PLEASE Critique my first Cycle!!!

[JuiceNewbie]

PLEASE Critique my first Cycle!!!

Hey guys,

I am 22 and have been lifting seriously for almost 5 years. I am 5'10'' and 210 lbs. My bodyfat is a bit high 13-15% but oh well it's winter and cold. I have been lurking on the board and have searched thoroughly before making my 1st post. This will be the start of hopefully many successful cycles.

I will be using 25G, 1" pins.

Week 1: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Cyp or Test Enanth @ 500mg/week
Day 1: Frontload 300 mg of test two x a day Day 4: 250 mg of Test twice a week

Week 2: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 3: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 4: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 5: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 6: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 7: Tren @ 50mg/day

Week 8: Tren @ 50mg/day

Three Days after Last Shot: 300mg of clomid in 3 divided doses. Then 100 mg/day for 10 days. Then 50 mg/day for 14 days.

Any comments? Nolva? thanks guys

 

[stonecold54]

welcome to the board, the first cycle is always the best. I am not sure I would probably use the test for at least eight weeks but being that it is your first cycle it is not a necessity, you will gain nicely off the tren and test as long as you eat well, I assume you will be running novaldex or ldex throughout. I would really run an anti-e no fun in finding out if you are suseptible to gyno by getting it. good luck with it though, sounds solid and I envy first timers

 

[gilly6993]

I would run the test for 8 weeks and being as it's your first cycle I don't think you need to frontload.....start the tren at week three and run it to week 10, then clomid week 11....as it's your first cycle you may be able to get away with 75 EOD.....

Weeks 1-8 500 mg test
Weeks 3-10 50 mg Tren ED or 75 EOD, whichever you prefer......

....definately an anti-e....preferably liquidex

 

[40butpumpin]

I'd stop the tren at week 6 instead of the test and carry the test an additional two weeks after you stop the tren. I guess the opposite of what you've got there. I'd definitely go with dex or ldex for the test. I don't know, you may not need it but I'd have it on hand in case you do. I take it at the first sign of any bloat. A little goes a long way, I take 0.25mg ed and does wonders for me. I'd also get some HCG and take it for two solid weeks at 500iu ed before you start the clomid.

IMO, however, that's a pretty kick-ass cycle for a first one. I realize there's a lot of debate about light vs. heavy cycles and length of time on. I personally always take the conservative route and test the waters first before jumping in that heavy.

For example, why not do a tren only cycle for the first time. I'd even suggest less weeks, like the following:

tren 50mg ed for 4 weeks.

*OR*

enanthate 500mg ed for 6 weeks with the front load strategy you've stated.

Stay consistent in the gym and work real hard while in there, eat like a horse and get enough rest and you'll do very well on either of these. You also be smarter for it, and healthier.

Man you really need to approach this stuff carefully and conservatively. Any knowledge and experience worth a damn is best attained with this approach.

 

[JuiceNewbie]

Thanks guys...

I got the idea for stopping the test from Realgain's post "Newbie Don't be Afraid of Tren". Continuing the tren for 2 weeks after the test, I was hoping to drop some off the test water bloat and continue building lean mass with the tren.

Gilly6993- Good point on the frontload, I won't do it as it is my 1st cycle.

I think since it is my first cycle I may just go with the 75mg eod injections until I get used to it.

40-I will go with the ldex for the test. I was planning on trying to start heavy due to the premise that one's 1st cycle is always the most potent due to receptor's being fresh.

I agree on the conservative side though. I would like to obviously grow as much as possible on as low doses and be in this game for a long time. I am debating on whether 375 -400mg/test a week will be ok.

 

[40butpumpin]

8 weeks is a long time on tren, bro, IMO. Some may not agree but I feel that tren has a potent pshychological aspect to it. I mean it effects you psychologically as well as physically right at the CNS. I'm not saying it's permanent, but it can be substantial and should not be taken lightly. On tren I think you're better off getting in and out fast for that reason. Shooting for 8 weeks on tren for a first timer is not a good idea IMO. Hey, for what it's worth, bro. Good luck with it whatever you decide.

