supernav, YES combining Liporexin with Trex will create the Perfect Storm in terms of a fat burning environment. That's what I just started with my Neurogenex and I am bulking and eating like an idiot. My pants are exactly the same, very rare which is why I have bulking pants and regular pants LOL, and I am up 5 pounds in a week. I am not finished by any means but I think I have found the best way to bulk using the two while bulking.