Please help!!!!!

[New Jack]

Hi guys I'm new here. This is my first message. I need help bad. I am a 6' 195 lbs. 21 year old. When I was 18-19 I used a 4 week (100 pills)cycle of white dbol pills. I pyramided them 2,4,6,4 for for weeks. 3 months later that year I did another 4 week cycle(112 pills this time). A month later I did 3 cc's of Sus250 (1 cc/ week for 3 weeks). In that time I used no anti-estrogen or Clomid. I went from 160 to 190 in a year.

I have not taken a steroid in 2 years. I now have 250 pink dbol pills that I plan on doing an 8 week cycle (2,4,6,4,2,4,6,4 pyramid style). I plan on just doing this one cycle only to get myself started again and than call it quits on the gear. I am also gonna use Creatine, Glutamine, Weightgainer,Whey Protein, Ultimate Orange, and a multi vitamin in addition to the dbol. I will be lifting on a 2 day week powerlifting schedule.

Now, I have some questions that I am begging for you guys to please answer...

The 2 question's I am MOST concerned with...

1) When I first used the white dbol pills I NEVER used an anti estrogen or Clomid. I was depressed and my gains went down when I stopped but I didn't really notice any gyno. Should I have used those products with my cycle? And more importantly, will I have any complications physically seeing I didn't use those? (bitch tits, shutdown testosterone production?)

2) This I am worried about. I am about to start that 250 pink dbol cycle I was telling you about above. I have no access to Clomid or any anti-estrogen. Should I still do this cycle? Will there be any complications seeing I cant use Clomid or anti estrogen? Will they be permanent? Will I be able to produce testosterone naturally when I get off this cycle? Will my testosterone/estrogen levels return to normal when I get off? How long will that take? Will I get bitch tits? Is this 250 (5 mg) pill cycle that mild where it wouldn't even matter if I didn't use it?

I know those were long winded but I need help...
Also...

3) Are the pink 5- sided 5mg dbols as good as the whites?

4) How much weight and strength will I gain with this cycle?

5) If I were ever caught with these what would the law penalty be?

6) If I use the dbol with the other supplements that I mentioned, what will happen? Is it a waste? Unhealthy? Should I use the Creatine AFTER my cycle instead of during? I usually cycle Creatine too (2 months on, 1 off).

7) Even if I don't use Clomid or anti estrogens, will I keep alot of my gains if I still lift hard after my cycle is finished?

Please. I would appreciate it if you guys could please answer these questions for me. Thank you.

 

[sirperry1]

The search engine will help you out alot. I wouldn't do d-bol with out some anti-e's. You may grow hard lumps.

 

[J-Ro]

I think the whites d-bols are naposims and the pink are thai anabol. As for which is better, some like one or the other better, but they are both 5mg. You should defintely use clomid and an anti-estrogen like nolva. Also, don't pyramid the d-bol, start high, and if you like taper at the end. Lastly, you could greatly improve you gains and solidify them more if you stacked an injectible like test.

 

[Zyglamail]

5) If I were ever caught with these what would the law penalty be?

this depends on where ya live, if your in the US, your damn right they can penalize you.

7) Even if I don't use Clomid or anti estrogens, will I keep alot of my gains if I still lift hard after my cycle is finished?

The anti-e's should be on hand to fight sides should they appear, bloating, gyno etc. Clomid can be used during cycle as an anti-e, but there are many to choose from. Clomid post cycle is to KEEP your gains. During cycle your bodies natural test production get reduced or stopped all together and clomid jump starts the process. Not using clomid is why you likely lost a good portion of your gains.

 

[Willyumyum]

ttokkyo d-bols are also pink... does naposim = russian d-bol? case i know the russians are white too... I have some russian d-bol
YUM

 

[ThunderGod66]

I was also wondering...how long does it take (estimated) for your testosterone levels to return to normal (if ever) after using gear (such as Testosterone Suspension and Enanthate) without taking clomid or HCG?
I ran a search, but I couldn't find anything

 

[Willyumyum]

why would you not take clomid? It helps keep your gains after a cycle... imo it's a necessity after any cycle
YUM

 

[New Jack]

Thank you!

You guys have been very helpful. However, unfortunatly, I am still going to have to do this dbol cycle with no clomid or anti e.