 

[SmooThy5464]

i would prob. run the test for a good 8-10wks. Seeing how it usually starts kickin in for me around week 5 or so therefore, 6 weeks isnt long enough. i would prob put the tren at the end of the cycle, running maybe dbol through the first few weeks goodluck...

 

[Realgains]

Re: PLEASE Critique my first Cycle!!!

Hey guys,

I am 22 and have been lifting seriously for almost 5 years. I am 5'10'' and 210 lbs. My bodyfat is a bit high 13-15% but oh well it's winter and cold. I have been lurking on the board and have searched thoroughly before making my 1st post. This will be the start of hopefully many successful cycles.

I will be using 25G, 1" pins.

Week 1: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Cyp or Test Enanth @ 500mg/week
Day 1: Frontload 300 mg of test two x a day Day 4: 250 mg of Test twice a week

Week 2: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 3: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 4: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 5: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 6: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 7: Tren @ 50mg/day

Week 8: Tren @ 50mg/day

Three Days after Last Shot: 300mg of clomid in 3 divided doses. Then 100 mg/day for 10 days. Then 50 mg/day for 14 days.

Any comments? Nolva? thanks guys

You will do fine bro. Looks like you have done some home work.
I understand 40 butpumpin's concern about the CNS issue but it isn't that much of an issue with most men at this dose IMHO.

This is a strong beginners cycle but not as potentially troublesome as the commonly recommended test/d-bol stack.

The test/tren combo is really good for mass and strength but expect a good deal of acne, some bloat and some hair loss if you are prone to male pattern baldness. You may want to try topical spironolactone.
Also this combo has really messed with my lipid profile so avoid saturated fat, consume plenty of omega3 and 6 oils and do some moderate cardio. You may want to try non flush niacin at 1500mg per day.
It would aslo be good to come clean with your doc and have him monitor you.

Tren is a very strong androgen and as such we don't need much each day but it is not as potentially dangerous as d-bol or even winstrol IMHO as long as you don't take large doses of the stuff.

You are going to have to learn to be comfortable injecting in various spots througout the body due to the frequency of injection. If you stick to the upper outer glute area you are going to get very sore after about 4 weeks. So alternate upper/outer glutes with mid lateral thigh. You can also do traps but I do not recommend pec , bicep, tricep or calf injections for you yet.
For the trap injection go into the middle trap area and be sure to aspirate well in case you are in a vein. Its actually a very good area to inject although not commonly used.
Don't ever inject more than a cc in the smaller areas like traps...better yet inject half a cc at a time perhaps doing 25mg worth in one trao and another 25 in the other trap. I don't even like more than a cc in the lateral mid thigh personally.

Have nolva on hand and if the nipples get even slightly tender hit the nolva. If you don't have any Nolva then clomid will do fine at 50mg per day for gyno protection.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Oh...I would also recommend some HCG before you end the cycle...see my post on HCG.

RG

 

[bigerisbetter]

Looks good but I would definetly run the test for at least 8 weeks. What kind of test are You using. You may have trouble with 25gauge pins sucking up the test. Also sounds like you have some meat on your bones so you may want to use 1.5in pins. good luck with the gains

 

[hippedy hop]

I would run the test for 8 weeks and being as it's your first cycle I don't think you need to frontload.....start the tren at week three and run it to week 10, then clomid week 11....as it's your first cycle you may be able to get away with 75 EOD.....

Weeks 1-8 500 mg test
Weeks 3-10 50 mg Tren ED or 75 EOD, whichever you prefer......

....definately an anti-e....preferably liquidex

test and tren for his first cycle !!! outstanding!

 

[gilly6993]

test and tren for his first cycle !!! outstanding!

yoy're obviously a bigger moron than I thought....there's nothing wrong with test and tren as a first cycle.....

 

[CanadianBro]

What are your goals with this cycle and steroids in general?

As RealGains stated, this is a STRONG yet acceptable first cycle.
Be sure to keep some Nolvadex as well as Liquidex/Arimidex on hand in case the nipples become sensitive or the bloating becomes a problem.

Otherwise, train hard, eat hard and enjoy. You WILL gain A LOT of mass and maybe even shed some fat (if you eat clean)

 

[hippedy hop]

yoy're obviously a bigger moron than I thought....there's nothing wrong with test and tren as a first cycle.....

for the first cycle? it's obvious that you are just as dumb as when you first starting posting including your first cycle of a- bombs!

