid attacked the officer. Even if he only mouthed off, that's no reason for the fuck to do what he did, I hope he gets his ass beat. If it's one thing I simpy cannot stand in this world is abusive police.