It seems to me that you guys are saying without this stuff I will 1) Have my natural testosterone production permanantly stopped. and 2) Get bitch tiits and 3) Lose ALL of my gains.

Is this correct?

 

[Willyumyum]

dude... save the gear till you get clomid... you wont necessarily get bitch tits and yo udefenitely ownt lose your natural test production forever without clomid, but losing your gains is likely without clomid.. Just wait, it's stupid to be impatient and start your cycle and waste the gear...
YUM

 

[New Jack]

Hey Willyum....

So your telling me that after I stop this dbol cycle my natural testosterone production will go back to working 100% normal, guarunteed? How long before it starts working normal again after I stop? 2 weeks? 2 months? A year?

 

[the mechanic]

dude... save the gear till you get clomid... you wont necessarily get bitch tits and yo udefenitely ownt lose your natural test production forever without clomid, but losing your gains is likely without clomid.. Just wait, it's stupid to be impatient and start your cycle and waste the gear...
YUM

Yep !

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Go to your doctor and tell him your plans and get blood tests. An 8 week cycle will most definetly inhibit natural test. production and I would not do it without clomid. I also would drop the pyramid dosing and do tw0 four week cycles with 8 weeks in between using clomid. With the blood tests you will be able to tell exactly where you stand before during and after your cycle and it will put your mind at peace in the future- its worth it.

 

[New Jack]

AnabolicDiabetic...

So you're telling me if I do this 8 week cycle of dbol my natural testosterone production will NEVER be the same. I will never produce real testosterone again? Is that true?

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

No that's not what I said- go to a doctor, please

 

[TxLonghorn]

Re: AnabolicDiabetic...

So you're telling me if I do this 8 week cycle of dbol my natural testosterone production will NEVER be the same. I will never produce real testosterone again? Is that true?

Dammit man, do some fucking research. Get off your ass and read....anything!

You would take someone's word, who for all you know is some 8 year old girl who likes to play with Barbie dolls, on your hormonal system and the addition of exogenous androgens?

Damn, not only should somebody take away all your gear, they should force you to go to school and be educated to at least a reasonable level.

 

[New Jack]

Wow

You didn't have to be rude. I was just asking for help. relax buddy.

 

[tdekeyser]

New Jack,

Maybe I can clear some of this up.

1) Taking anti-e's will reduce your side effects on that cycle. Not taking them increases the risk, but you may have no sides anyways. Some sides are dangerous and should not be left to chance

2) Taking clomid post cycle will help you keep your gains, and restart your own test production. Without it, you will lose more of your gains, but not all of them. Also without it, your own test production will return to normal in around 5-12 weeks (probably more), and with clomid it could be right back to normal very quickly.

3) What we will tell you is that you can much better and safley benefit from taking the advice of the knowledgeable members. Save the cycle and get the rest of your stuff. Happy growing.....

It sounds like your in a hurry, so tell us why....

 

[TxLonghorn]

Re: Wow

You didn't have to be rude. I was just asking for help. relax buddy.

Hmmm, you are the dude that is asking all kinds of silly questions, wasting not only my time, but your own, and yet I was being rude because I asked you to educate yourself? You didn't care for the tone of the message? I didn't care for your attitude after poster after poster gave you answers. I was helping you. Or trying to. No use in talking to someone who only has ears for the answer they want to hear.

How about this...Dude, you'll get huge off a dbol only stack. No clomid? No problem. All these guys talkin' bout clomid don't know diddly. Do the dbol, get huge, and keep all your gains without clomid. You can do it, man! Lift hard, and get hyooge!!!!!!!

See ya in the Swole room!

 

[New Jack]

I'll tell you why...

tdekeyser, first off I would like to thank you very much for being respectful. I appreciate it man really. The reason I am in a rush is because I have 250 pink dbols and I'm all pumped up to get back into it. I'm pretty decent sized as it is I just want to get back into it. I have no access to clomid.

As I understand it should take no more than 6 months to get my natural testosterone production back to normal. Is this true? Is it possible after my 8 week dbol cycle that I would (without clomid) get my natural test production back to normal alot sooner than that?

 

[DocTodd]

Re: I'll tell you why...

As I understand it should take no more than 6 months to get my natural testosterone production back to normal. Is this true? Is it possible after my 8 week dbol cycle that I would (without clomid) get my natural test production back to normal alot sooner than that?

no