 

[bmit]

Can't really recommend tren for a 1st cycle. But if you are going to use it, do 75mg/eod. Run your test for 8 wks and tren for the the first six. If you end cycle w/tren it seems very hard to get natural test going again. You might be shut down for awhile. Steroids are fun, but being shut down post cycle is as bad as it gets. You will go from a pumped up bad ass mofo to a clomid eating bizatch. You should use HCG, while waiting for test to clear. 500iu/ed-1000iu/ed for 10-14 days. Wait three days and hit clomid. The worst part is post cycle so: hit HCG and clomid, don't end with tren or run it more than 6 wks, keep calories high and reduce workout volume and you will keep most of your gains. Good luck, all the info you need is on this board.

 

[FatChops]

Re: PLEASE Critique my first Cycle!!!

Hey guys,

I am 22 and have been lifting seriously for almost 5 years. I am 5'10'' and 210 lbs. My bodyfat is a bit high 13-15% but oh well it's winter and cold. I have been lurking on the board and have searched thoroughly before making my 1st post. This will be the start of hopefully many successful cycles.

I will be using 25G, 1" pins.

Week 1: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Cyp or Test Enanth @ 500mg/week
Day 1: Frontload 300 mg of test two x a day Day 4: 250 mg of Test twice a week

Week 2: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 3: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 4: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 5: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 6: Tren @ 50mg/day and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 7: Tren @ 50mg/day

Week 8: Tren @ 50mg/day

Three Days after Last Shot: 300mg of clomid in 3 divided doses. Then 100 mg/day for 10 days. Then 50 mg/day for 14 days.

Any comments? Nolva? thanks guys

I did the same cycle but I had EQ to the equation. I would run the Test for 10 weeks because it doesn't kick in for at least until week 4. What I did was start the tren in week one so because I didn't want to crash too hard running the Tren at the end of the cycle. No need to frontload dogg.
I would do
Test @ 500mg/wk 1-10
Tren @ 50mg/ed wk 3-8

That will make u keep your tren gains easier and you might not crash has hard and you will still have test in your system when u get off the Tren. Good luck

 

[Surgical]

Welcome aboard. Finally, someone that actually READ the board before making a post, lol.

Looks good to me bro. You're gonna like that cycle.

 

[JuiceNewbie]

Thanks guys for all your input....

My goals for lifting and steroids are obviously to get as big and cut as possible but I am shooting for 235 at about 7-8% on a small frame as a end of the road goal.

I have been lifting for since high school and have spent the last 5 years-training, researching, eating, adn eating some more. I have gone from 135-210lbs with eating until puke and 1 gallon of skim milk a day.

I think I am going to run it like this:

Week 1: test 1-8 @ 500mg (Test En.)
Week 2: Tren 1-6 @ either 50mg/day or 75mg/EOD

I'm leaning towards 75mg/EOD until I become better at injecting.

Also I'll make sure to keep some Nolva/Ldex on hand as well as 500iu's of HCG for 10 days in the middle and last 2 weeks.

 

[JuiceNewbie]

Oh yeah...I forgot to add I am a little leery as to running the test any longer than 8 weeks. My hair is naturally thin as is. I'm going to have to start looking into topical spironolactone. I have also read alot about Biotin's effect on hair regrowth.

 

[icelandic]

This is a strong beginners cycle but not as potentially troublesome as the commonly recommended test/d-bol stack.

Hey bro, whats so bad about good ole test/dbol? A long as a strong aromatase inhibitor is used and sodium intake kept low, you can't go wrong, cheap as hell also. Also throw in some r-ALA for liver protection and your all set.

 

[Realgains]

Hey bro, whats so bad about good ole test/dbol? A long as a strong aromatase inhibitor is used and sodium intake kept low, you can't go wrong, cheap as hell also. Also throw in some r-ALA for liver protection and your all set.

I just wanted people to know that the very commonly recommended newbie cycle of test/d-bol is potentially worse than test/tren.

You certainly could run a test/d-bol stack at moderate dose stopping the d-bol after week 4.

RG